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6/16/2008  7:18 PM
thinking of some trade candidates to fill the hole in the rotation til Hughes, Kennedy or Wang are ready to return... SEA seems like an ideal trading partner at this point... their season is toast & they just fired their GM & will likely be looking to purge payroll in the coming days... they have some veteran pitchers on their staff the Yankees might be able to target like Batista, Silva or Washburn... they're obviously not going to trade King Felix under any circumstances & i don't think they'd give up Bedard unless they were bowled over by a package of prospects considering they just gave up a big package of prospects to get him a few months ago to begin with.

Odalis Perez of the Nats might be another option.

Oswalt would be a pipedream but i don't see HOU trading him to us unless we bowl them over w/a package of prospects either.
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6/16/2008  7:58 PM
he's another possibility, tho trades w/in the division are harder to pull off.
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6/17/2008  7:42 PM
assuming Dan Geise is only a stopgap solution, who do u guys think are realistic trade options for the Yankees to pursue right now?

CC's name has been tossed around but i don't see the Yankees paying the fare in terms of prospect to land him when they could simply wait til free agency to lock him up w/o giving up any prospects.

a few other names being tossed around include Erik Bedard, Randy Wolf, Kevin Millwood, Gil Meche, AJ Burnett... then there are lower tier guys like Miguel Batista, Carlos Silva... i've even heard Freddy Garcia's name mentioned in some rumors.

how about Ian Kennedy, Melky Cabrera & Alan Horne for Zack Greinke? the kid is a young up & coming stud at 24 so this is the type of acquisition i would have no problem giving up a package of prospects for... we just drafted & signed his little brother & the Yanks were rumored to be in talks to acquire Zack over the offseason.

a lesser deal i wouldn't mind seeing is for someone like Jarrod Washburn... he's a lefty & has pitched some big games over his career... would seem like we could get someone like that at a relative bargain.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-17-2008 4:58 PM]
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6/18/2008  12:41 AM
I'd like to see some of the guys in the minors get a chance before we trade some of them away for chopped liver.

Daniel McCutchen, Alfredo Aceves, Chase Wright, Alan Horne and Jeffrey Marquez all should get looks. Plus Kennedy should be back by the All Star Break and Hughes a few weeks after that. They should be able to get by with what they have in their system.
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6/18/2008  12:49 AM
McCutchen is the only other guy other than Geise that is really ML ready at this point... Chase Wright? no thanks bro... those 4 straight HR's he gave up to BOS was enough to last me for a while.

Marquez is struggling in AAA right now & Horne just returned from an injury that kept him out for a good stretch of games... my guess is they'll remain in AAA for the entire year or get called up during Sept. callups at the earliest, by which time Wang might be ready to return.

Ian Kennedy is slated to return the end of this month also, but barring Giese, McCutchen or Kennedy making lasting impacts this year i think a deal will be struck at the Allstar break... this team has been beset w/so many injuries the past few years it would make sense to make a preemptive strike to gain more depth in the rotation... Kei Igawa & Pavano are obviously no longer viable options & Jeff Karstens just plain stinks.
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6/18/2008  1:09 AM
Nobody. I'd sign David Wells broken fat ass and give him a chance but there's no need to trade any prospects right now.

I heard a rumor of Robinson Cano for Brad Penny and that's a good deal for both sides.
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6/18/2008  1:10 AM
Yeah that Boston game wasn't pretty but the kid deserves another shot. I'd give Horne a spot start just to see what he has while they give Moose or Pettitte a little break. Same with Marquez.

At this point you're only looking for a 4th or 5th starter, if they can't fill that out of their stacked minor league system then that's a problem. And it's only for 2 months before Kennedy and Hughes should be back at full strength.
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6/18/2008  1:10 AM
that rumor was shot down in Insider cuz of Penny's shoulder issues... i don't think it was anything serious to begin with, tho i do love Brad Penny.
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6/18/2008  1:13 AM
Posted by islesfan:

At this point you're only looking for a 4th or 5th starter, if they can't fill that out of their stacked minor league system then that's a problem. And it's only for 2 months before Kennedy and Hughes should be back at full strength.

i think we could land a guy like Washburn easily w/o having to throw back any good prospects... it would be a pure salary dump type move like how we got Bobby Abreu a couple years ago... he's owed $9.8 mil this year & another $10 mil next year... the new SEA GM is gonna wanna free up payroll to re-sign King Felix when he hits arbitration.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-17-2008 10:14 PM]
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6/18/2008  1:15 AM
Posted by GKFv2:

Nobody. I'd sign David Wells broken fat ass and give him a chance but there's no need to trade any prospects right now.

