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BRIGGS
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6/19/2008  10:06 AM
As we continue to work the phones to discuss with teams who they hear is going where, we first of all need to establish which prospects will be on the board. At this point it’s clear that there is a fairly significant drop-off in this year’s draft class right around the 12th (Sacramento) or 13th (Portland) pick, as all the prospects that are getting mentions have some serious “warts” in the words of one NBA executive, which make teams hesitant about drafting them. The question is which will be overlooked, and which will cause players to slip.

wow--i said the same thing? but some of the draft experts here who have a solid history dissecting the draft have concluded there was no drop off and want to draft players who will be there in round 2 just so we can give up a lottrey pick at 6 to get rid of someone we can easily just buyout.
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6/19/2008  10:28 AM
Here is my ranking and wishlist all in one:
I love and would be very happy to have:
Rose
Mayo
Beasley
Love
Westbrook
Joe Alexander

Lukewarm:
Randolph
Bayless
Lopez
Gallinari

No thanks: (I would rather trade it)
Gordon
Augustin
DeAndre Jordan
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BRIGGS
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6/19/2008  10:40 AM
Posted by fishmike:

Here is my ranking and wishlist all in one:
I love and would be very happy to have:
Rose
Mayo
Beasley
Love
Westbrook
Joe Alexander

Lukewarm:
Randolph
Bayless
Lopez
Gallinari

No thanks: (I would rather trade it)
Gordon
Augustin
DeAndre Jordan



I think there will be mistakes made on the youngest draftees. If you look back at recent history guys coming out too early get shafted--like a Gerald Wallace Josh Smith Gilbert Arenas Kobe Monta Ellis it happens every year---huge talent players who are not physically ready rarely get picked high and almost always end up being huge steals. I think that guy like Mcgee Jordon Randolph who are being sht on now will have some last laughs and many of the top teams looking for a guy who is ready NOW--just don't get it. Everything is now. I saw a few clips of Jordan in his workouts and he was really going hard he seemed improved and physically hes a top 10 pick as is Randolph--can you imagine stealing these guys later on and what happens in 2-3 years. I admit looking at Deandre during the season--he looks like a Tony Battie type upside but that is not necessarily true---these guys are just not developed mentally physically and skill wise all the way--they are not ready and they will get punished for that. but like the players I mnetioned and dozens more--the younger elite talents have had the last laugh more than not.
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6/19/2008  10:40 AM
briggs I know you love Randolph. If DW drafts him I will be very open minded. That being said after the top 6 guys I mentioned I think the drop off is considerable and I not all that interested.

I know the internet loves Bayless, and he's the next Monta Ellis, etc etc but I am hardly convinced that undersized shooting guards really win NBA games. He's also got alligator arms, which is probably why Westbrook ate him up in 1-1 play.

Rose/Mayo/Beas/Love will be gone at 6. To me that leaves Westbrook and Alexander. Both are tough guys with NBA bodies that play both ways and have real motors. Westbrook is a bigger risk IMO because his PG skills are not NBA IMO, and if he gets stuck on the bench he might be the next Marcus Banks.

Alexander reminds me a lot of Artest when he was at St Johns. I also think he will be well suited to guard the tweener PFs of the NBA on the perimeter. Your Jamison, Odom, Gooden types.
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6/19/2008  10:46 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

I think there will be mistakes made on the youngest draftees. If you look back at recent history guys coming out too early get shafted--like a Gerald Wallace Josh Smith Gilbert Arenas Kobe Monta Ellis it happens every year---huge talent players who are not physically ready rarely get picked high and almost always end up being huge steals. I think that guy like Mcgee Jordon Randolph who are being sht on now will have some last laughs and many of the top teams looking for a guy who is ready NOW--just don't get it. Everything is now. I saw a few clips of Jordan in his workouts and he was really going hard he seemed improved and physically hes a top 10 pick as is Randolph--can you imagine stealing these guys later on and what happens in 2-3 years. I admit looking at Deandre during the season--he looks like a Tony Battie type upside but that is not necessarily true---these guys are just not developed mentally physically and skill wise all the way--they are not ready and they will get punished for that. but like the players I mnetioned and dozens more--the younger elite talents have had the last laugh more than not.
I totally agree. Two types of players are missed IMO. Guys with more heart than skills and guys that are great CBB players who might not translate into NBA players... or a combo of both. Battier, Brad Miller and Boozer come to mind. Monta Ellis and Arenas have run of the mill NBA "talent" but they play with great heart.

