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fishmike
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6/19/2008  5:30 PM
Marbury + Malik for Jermaine Oneil, Troy Murphy and pick #11. It would give them max cap space after next year.

trade Crawford for TJ Ford
trade pick 11, Balkman and Zach to the Bucks for Michael Redd

draft Joe Alexander #6

pg TJ Ford /Nate
sg Redd / Q
sf Alexander / Chander
pf Lee / Murphy
c Jermaine / Curry

There's my 10
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6/19/2008  6:02 PM
i'd do it.

if I could target two guys who I think we can attain and would help our defense, offense and overall team play it would be jermaine o'neal and russell westbrook.
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6/19/2008  6:24 PM
Sounds like a fun team to watch, but our backcourt D would be a laughingstock. Like historic levels of atrociousness. Dont know what the cap ramifications would be.

Plus we're bringing in two question marks in O'neal and Ford concerning their health. Could be a ticking time bomb.

[Edited by - sebstar on 06-19-2008 7:07 PM]
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6/19/2008  6:25 PM
Posted by fishmike:

Marbury + Malik for Jermaine Oneil, Troy Murphy and pick #11. It would give them max cap space after next year.

trade Crawford for TJ Ford
trade pick 11, Balkman and Zach to the Bucks for Michael Redd

draft Joe Alexander #6

pg TJ Ford /Nate
sg Redd / Q
sf Alexander / Chander
pf Lee / Murphy
c Jermaine / Curry

There's my 10

Why the hell would Indiana want cap space??

Hypocrite.
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6/19/2008  6:53 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by fishmike:

Marbury + Malik for Jermaine Oneil, Troy Murphy and pick #11. It would give them max cap space after next year.

trade Crawford for TJ Ford
trade pick 11, Balkman and Zach to the Bucks for Michael Redd

draft Joe Alexander #6

pg TJ Ford /Nate
sg Redd / Q
sf Alexander / Chander
pf Lee / Murphy
c Jermaine / Curry

There's my 10

Why the hell would Indiana want cap space??

Hypocrite.

cause they are a small market team
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6/19/2008  7:25 PM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by fishmike:

Marbury + Malik for Jermaine Oneil, Troy Murphy and pick #11. It would give them max cap space after next year.

trade Crawford for TJ Ford
trade pick 11, Balkman and Zach to the Bucks for Michael Redd

draft Joe Alexander #6

pg TJ Ford /Nate
sg Redd / Q
sf Alexander / Chander
pf Lee / Murphy
c Jermaine / Curry

There's my 10

Why the hell would Indiana want cap space??

Hypocrite.

cause they are a small market team


LMFAO what big time Free Agent is going to want to play in a SMALL MARKET!!!!!!

Oh I get it they'd just cut salary so they could become more like the Memphis Grizzlies of the NBA


LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
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6/19/2008  7:39 PM
its not always about FAs. Small market owners dont like paying $60mm a year for a losing team going no where when they can pay $40mm for a team looking to rebuild. Little thing called business
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6/19/2008  7:40 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by fishmike:

Marbury + Malik for Jermaine Oneil, Troy Murphy and pick #11. It would give them max cap space after next year.

trade Crawford for TJ Ford
trade pick 11, Balkman and Zach to the Bucks for Michael Redd

draft Joe Alexander #6

pg TJ Ford /Nate
sg Redd / Q
sf Alexander / Chander
pf Lee / Murphy
c Jermaine / Curry

There's my 10

Why the hell would Indiana want cap space??

Hypocrite.
and that amigo is the difference between coming here to talk basketball and being a troll.

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6/19/2008  7:51 PM
Supposing we could do the first trade with Indiana. Maybe we could then take the 6th and 11th pick to move up to 3 or 4 and get a better player. What's most important this year is to get a very good young player in the draft.
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6/19/2008  8:02 PM
I would be very happy if that could go down. It would be a perfect combination of outside shooting (Redd, Q), dribble penetration (Ford, Nate) Hustle (Balkman, Alexander) rebounding (Lee, Murphy) and low post defense (JO). Curry could come in and get his 10 points a night in 25 minutes before he gets tired. Sign me up!
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6/19/2008  8:04 PM
good ideas Fish.

If the plane lands hard TJ and Jermaine could go on the DL for 2 years!

But there are no rewards without risk!
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6/19/2008  8:16 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by fishmike:

Marbury + Malik for Jermaine Oneil, Troy Murphy and pick #11. It would give them max cap space after next year.

trade Crawford for TJ Ford
trade pick 11, Balkman and Zach to the Bucks for Michael Redd

draft Joe Alexander #6

pg TJ Ford /Nate
sg Redd / Q
sf Alexander / Chander
pf Lee / Murphy
c Jermaine / Curry

There's my 10

Why the hell would Indiana want cap space??

