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purple012870
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6/17/2008  3:26 PM
Perhaps I am one, I don't know. But I know that:

-I don't want to piss away this pick to dump either lard-ass front court player we have.

-And I don't ever want to see Marbury as a Knick again. He can stay home until with find a trade partner for a player that has a deal < 2 years (i.e. J O'N) or stay home until his contract expires.

-Put a fitness requirement on Obese Snacks & when he fails, fine him / cut him in training camp. Maybe his expiring in a couple of years will be valuable trade wise, but we can't have that kind of poison on the team.

-Tell QBrick to come in under 250 lb & require him to jump over a Sunday NY Times before he gets to suit up.

-Get Sasha Vujajic via 2-3 year MLE.

-Use DJ's idea to dump EC w/ the # 6 for Seattle's # 4 plus Petro.
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6/17/2008  3:53 PM
Posted by purple012870:

Perhaps I am one, I don't know. But I know that:

-I don't want to piss away this pick to dump either lard-ass front court player we have.

-And I don't ever want to see Marbury as a Knick again. He can stay home until with find a trade partner for a player that has a deal < 2 years (i.e. J O'N) or stay home until his contract expires.

-Put a fitness requirement on Obese Snacks & when he fails, fine him / cut him in training camp. Maybe his expiring in a couple of years will be valuable trade wise, but we can't have that kind of poison on the team.

-Tell QBrick to come in under 250 lb & require him to jump over a Sunday NY Times before he gets to suit up.

-Get Sasha Vujajic via 2-3 year MLE.

-Use DJ's idea to dump EC w/ the # 6 for Seattle's # 4 plus Petro.

I think Eddy Curry can do well in this ssytem if given a chance--they just need to buyout Randolph to get rid of him.
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6/17/2008  3:56 PM
Buying out Randolph with 3 years and $50M left is only the dumbest thing you could possibly do.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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6/17/2008  4:01 PM
Posted by purple012870:

Perhaps I am one, I don't know. But I know that:

-I don't want to piss away this pick to dump either lard-ass front court player we have.

-And I don't ever want to see Marbury as a Knick again. He can stay home until with find a trade partner for a player that has a deal < 2 years (i.e. J O'N) or stay home until his contract expires.

-Put a fitness requirement on Obese Snacks & when he fails, fine him / cut him in training camp. Maybe his expiring in a couple of years will be valuable trade wise, but we can't have that kind of poison on the team.

-Tell QBrick to come in under 250 lb & require him to jump over a Sunday NY Times before he gets to suit up.

-Get Sasha Vujajic via 2-3 year MLE.

-Use DJ's idea to dump EC w/ the # 6 for Seattle's # 4 plus Petro.

I am in total agreement with you. I think we all are pretty much tired of speculating and can't wait till Donnie makes his first move.
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6/17/2008  4:04 PM
Posted by purple012870:

Perhaps I am one, I don't know. But I know that:

-I don't want to piss away this pick to dump either lard-ass front court player we have.

-And I don't ever want to see Marbury as a Knick again. He can stay home until with find a trade partner for a player that has a deal < 2 years (i.e. J O'N) or stay home until his contract expires.

-Put a fitness requirement on Obese Snacks & when he fails, fine him / cut him in training camp. Maybe his expiring in a couple of years will be valuable trade wise, but we can't have that kind of poison on the team.

-Tell QBrick to come in under 250 lb & require him to jump over a Sunday NY Times before he gets to suit up.

-Get Sasha Vujajic via 2-3 year MLE.

-Use DJ's idea to dump EC w/ the # 6 for Seattle's # 4 plus Petro.

isn't this the same guy that said the celtics play to rough?

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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6/17/2008  4:10 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by purple012870:

Perhaps I am one, I don't know. But I know that:

-I don't want to piss away this pick to dump either lard-ass front court player we have.

-And I don't ever want to see Marbury as a Knick again. He can stay home until with find a trade partner for a player that has a deal < 2 years (i.e. J O'N) or stay home until his contract expires.

-Put a fitness requirement on Obese Snacks & when he fails, fine him / cut him in training camp. Maybe his expiring in a couple of years will be valuable trade wise, but we can't have that kind of poison on the team.

-Tell QBrick to come in under 250 lb & require him to jump over a Sunday NY Times before he gets to suit up.

-Get Sasha Vujajic via 2-3 year MLE.

-Use DJ's idea to dump EC w/ the # 6 for Seattle's # 4 plus Petro.