NBA talent is hard to scout.. the best GMs have all layed their eggs. Because of the status of this team I am really focusing on guys that are intense and play intenst. Alexander and Westbrook are those two guys that will be there at 6. They probably dont have the upside or a Bayless or Randolph but this team needs heart and balls
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6/19/2008  10:47 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by fishmike:

Here is my ranking and wishlist all in one:
I love and would be very happy to have:
Rose
Mayo
Beasley
Love
Westbrook
Joe Alexander

Lukewarm:
Randolph
Bayless
Lopez
Gallinari

No thanks: (I would rather trade it)
Gordon
Augustin
DeAndre Jordan



I think there will be mistakes made on the youngest draftees. If you look back at recent history guys coming out too early get shafted--like a Gerald Wallace Josh Smith Gilbert Arenas Kobe Monta Ellis it happens every year---huge talent players who are not physically ready rarely get picked high and almost always end up being huge steals. I think that guy like Mcgee Jordon Randolph who are being sht on now will have some last laughs and many of the top teams looking for a guy who is ready NOW--just don't get it. Everything is now. I saw a few clips of Jordan in his workouts and he was really going hard he seemed improved and physically hes a top 10 pick as is Randolph--can you imagine stealing these guys later on and what happens in 2-3 years. I admit looking at Deandre during the season--he looks like a Tony Battie type upside but that is not necessarily true---these guys are just not developed mentally physically and skill wise all the way--they are not ready and they will get punished for that. but like the players I mnetioned and dozens more--the younger elite talents have had the last laugh more than not.

if you're equating randolph to josh smith/gerald wallace/etc...then there's no way in the hell the knicks draft him 6th b/c they are not in a position to take that type of gamble. josh/gerald etc were gambles, that's why they dropped. you think the knicks have the type of cajones to make that type of pick at 6? i don't think they do.
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6/19/2008  10:48 AM
Aside from the insanity of Artest, in other words pure basketball wise, the Alexander/Artest combo is the best I've seen. Alexander does have more hops though.
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6/19/2008  10:48 AM
Briggs you also said we should draft the Nevada stiff at 6 and he wont go top 20.
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6/19/2008  10:55 AM
It is a week away you put the top ten players in the draft your sleepers and bust and then we cant change. You also tell me what you think the Knicks will do.
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6/19/2008  11:00 AM
Posted by purple012870:

Aside from the insanity of Artest, in other words pure basketball wise, the Alexander/Artest combo is the best I've seen. Alexander does have more hops though.
Also Alexander has only been playing like 5 years I think. When you consider how good he his, how strong he is, how hard he works and how intense he is THIS is the guy I want at 6 hands down if the draft was held today. No white mans disease either.. the guy has sick athleticism to back up that work ethic.

I see this as a guy who is a solid bench player right away, and will really challenge Chandler, Q, Jefferies or whoever is in front of him for minutes at the 3 and even some 4.

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6/19/2008  11:17 AM
Posted by King1:

It is a week away you put the top ten players in the draft your sleepers and bust and then we cant change. You also tell me what you think the Knicks will do.

Sleeper=Randolph
Our pick=Bayless
Bust=Gordon

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 06-19-2008 11:20 AM]
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6/19/2008  11:23 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

As we continue to work the phones to discuss with teams who they hear is going where, we first of all need to establish which prospects will be on the board. At this point it’s clear that there is a fairly significant drop-off in this year’s draft class right around the 12th (Sacramento) or 13th (Portland) pick, as all the prospects that are getting mentions have some serious “warts” in the words of one NBA executive, which make teams hesitant about drafting them. The question is which will be overlooked, and which will cause players to slip.

wow--i said the same thing? but some of the draft experts here who have a solid history dissecting the draft have concluded there was no drop off and want to draft players who will be there in round 2 just so we can give up a lottrey pick at 6 to get rid of someone we can easily just buyout.



Did you keep digging or did you stop because here's what Draftexpress said in DJ's thread....


Players that might find themselves being drafted a bit lower than they hoped include DeAndre Jordan, JaVale McGee, and possibly even Anthony Randolph. If Sacramento selects Darrell Arthur at #12 like many NBA sources we spoke with anticipate (this was his last workout stop before cancelling numerous workouts), then Randolph could be in for quite a tumble, as he would likely continue to slip past Portland at #13, Golden State at #14, Phoenix at #15, until reaching Philadelphia at #16. That’s about 10 spots lower than some mocks have him projected right now, but isn’t out of the question depending on how things play out next week. Randolph is not helping himself reportedly with the way he’s working out, being very average so far according to numerous people who’ve watched him, looking “laid back” or even “out of shape.” Compounding the problem is that he may have recently hurt his shoulder.



Muwaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!!! Those people that said the draft will shape itself up where some projected Top Talents will slip are more than likely going to be correct. Which means there will be depth at pick 16. It's a cold hard fact and add to the fact the players that slip could prove to turn out to be studs.