Hypocrite.
and that amigo is the difference between coming here to talk basketball and being a troll.

Yup, just ignore the very legitimate question. Ignore the fact that you're being very hypocritical.

To sum up:

You think Cap Space is a complete waste of time when Knicks fans want it because you don't think that you can build with FA's.

But you think Cap Space is such a valuable enough proposition for another team to give up their lottery pick, when you say that draft picks are the only way to rebuild.

That's just too damn funny.

[Edited by - islesfan on 19-06-2008 8:19 PM]
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6/19/2008  8:27 PM
my God, why in the world would u wanna take on T Murph's contract for? if you want JO a trade off of Marbury's contract should be more than enough... that saves the Pacers $23 mil after next season & clears up a ton of cap space... absolutely no reason to take on T Murph in the deal unless we're unloading Zach in the process.

& for the last time the Bucks are not interested in trading Redd for Zach Randolph... the rumored deal was for Bobby Simmons & Dan Gadzuric, a deal that would have given the Knicks $10 mil in cap space in 2010 & a deal they should have jumped at if that rumor was true... instead Isiah tried to get cute & milk more assets outta the Bucks & they told him to take a hike, as they rightfully should have.

it boggles my mind how some of you can reason that cap space means so much when it comes to other teams as opposed to the Knicks, where apparently it means nothing... i guess it makes perfect sense for the Pacers to give away a #11 pick in order to unload albatross contracts like T Murph but not when it comes to the Knicks trading down 10 slots to unload Zach Randolph for cap space?... where's the logic in that? Donnie Walsh's stated mission statement has been to aim for cap flexibility in 2010... trading for guys like T Murph & Michael Redd goes against that goal... if u want Michael Redd so badly, offer up Curry & Jamal for him... that doesn't hurt our cap situation.
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6/19/2008  8:54 PM
Posted by TMS:

it boggles my mind how some of you can reason that cap space means so much when it comes to other teams as opposed to the Knicks, where apparently it means nothing... i guess it makes perfect sense for the Pacers to give away a #11 pick in order to unload albatross contracts like T Murph but not when it comes to the Knicks trading down 10 slots to unload Zach Randolph for cap space?... where's the logic in that? Donnie Walsh's stated mission statement has been to aim for cap flexibility in 2010... trading for guys like T Murph & Michael Redd goes against that goal... if u want Michael Redd so badly, offer up Curry & Jamal for him... that doesn't hurt our cap situation.

Doesn't it just boggle your mind?

Hey, at the very least now we know for sure that some of them do understand the importance of cap space. That's a start.
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6/19/2008  9:14 PM
it's time for a change of mindset... we can't keep making roster moves w/no thought at all to the longterm ramifications just to get a quick fix solution... there needs to be some tough sacrifices made now if those sacrifices will allow for a brighter future later... so what if we suck for another year or 2? i'd rather suck for 2 years so we can at least have a shot of nabbing a real franchise level guy we can build around than keep hoping guys making max contracts like Baron Davis, Michael Redd, Vince Carter, Zach Randolph, Jalen Rose, Stephon Marbury, etc., etc. are gonna be the answer when i know they aren't... land yourself a franchise guy & then all of a sudden those starphuch type acquisitions start to make sense... w/o KG the acquisition of Ray Allen woulda meant nothing to the Celtics but a meaningless 1st round exit out of the playoffs if that... unless there's a team out there that's going to trade us a KG type player the only other way we're gonna land a real franchise guy is by either sucking so badly we get lucky in the draft, or by freeing up the cap space to make a max contract offer to one when they become available... we're definitely not going to land one by continuing to take on overvalued contracts & screwing any cap flexibility we might have down the road.
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6/19/2008  10:28 PM
it only boggles your mind because its small. Small market teams cant afford to have a high payroll. We can. Small market teams cant sustain big payrolls when the are not winning and going to playoffs. Thats why small market teams with big ticket players often dump them when they arent winning. When the Pacers are selling out playoff games they can afford to pay Jermaine Oneil $20mm a year. When they are in the lottery and close to breaking even or losing the money ownership often tells the GM to cut payroll.

This is simple business. Mind boggling you cant get your head around taking advantage of it.

Oneil is a risk.. but if he's healthy he is pretty close to franchise

I can only image if the Knicks got Garnett. 31 years old, best days past him, only won one playoff series, not clutch, cost us too much, we had guys that didnt want to trade Frye for Garnett. I believe you were one of them TMS. Now suddenly its brilliant.

You get a bunch of high talent guys that want to win, you get a good coach and you take your shot. Thats all I am saying. TMS I appreciate your thoughts and that are mature enough to disagree and actually add something to the discussion. Thanks man... and I do see your points, get that first bigtime guy and then it makes more sense.