I am in total agreement with you. I think we all are pretty much tired of speculating and can't wait till Donnie makes his first move.

He already has. He "reassigned" Isiah and hired a head coach whose system is destined to make the Knicks the next Denver Nuggets or Golden State Warriors at best without an MVP PG and 2 freakishly athletic all star forwards.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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6/17/2008  4:12 PM
Sasha may be trying to get a call, but that kid is BALLS. We haven't had a set of balls on this team since Spree/H20.
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6/17/2008  4:18 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Buying out Randolph with 3 years and $50M left is only the dumbest thing you could possibly do.

No it's not--it's brilliant. Trading him for pick 6 is dumb. Find a team that will sign him for 3 years 15mm and give him his 35mm--we owe him no matter what. Steve Francis took a similar buyout from Portland to go play in Houston. Zach doesnt want to behere and he would probably have 6-8 choices from which to pick.
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6/17/2008  4:23 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by purple012870:

Perhaps I am one, I don't know. But I know that:

-I don't want to piss away this pick to dump either lard-ass front court player we have.

-And I don't ever want to see Marbury as a Knick again. He can stay home until with find a trade partner for a player that has a deal < 2 years (i.e. J O'N) or stay home until his contract expires.

-Put a fitness requirement on Obese Snacks & when he fails, fine him / cut him in training camp. Maybe his expiring in a couple of years will be valuable trade wise, but we can't have that kind of poison on the team.

-Tell QBrick to come in under 250 lb & require him to jump over a Sunday NY Times before he gets to suit up.

-Get Sasha Vujajic via 2-3 year MLE.

-Use DJ's idea to dump EC w/ the # 6 for Seattle's # 4 plus Petro.

I am in total agreement with you. I think we all are pretty much tired of speculating and can't wait till Donnie makes his first move.

He already has. He "reassigned" Isiah and hired a head coach whose system is destined to make the Knicks the next Denver Nuggets or Golden State Warriors at best without an MVP PG and 2 freakishly athletic all star forwards.

Haven't heard a peep out of Isiah and D'Antoni was the best possible coach out there. Where's the beef?
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6/17/2008  4:35 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by islesfan:

Buying out Randolph with 3 years and $50M left is only the dumbest thing you could possibly do.

No it's not--it's brilliant. Trading him for pick 6 is dumb. Find a team that will sign him for 3 years 15mm and give him his 35mm--we owe him no matter what. Steve Francis took a similar buyout from Portland to go play in Houston. Zach doesnt want to behere and he would probably have 6-8 choices from which to pick.

It's dumb because he's not going to accept 70 cents on the dollar and the salary cap savings aren't great enough to achieve Walsh's stated goal to be far enough under the cap in 2010 to be players in the free agent market.

Francis had 1 year remaining. Try again.
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6/17/2008  4:37 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by purple012870:

Perhaps I am one, I don't know. But I know that:

-I don't want to piss away this pick to dump either lard-ass front court player we have.

-And I don't ever want to see Marbury as a Knick again. He can stay home until with find a trade partner for a player that has a deal < 2 years (i.e. J O'N) or stay home until his contract expires.

-Put a fitness requirement on Obese Snacks & when he fails, fine him / cut him in training camp. Maybe his expiring in a couple of years will be valuable trade wise, but we can't have that kind of poison on the team.

-Tell QBrick to come in under 250 lb & require him to jump over a Sunday NY Times before he gets to suit up.

-Get Sasha Vujajic via 2-3 year MLE.

-Use DJ's idea to dump EC w/ the # 6 for Seattle's # 4 plus Petro.

I am in total agreement with you. I think we all are pretty much tired of speculating and can't wait till Donnie makes his first move.

He already has. He "reassigned" Isiah and hired a head coach whose system is destined to make the Knicks the next Denver Nuggets or Golden State Warriors at best without an MVP PG and 2 freakishly athletic all star forwards.

Haven't heard a peep out of Isiah and D'Antoni was the best possible coach out there. Where's the beef?

It's the silence that should be worrying you. When Isiah talks to Dolan, we probably aren't going to hear it, neither will Walsh as Isiah's knife approaches his back.

D'Antonio was the best possible coach for what? To sell tickets and fool Knicks fans into thinking they can win a championship with him?
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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6/17/2008  4:47 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by islesfan:

Buying out Randolph with 3 years and $50M left is only the dumbest thing you could possibly do.