I heard a rumor of Robinson Cano for Brad Penny and that's a good deal for both sides.

No ****ing way do I trade Cano for Penny. Penny is hurt, has sucked this year and he only has 1 year left on his contract. Cano is signed for another 5 years (including 2 team options) at below market value and there's no chance that he's as bad as he's been the first 2 months. He seems to be getting his swing back the last week. Plus, who do you replace him with? Alberto "All Glove, No Hit" Gonzalez?

There's no way in hell I make that trade.
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6/18/2008  1:18 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by islesfan:

At this point you're only looking for a 4th or 5th starter, if they can't fill that out of their stacked minor league system then that's a problem. And it's only for 2 months before Kennedy and Hughes should be back at full strength.

i think we could land a guy like Washburn easily w/o having to throw back any good prospects... it would be a pure salary dump type move like how we got Bobby Abreu a couple years ago... he's owed $9.8 mil this year & another $10 mil next year... the new SEA GM is gonna wanna free up payroll to re-sign King Felix when he hits arbitration.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-17-2008 10:14 PM]

A dump is fine but there's no use for Washburn next year and I don't want to pay him $10M that could be used on someone better.
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6/18/2008  3:12 AM
yeah, that contract next year is somewhat of a killer, i'll give u that.
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6/18/2008  7:41 AM
if Beane puts Rich Harden on the market, would u guys throw a big package of prospects for him? he's as dominant as they come but damn he's injury prone... this year he's had 9 starts which equals his high for the past few years... he's pitched great vs. the Bosux as well, getting wins in both of his starts against... knowing Beane it would take a huge package of prospects cuz Harden is signed through the end of next season at very reasonable dollars.
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6/18/2008  12:01 PM
Posted by TMS:

if Beane puts Rich Harden on the market, would u guys throw a big package of prospects for him? he's as dominant as they come but damn he's injury prone... this year he's had 9 starts which equals his high for the past few years... he's pitched great vs. the Bosux as well, getting wins in both of his starts against... knowing Beane it would take a huge package of prospects cuz Harden is signed through the end of next season at very reasonable dollars.

Probably not. I'd rather just sign Sabathia and stay with the kids. With Sabathia, Wang, Joba and Hughes there's no need to get Harden. I'm going out on a limb and saying that the Yankees already have a guy in their system that can be as good as Harden. Harden is too injury prone as well to risk trading a bunch of their best prospects.
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6/18/2008  7:07 PM
news report says we just signed Sidney Ponson again... WE GOT OUR ACE FELLAS!
http://www.northjersey.com/sports/yankees/Yanks_pick_up_Ponson_report_says.html
The Yankees have signed free-agent right-hander Sidney Ponson to a minor-league contract, FOX Sports is reporting.

Ponson, 31, recently was released by the Texas Rangers, who cited his off-field conduct in announcing their initial decision to designate him for assignment.

Ponson, however, pitched well for the Rangers, going 4-1 with a 3.88 ERA in nine starts. This will be his second stint with the Yankees, for whom he was 0-1 with a 10.47 ERA in five appearances in 2006.
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Posted by TMS:

if Beane puts Rich Harden on the market, would u guys throw a big package of prospects for him? he's as dominant as they come but damn he's injury prone... this year he's had 9 starts which equals his high for the past few years... he's pitched great vs. the Bosux as well, getting wins in both of his starts against... knowing Beane it would take a huge package of prospects cuz Harden is signed through the end of next season at very reasonable dollars.

I really like Rich Harden a lot too TMS. I know he's always hurt but he has a tremendous arm - he's a clear-cut ace when healthy, no question about it. And you're right, Billy Beane is a real weeny and would probably ask for the moon but it wouldn't hurt to ask...