BTW from this write it appears Randolph isn't a CAN'T MISS PLAYER AT 6.



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-19-2008 10:24 AM]
LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
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6/19/2008  11:28 AM
it also appears the Zach to Philly rumor was BS to start with, so what's the difference.

if we could take Westbrook at 6 and somehow buy a pick, maybe Phoenix at 15, and take Anthony Randolph there, i would do backflips.
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6/19/2008  11:30 AM
According to Draftexpress

Mcgee
Jordan
Gallinari
Greene
Rush
Lopez
Randolph

All could be on the board in the 13-19 range
LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
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6/19/2008  11:32 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:

According to Draftexpress

Mcgee
Jordan
Gallinari
Greene
Rush
Lopez
Randolph

All could be on the board in the 13-19 range

dang! we should call up philly and start up that trade - oh wait there never was any trade.
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6/19/2008  11:37 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:

[quote]Posted by BRIGGS:

As we continue to work the phones to discuss with teams who they hear is going where, we first of all need to establish which prospects will be on the board. At this point it’s clear that there is a fairly significant drop-off in this year’s draft class right around the 12th (Sacramento) or 13th (Portland) pick, as all the prospects that are getting mentions have some serious “warts” in the words of one NBA executive, which make teams hesitant about drafting them. The question is which will be overlooked, and which will cause players to slip.

wow--i said the same thing? but some of the draft experts here who have a solid history dissecting the draft have concluded there was no drop off and want to draft players who will be there in round 2 just so we can give up a lottrey pick at 6 to get rid of someone we can easily just buyout.



Did you keep digging or did you stop because here's what Draftexpress said in DJ's thread....


Players that might find themselves being drafted a bit lower than they hoped include DeAndre Jordan, JaVale McGee, and possibly even Anthony Randolph. If Sacramento selects Darrell Arthur at #12 like many NBA sources we spoke with anticipate (this was his last workout stop before cancelling numerous workouts), then Randolph could be in for quite a tumble, as he would likely continue to slip past Portland at #13, Golden State at #14, Phoenix at #15, until reaching Philadelphia at #16. That’s about 10 spots lower than some mocks have him projected right now, but isn’t out of the question depending on how things play out next week. Randolph is not helping himself reportedly with the way he’s working out, being very average so far according to numerous people who’ve watched him, looking “laid back” or even “out of shape.” Compounding the problem is that he may have recently hurt his shoulder.



Muwaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!!! Those people that said the draft will shape itself up where some projected Top Talents will slip are more than likely going to be correct. Which means there will be depth at pick 16. It's a cold hard fact and add to the fact the players that slip could prove to turn out to be studs.

BTW from this write it appears Randolph isn't a CAN'T MISS PLAYER AT 6.



What does that mean? I said Josh Smith should go third and he went 17--but he shouldve went third
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6/19/2008  11:48 AM
Briggs I love you but how do you have a sleeper at #6
That would be like me saying sleeper-rose our pick- Gordon bust-Trent Plaisted. I cant wait until draft night this is going to be fun
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6/19/2008  11:49 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by purple012870:

Aside from the insanity of Artest, in other words pure basketball wise, the Alexander/Artest combo is the best I've seen. Alexander does have more hops though.
Also Alexander has only been playing like 5 years I think. When you consider how good he his, how strong he is, how hard he works and how intense he is THIS is the guy I want at 6 hands down if the draft was held today. No white mans disease either.. the guy has sick athleticism to back up that work ethic.

I see this as a guy who is a solid bench player right away, and will really challenge Chandler, Q, Jefferies or whoever is in front of him for minutes at the 3 and even some 4.

If we take Alexander- I can see D'Antoni's ideal front line up being Lee, Chandler and Alexander- that would be something to get excited about.
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6/19/2008  11:50 AM
Alexander is going to be good. he minds of Granger in some ways.
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6/19/2008  11:55 AM
Posted by King1:

Briggs I love you but how do you have a sleeper at #6
That would be like me saying sleeper-rose our pick- Gordon bust-Trent Plaisted. I cant wait until draft night this is going to be fun

That is people kicking him to the curb--maybe he will be drafted in the teens but will end up a sleeper from there.

I don't know if there are sleeper picks anymore--there will be guys who go to high and guys who fall to low that will happen no doubt about it. I think Deandre Jordan the guy who has been killed the most will be drafted to low if he falls out of the teens and some of the euro players that might be higher almost always seem to adapt to the NBA like sht.

I am very nervous of picking a small guard in the top 10---as in under 6 feet for PG/combo and under 6-5 for SG. I do NOT think EG is a PG or even a combo--he is pure 2 and every night he will have to play guys who shoot right over him and on the other side he has to shoot over the defender 3-4 inches.
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