No it's not--it's brilliant. Trading him for pick 6 is dumb. Find a team that will sign him for 3 years 15mm and give him his 35mm--we owe him no matter what. Steve Francis took a similar buyout from Portland to go play in Houston. Zach doesnt want to behere and he would probably have 6-8 choices from which to pick.

It's dumb because he's not going to accept 70 cents on the dollar and the salary cap savings aren't great enough to achieve Walsh's stated goal to be far enough under the cap in 2010 to be players in the free agent market.

Francis had 1 year remaining. Try again.

agreed that buying ZRo out is a bad idea. i still say trading him to Cleveland for one of the Wally/Zydrunas/BigBen triumvirate is the best, possibly only way to go. Philly may change their tune about ZRo once they realize they have no shot at Brand.

there are options for him. if a Detroit writer is acting like he can be a savior for Detroit, then there's a serious shot at moving the guy to SOMEONE for a not horrible deal. we only need to get out from under a year of his contract (i.e. he expires 2011, we need something that expires 2010) - it shouldn't be that hard.
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6/17/2008  5:00 PM
Maybe I'm wrong, but it's my understanding that when you buy a player out, he still has the same cap hit.
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6/17/2008  5:02 PM
Posted by Ira:

Maybe I'm wrong, but it's my understanding that when you buy a player out, he still has the same cap hit.

not completely - say a guy has a one year $20M contract. if you buy him out for $17M, only $17M of his contract counts against your cap. so, you can save some cap space, but not usually a lot.
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6/17/2008  5:13 PM
Posted by Ira:

Maybe I'm wrong, but it's my understanding that when you buy a player out, he still has the same cap hit.

I thought the same thing but from what I now understand is that your cap hit is the cost of the buyout averaged out over the remaining years. If he signs another contract though, the yearly average of his new contract is subtracted from his former team's cap hit.

The problem with that is you have to hope that another team offers him a big enough contract to offset the cap hit you're going to take, after you buy him out for $50M.
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6/17/2008  5:19 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Ira:

Maybe I'm wrong, but it's my understanding that when you buy a player out, he still has the same cap hit.

I thought the same thing but from what I now understand is that your cap hit is the cost of the buyout averaged out over the remaining years. If he signs another contract though, the yearly average of his new contract is subtracted from his former team's cap hit.

The problem with that is you have to hope that another team offers him a big enough contract to offset the cap hit you're going to take, after you buy him out for $50M.

so, ZBo has 3yrs $48M remaining on his deal, if we tell him he won't ever play again here and he can clearly get a MLE from another team and buy him out at $36M, then he signs with another team for 3yrs $15M (mle), would our cap hit only be $21M (the $36M we pay him, minus the $15M he gets from another team?)? that might actually be worth it.

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6/17/2008  5:20 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by martin:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by purple012870:

Perhaps I am one, I don't know. But I know that:

-I don't want to piss away this pick to dump either lard-ass front court player we have.

-And I don't ever want to see Marbury as a Knick again. He can stay home until with find a trade partner for a player that has a deal < 2 years (i.e. J O'N) or stay home until his contract expires.

-Put a fitness requirement on Obese Snacks & when he fails, fine him / cut him in training camp. Maybe his expiring in a couple of years will be valuable trade wise, but we can't have that kind of poison on the team.

-Tell QBrick to come in under 250 lb & require him to jump over a Sunday NY Times before he gets to suit up.

-Get Sasha Vujajic via 2-3 year MLE.

-Use DJ's idea to dump EC w/ the # 6 for Seattle's # 4 plus Petro.

I am in total agreement with you. I think we all are pretty much tired of speculating and can't wait till Donnie makes his first move.

He already has. He "reassigned" Isiah and hired a head coach whose system is destined to make the Knicks the next Denver Nuggets or Golden State Warriors at best without an MVP PG and 2 freakishly athletic all star forwards.

Haven't heard a peep out of Isiah and D'Antoni was the best possible coach out there. Where's the beef?

It's the silence that should be worrying you. When Isiah talks to Dolan, we probably aren't going to hear it, neither will Walsh as Isiah's knife approaches his back.

D'Antonio was the best possible coach for what? To sell tickets and fool Knicks fans into thinking they can win a championship with him?

name your coach. So far everything you have said about Isiah is pure speculation.

What happen to letting things play out before they actually to place to judge?
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6/17/2008  5:21 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by martin:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by purple012870:

Perhaps I am one, I don't know. But I know that:

-I don't want to piss away this pick to dump either lard-ass front court player we have.