How about Roy Oswalt? Surprisingly not having a good year and collectively neither are the Astros. He's getting up there a little in age (he's gotta be about 30-31) and I know we scored some runs against him recently (although we hardly knocked him around), but he still has real good stuff - in the start against us he featured 4 well above average pitches - 93-95 mph fastball, good slow curve, nice harder slider and effective change. He's got the stuff we all thought Hughes had. And remember he was part of that combined no-hitter the Astros dropped on us a few seasons ago at Yankee Stadium during interleague. Shouldn't cost as much as a Rich Harden - the Astros might just ask for a few mid-level prospects... What do you think?
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6/20/2008  9:39 PM
Oswalt is a guy i've always loved... at only 30 yo he's still got plenty left in his arm... i would LOVE for him to be a Yankee but i dunno if we could feasibly land him unless we threw back a couple top prospects... remember every team that trades an A class veteran will want at the very least a better package than the 2 compensatory draft picks they'd get if he left via free agency... to give away an ace like Oswalt (& i don't think there's a team out there that doesn't still consider him an ace right now even w/the down year he's having) i would have to assume it would take a very big package of prospects to get him... at the very least i would say it would have to start w/Hughes & probably include 1 if not 2 more pretty good prospects in the deal... afterall we got Hughes through a compensatory pick we received from HOU when they signed Pettitte to begin with, so we'd have to assume they'd ask for at least Hughes along w/another good prospect to give up Oswalt.
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6/20/2008  10:19 PM
Posted by TMS:

Oswalt is a guy i've always loved... at only 30 yo he's still got plenty left in his arm... i would LOVE for him to be a Yankee but i dunno if we could feasibly land him unless we threw back a couple top prospects... remember every team that trades an A class veteran will want at the very least a better package than the 2 compensatory draft picks they'd get if he left via free agency... to give away an ace like Oswalt (& i don't think there's a team out there that doesn't still consider him an ace right now even w/the down year he's having) i would have to assume it would take a very big package of prospects to get him... at the very least i would say it would have to start w/Hughes & probably include 1 if not 2 more pretty good prospects in the deal... afterall we got Hughes through a compensatory pick we received from HOU when they signed Pettitte to begin with, so we'd have to assume they'd ask for at least Hughes along w/another good prospect to give up Oswalt.

I agree. Question is would you do it? Say they wanted Hughes and Kennedy for Oswalt. I might... You know we have enough top-tier starting pitching that's waiting in the wings - enough to obsorb the loss of Hughes and Kennedy - Betances, Brackman, Sanchez, Garcia, Cole, etc... Plus you gotta seriously question by now whether Hughes and Kennedy are ever gonna be as good as advertised anyway. I know Hank would do this! LOL!


[Edited by - finestrg on 06-20-2008 10:33 PM]
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6/20/2008  11:33 PM
Hughes & Kennedy for Oswalt? we refused that package for Johan, i have a hard time imagining the Yankees doing it for Oswalt... personally i'd give up Hughes for Oswalt w/o question (just like i would have for Johan), but there's no way i'd be able to reason throwing Kennedy in there if the Yankees weren't willing to do it for Santana... Cash's mentality has been to build back up through the farm system, so my guess is he'll remain conservative & not make any big blockbuster deals just yet... of course, the biggest trades are usually hardly ever talked about (like when the Yankees got ARod for Soriano), so who knows what's up his sleeve at this point... Hank has allowed Cashman to follow his new philosophy & deferred the main baseball related decisions to him, & i don't think that's gonna change as long as Cashman is here.

& i have always questioned whether Hughes would ever be as good as advertised (his velocity has not been as good as advertised & he doesn't have good command of his pitches yet), but i'm still holding off on making any final judgements til i see him pitch for another 2 years at the very least... i was actually a lot more confident about Ian Kennedy going into this season, he just seemed so much more polished to me... obviously he hasn't lived up to his hype either this season but i think it's too early to give up entirely on either 1 of them.

i do agree that we have enough depth in our farm system now to make a big trade if we can land ourselves an ace, but knowing the direction the Yankees are going i understand why they're reluctant to go that route just yet... i easily see another dynasty on the horizon if we establish a nice young core like we did in the early-mid 90's w/our homegrown kids Jeter, Jorge, Mo, Andy & Bernie & mix them in w/smart veteran acquisitions.
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