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BRIGGS
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6/15/2008  4:56 PM
Each Team may maintain or establish rules with which its players shall comply at all times, whether on or off the playing floor; provided, however, that such rules are in writing, are reasonable, and do not violate the provisions of this Agreement or the Uniform Player Contract


Notice where it says on or OFF the playing floor--now if the Knicks have a conduct detrimental to the team rule[which they must] this is grounds for major suspension and possibly termination

There are other codes that may have been broken with Zach[we dont know if any charges will be filed yet in conjuction with the last problem] but there is enough there to start a process in which we get rid of him or force him into a .50 buyout.

http://www.nbpa.com/cba_articles/article-XXVI.php

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 06-15-2008 5:00 PM]
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6/15/2008  5:00 PM
what does a buyout do for our cap situation? all it does is saves Dolan some of Cablevision's money on luxury tax payments.
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6/15/2008  5:00 PM
Like I said good luck getting this to fly past the Players Association and keep thinking it wouldn't be a process that would present a serious blackeye to our organization and that the process would be a speedy one.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-15-2008 4:02 PM]
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6/15/2008  5:01 PM
JJ was suspended without pay for conduct detrimental to the team. Another team, can't recall offhand, did the same, kept a guy at home and didn't pay him. This is the route I would go.
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6/15/2008  5:02 PM
Posted by jaydh:

JJ was suspended without pay for conduct detrimental to the team. Another team, can't recall offhand, did the same, kept a guy at home and didn't pay him. This is the route I would go.

& did their contracts come off their cap in the process?
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6/15/2008  5:02 PM
Posted by TMS:

what does a buyout do for our cap situation? all it does is saves Dolan some of Cablevision's money on luxury tax payments.

Wait a second I thought Zach was a cancer? Strong-arming him into a .50 buyout would not only get rid of Zach but it would take huge sums of money off of the 2010 season.
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Posted by TMS:
Posted by jaydh:

JJ was suspended without pay for conduct detrimental to the team. Another team, can't recall offhand, did the same, kept a guy at home and didn't pay him. This is the route I would go.

& did their contracts come off their cap in the process?


Is JJ not on the team anymore? All i said is the team didn't have to pay these guys and these guys were banished.
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Posted by TMS:
Posted by jaydh:

JJ was suspended without pay for conduct detrimental to the team. Another team, can't recall offhand, did the same, kept a guy at home and didn't pay him. This is the route I would go.

& did their contracts come off their cap in the process?


What about Marbury's situation how did that go over with this franchise with him leaving the team and the team docking his pay only for him to fight it with the Players Association? Yeah we got cap relief, closer to a buyout, no negative press.... Yep it was ALL GOOD!!!!!
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Posted by TrueBlue:

Like I said good luck getting this to fly past the Players Association and keep thinking it wouldn't be a process that would present a serious blackeye to our organization and that the process would be a speedy one.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-15-2008 4:02 PM]

The players association is only 1 facet of the deal. Its team rules and conduct that is detrimental to the employer. This would NOT get settled by the PA--it would get settled by an arbitartor if they went hardcore and they have a lot of amno they can bring up on Zach.
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6/15/2008  5:09 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by TMS:

what does a buyout do for our cap situation? all it does is saves Dolan some of Cablevision's money on luxury tax payments.

Wait a second I thought Zach was a cancer? Strong-arming him into a .50 buyout would not only get rid of Zach but it would take huge sums of money off of the 2010 season.

he is a cancer... i'm asking you if a contract comes off the books after a buyout... i've never heard of this at all... guys like Steve Francis were bought out but their salaries have remained on the Blazers' cap.
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Posted by jaydh:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by jaydh:

JJ was suspended without pay for conduct detrimental to the team. Another team, can't recall offhand, did the same, kept a guy at home and didn't pay him. This is the route I would go.

& did their contracts come off their cap in the process?


Is JJ not on the team anymore? All i said is the team didn't have to pay these guys and these guys were banished.

You go hardcore---you suspend him for a year like they did with Artest or Sprewell. Fighting with drug dealers is a serious offense and it's obviously conduct detrimental to the team--it's the pattern of behaviour as well--certainly there is no doubt in my mind from reading this that they have a acse. Marbury was not fighting with gang/drug related people he wasnt in Portland to hear dog cruelty charges---Zach however was. His conduct with the Knicks has been detrimental to the team and it appeasr--like Portland that they gave him multiple chanes to correct his behaviour and he hasnt.

If you can get into a negotiation of a buyout--you can save 20-25mm and get rid of him. Need to put pressure on him now.
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6/15/2008  5:11 PM
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by jaydh:

JJ was suspended without pay for conduct detrimental to the team. Another team, can't recall offhand, did the same, kept a guy at home and didn't pay him. This is the route I would go.