-And I don't ever want to see Marbury as a Knick again. He can stay home until with find a trade partner for a player that has a deal < 2 years (i.e. J O'N) or stay home until his contract expires.

-Put a fitness requirement on Obese Snacks & when he fails, fine him / cut him in training camp. Maybe his expiring in a couple of years will be valuable trade wise, but we can't have that kind of poison on the team.

-Tell QBrick to come in under 250 lb & require him to jump over a Sunday NY Times before he gets to suit up.

-Get Sasha Vujajic via 2-3 year MLE.

-Use DJ's idea to dump EC w/ the # 6 for Seattle's # 4 plus Petro.

I am in total agreement with you. I think we all are pretty much tired of speculating and can't wait till Donnie makes his first move.

He already has. He "reassigned" Isiah and hired a head coach whose system is destined to make the Knicks the next Denver Nuggets or Golden State Warriors at best without an MVP PG and 2 freakishly athletic all star forwards.

Haven't heard a peep out of Isiah and D'Antoni was the best possible coach out there. Where's the beef?

It's the silence that should be worrying you. When Isiah talks to Dolan, we probably aren't going to hear it, neither will Walsh as Isiah's knife approaches his back.

D'Antonio was the best possible coach for what? To sell tickets and fool Knicks fans into thinking they can win a championship with him?

I thought you said Walsh was Dolan's puppet. If that's the case then why would Isiah have influence over a guy like Dolan who controls his GM's like a puppet? You think the former puppet can become the current puppetmaster?

I'm not opposed to the D'antoni hiring like you are, but I'm not against it either since I don't think the Knicks are in a position to compete for a championship anytime soon regardless, and 90% of the players on the roster now wouldn't still be on it on a future title contending Knicks team. I dunno, Maybe Walsh thought it would be easier to trade guys if The team actually looked good instead of like crap. I'm kind of just playing devil's advocate with you here since I don't really know that Walsh isn't doing what you think either.
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6/17/2008  5:37 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by martin:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by purple012870:

Perhaps I am one, I don't know. But I know that:

-I don't want to piss away this pick to dump either lard-ass front court player we have.

-And I don't ever want to see Marbury as a Knick again. He can stay home until with find a trade partner for a player that has a deal < 2 years (i.e. J O'N) or stay home until his contract expires.

-Put a fitness requirement on Obese Snacks & when he fails, fine him / cut him in training camp. Maybe his expiring in a couple of years will be valuable trade wise, but we can't have that kind of poison on the team.

-Tell QBrick to come in under 250 lb & require him to jump over a Sunday NY Times before he gets to suit up.

-Get Sasha Vujajic via 2-3 year MLE.

-Use DJ's idea to dump EC w/ the # 6 for Seattle's # 4 plus Petro.

I am in total agreement with you. I think we all are pretty much tired of speculating and can't wait till Donnie makes his first move.

He already has. He "reassigned" Isiah and hired a head coach whose system is destined to make the Knicks the next Denver Nuggets or Golden State Warriors at best without an MVP PG and 2 freakishly athletic all star forwards.

Haven't heard a peep out of Isiah and D'Antoni was the best possible coach out there. Where's the beef?

It's the silence that should be worrying you. When Isiah talks to Dolan, we probably aren't going to hear it, neither will Walsh as Isiah's knife approaches his back.

D'Antonio was the best possible coach for what? To sell tickets and fool Knicks fans into thinking they can win a championship with him?

name your coach. So far everything you have said about Isiah is pure speculation.

What happen to letting things play out before they actually to place to judge?

Sometimes the unknown is more intriguing to some people.
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6/17/2008  5:45 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Ira:

Maybe I'm wrong, but it's my understanding that when you buy a player out, he still has the same cap hit.

I thought the same thing but from what I now understand is that your cap hit is the cost of the buyout averaged out over the remaining years. If he signs another contract though, the yearly average of his new contract is subtracted from his former team's cap hit.

The problem with that is you have to hope that another team offers him a big enough contract to offset the cap hit you're going to take, after you buy him out for $50M.

so, ZBo has 3yrs $48M remaining on his deal, if we tell him he won't ever play again here and he can clearly get a MLE from another team and buy him out at $36M, then he signs with another team for 3yrs $15M (mle), would our cap hit only be $21M (the $36M we pay him, minus the $15M he gets from another team?)? that might actually be worth it.

How are you planning to get him to take a $12M discount? I don't think that Randolph is the type to do the Knicks any favors and leave that money on the table.
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