I have trust in waltoni and patience either way. Always interesting to see how fellow Knick fans feel... cheers man
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6/19/2008  10:34 PM
I can only image if the Knicks got Garnett. 31 years old, best days past him, only won one playoff series, not clutch, cost us too much, we had guys that didnt want to trade Frye for Garnett. I believe you were one of them TMS. Now suddenly its brilliant.

are you kidding me fish? i was 1 of the people ridiculing those who said they wouldn't trade Channing Frye for KG... i've always said he's the type of guy you can starphuch for cuz he's a legit cornerstone type player... go ahead & look up the past threads but there hasn't been a time that i was ever against trading Channing Frye to land a KG... in fact i was 1 of the guys making trade proposal after trade proposal to land a guy like KG & having people tell me they'd rather not make the deal.

like i said, bring in a KG & then we can start thinking about guys like Redd, etc... but until then we can't afford to ruin any chance we have of targetting any franchise guys by making these types of trades... this is why i put so much value on cap space cuz at least it gives us an option to explore... it's not the only option but it's an option nonetheless.

& i'm also putting my trust in Walsh to do what's best for this franchise... if he decides to hold onto the pick & take whoever, i'm on board w/it... if he decides to trade down to unload a contract, i'm all for it... if he wants to trade up for Mayo or Beaser, i'm down with that too... he knows a lot more than any one posting on this forum about the game & about building successful franchises so whatever he does gets the benefit of the doubt w/me.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-19-2008 7:41 PM]
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6/19/2008  11:01 PM
Posted by fishmike:

it only boggles your mind because its small. Small market teams cant afford to have a high payroll. We can. Small market teams cant sustain big payrolls when the are not winning and going to playoffs. Thats why small market teams with big ticket players often dump them when they arent winning. When the Pacers are selling out playoff games they can afford to pay Jermaine Oneil $20mm a year. When they are in the lottery and close to breaking even or losing the money ownership often tells the GM to cut payroll.

This is simple business. Mind boggling you cant get your head around taking advantage of it.

Oneil is a risk.. but if he's healthy he is pretty close to franchise

I can only image if the Knicks got Garnett. 31 years old, best days past him, only won one playoff series, not clutch, cost us too much, we had guys that didnt want to trade Frye for Garnett. I believe you were one of them TMS. Now suddenly its brilliant.

You get a bunch of high talent guys that want to win, you get a good coach and you take your shot. Thats all I am saying. TMS I appreciate your thoughts and that are mature enough to disagree and actually add something to the discussion. Thanks man... and I do see your points, get that first bigtime guy and then it makes more sense.

I have trust in waltoni and patience either way. Always interesting to see how fellow Knick fans feel... cheers man

No no, you didn't say lowering payroll. You specifically said that it would give them "max cap space". Why is "max cap space" so important and why is it so important that a rebuilding team would be willing to trade this year's lottery pick? If it were as simple as "lowering payroll", why would they trade away a lottery pick as well? That seems quite odd.

It is simple business but let's see if you can figure it out.
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6/19/2008  11:04 PM
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I can only image if the Knicks got Garnett. 31 years old, best days past him, only won one playoff series, not clutch, cost us too much, we had guys that didnt want to trade Frye for Garnett. I believe you were one of them TMS. Now suddenly its brilliant.

are you kidding me fish? i was 1 of the people ridiculing those who said they wouldn't trade Channing Frye for KG... i've always said he's the type of guy you can starphuch for cuz he's a legit cornerstone type player... go ahead & look up the past threads but there hasn't been a time that i was ever against trading Channing Frye to land a KG... in fact i was 1 of the guys making trade proposal after trade proposal to land a guy like KG & having people tell me they'd rather not make the deal.

like i said, bring in a KG & then we can start thinking about guys like Redd, etc... but until then we can't afford to ruin any chance we have of targetting any franchise guys by making these types of trades... this is why i put so much value on cap space cuz at least it gives us an option to explore... it's not the only option but it's an option nonetheless.

& i'm also putting my trust in Walsh to do what's best for this franchise... if he decides to hold onto the pick & take whoever, i'm on board w/it... if he decides to trade down to unload a contract, i'm all for it... if he wants to trade up for Mayo or Beaser, i'm down with that too... he knows a lot more than any one posting on this forum about the game & about building successful franchises so whatever he does gets the benefit of the doubt w/me.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-19-2008 7:41 PM]
ok... my bad, I believe you. I do remember a lot of people that said that.

I will admit its the Isiah mindset. The difference is the a) guy pulling trigger and b) not using picks, rather building through the draft at the same time.
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6/19/2008  11:31 PM
no worries bro.

yo, no matter if we agree or disagree on certain things at least we know we both only want what's best for this franchise... there's always more than 1 way to do something right... let's hope our trust in Walsh doesn't blow up in our faces the way it did w/Isiah.
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