& did their contracts come off their cap in the process?


Is JJ not on the team anymore? All i said is the team didn't have to pay these guys and these guys were banished.

i was asking u a question.
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6/15/2008  5:12 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by TMS:

what does a buyout do for our cap situation? all it does is saves Dolan some of Cablevision's money on luxury tax payments.

Wait a second I thought Zach was a cancer? Strong-arming him into a .50 buyout would not only get rid of Zach but it would take huge sums of money off of the 2010 season.

he is a cancer... i'm asking you if a contract comes off the books after a buyout... i've never heard of this at all... guys like Steve Francis were bought out but their salaries have remained on the Blazers' cap.

If you buy a player out for 25 mm and he has 3 yrs left--the cpa hit is an average of 1/3 for each year meaning 8.3mm which is roughly 10mm lower than his contract in 2010
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6/15/2008  5:12 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by TrueBlue:

Like I said good luck getting this to fly past the Players Association and keep thinking it wouldn't be a process that would present a serious blackeye to our organization and that the process would be a speedy one.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-15-2008 4:02 PM]

The players association is only 1 facet of the deal. Its team rules and conduct that is detrimental to the employer. This would NOT get settled by the PA--it would get settled by an arbitartor if they went hardcore and they have a lot of amno they can bring up on Zach.

If it were this easy Portland would have had numerous cases settled when they were the Jailblazers. You can't incorporate new guidelines into a contract already established by another team. You can outline future parameters that are in accordance but you can't heavily factor in the contract unless his actions violates NBA/CBA rules.



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Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by BRIGGS:

[quote]Posted by TrueBlue:

Like I said good luck getting this to fly past the Players Association and keep thinking it wouldn't be a process that would present a serious blackeye to our organization and that the process would be a speedy one.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-15-2008 4:02 PM]

The players association is only 1 facet of the deal. Its team rules and conduct that is detrimental to the employer. This would NOT get settled by the PA--it would get settled by an arbitartor if they went hardcore and they have a lot of amno they can bring up on Zach.

If it were this easy Portland would have had numerous cases settled when they were the Jailblazers. You can't incorporate new guidelines into a contract already established by another team. You can outline future parameters that are in accordance but you can't heavily factor in the contract unless his actions violates NBA/CBA rules.




Read it hard--it's Knick team rules that coem into play and they must have a conduct detrimental to the team clause--you know they do.

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Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by BRIGGS:

[quote]Posted by TrueBlue:

Like I said good luck getting this to fly past the Players Association and keep thinking it wouldn't be a process that would present a serious blackeye to our organization and that the process would be a speedy one.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-15-2008 4:02 PM]

The players association is only 1 facet of the deal. Its team rules and conduct that is detrimental to the employer. This would NOT get settled by the PA--it would get settled by an arbitartor if they went hardcore and they have a lot of amno they can bring up on Zach.

If it were this easy Portland would have had numerous cases settled when they were the Jailblazers. You can't incorporate new guidelines into a contract already established by another team. You can outline future parameters that are in accordance but you can't heavily factor in the contract unless his actions violates NBA/CBA rules.




Read it hard--it's Knick team rules that coem into play and they must have a conduct detrimental to the team clause--you know they do.


It's almost next to impossible to touch his contract especially since he wasn't found guilty of anything. You can't get him on anything in the past from the legal sysytem. You can suspend him/dock his pay if he's fighting teammates and coaches disrupting the overall work environment but you can't mess with his pay off some allegations off the court.

Where is your head at?
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6/15/2008  5:22 PM
if the knicks attempted to discipline zach...the player's association will be against them and will hurt their free agency plans. there's a reason no players have been disciplined unless they do something crazy - like spree or artest. zach hasn't done anything crazy towards a basketball involved person yet.
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6/15/2008  5:24 PM
i saw we strong arm Isiah into fulfilling the terms of his contract by coercing Zach into choking him... kill 2 birds with 1 stone... everyone's happy, even isles.
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Posted by djsunyc:

if the knicks attempted to discipline zach...the player's association will be against them and will hurt their free agency plans. there's a reason no players have been disciplined unless they do something crazy - like spree or artest. zach hasn't done anything crazy towards a basketball involved person yet.

It's called COMMON SENSE!!!!!!!!

Yeah let's go with what Briggs is suggesting to get Donnie's and D'Antonio Davis' regime started off with a bang.

And what dirt do we have on Zach at the moment? Pretty much nothing!!!!
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6/15/2008  5:28 PM
trading the #6 is completely unrealistic TB... BRIGGS' suggestion is a lot more realistic... BRIGGS has spoken... don't be challenging the authority of the BRIGMEISTER on the UK forums or you'll get the horns.

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