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Cookdcokehop
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6/12/2008  6:47 PM
Honestly the most intelligent thing for the Knicks should do is trade the pick. After the first 3 prospects ( Rose, Beasley, and Mayo) everyone else is a second and third tier player. Bayless has one hand and Eric Gordon (the player that is the fourth best in the draft) has no handles. So we have no future at guard from this draft. So lets look at the post players. Lopez, Randolph, Gallinari and etc are all huge projects. The Knicks already look like a Science fair . Balkman, Crawford, Nate, Curry, Lee, Chandler and Collin. We are waiting on all their development. Marbury, Randolph, Rose and Rich are players thats game are already categorized. NO MORE PROJECTS. If we cant cut salary to get good veteran players via trade or free agency then we are simply spinning our wheels.
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6/12/2008  7:25 PM
You have to accept that Knicks sck and the best premium *talent* at pick 6 is the only option.

The problem with the Knicks is they couldve chanced the organization with lottery picks and they ended up overpaying for shtty players and swapping those piks away.


You would never own a Kobe a KG a Bynum or many of the top tier players because of that mentality. I accaept as a fan that we have to play these guys out as is and look forward to grabbing high caliber draft picks that wil mature over the enxt 2-3 years when we can match maturing players with solid FA.

Listen--you go put all of your marbles in Crawford[38=40%] Q Rich[under 40%]Jefferies[one of the worst touches in nba] bad charachter players Marbury Randolph No shot blocking one dimensional curry with weight problem throw in a POS MLE like Jerome Jmes and give up all of your picks wtF do you think the end product is?


Nope Knicks not waiting on projects knicks still waiting on guys who can play.
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6/12/2008  8:08 PM
you could have said the same thing to ainge - but he accumulated a lot of nice young talent and when two superstars were available, he had the goods to get them.

That might not be our strategy - and we might not be able to sign a lebron outright - but if we have some assets to trade in a S&T, that might be the best option.

But, if we can possible trade up to 3- that might not be a bad option.
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6/12/2008  8:11 PM
2002 lottery pick - traded (dice)
2003 lottery pick - sweetney
2004 pick - traded (marbury)
2005 lottery pick - frye
2006 lottery pick - traded (curry)
2007 lottery pick - traded (curry)
2008 lottery pick - ???

that's probably the most disgusting use of 1st round picks in the modern nba era.

whether they use it or trade it...it hasn't worked thus far.
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6/12/2008  8:29 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

2002 lottery pick - traded (dice)
2003 lottery pick - sweetney
2004 pick - traded (marbury)
2005 lottery pick - frye
2006 lottery pick - traded (curry)
2007 lottery pick - traded (curry)
2008 lottery pick - ???

that's probably the most disgusting use of 1st round picks in the modern nba era.

whether they use it or trade it...it hasn't worked thus far.


Its ironic that they might have to trade another one just to help get out from under the mess that trading those other picks have gotten us in. And you can extend it to 2010 since that pick is already gone.
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6/12/2008  9:55 PM
i leave it in Walsh's hands... don't disappoint me or you get the HORNS!

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6/12/2008  10:10 PM
I'm with TMS.. I trust Walsh as much as you can trust a GM. If he wants to use the pick, fine. If he thinks the pick should be traded, fine. Whatever Walsh does, I'm on board with.
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6/12/2008  11:08 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

I'm with TMS.. I trust Walsh as much as you can trust a GM. If he wants to use the pick, fine. If he thinks the pick should be traded, fine. Whatever Walsh does, I'm on board with.

Not me. The worst thing this franchise has done in the last 6-7 years is repeat mistake after mistake in terms of losing the ability to take a high lottery pick by trading it away. If we stayed witht eh picks we would haev a good team with cap disicpline by now. This is what scared me about hiring an older GM--that maybe he would have to rush it together somehow. This is has been a bad team for a long time and the first step to turning it around is executing a solid high pick. I think that this Boston team will now give many teams and unrealistic believe that they can go from 20 games to the championship. Danny Ainge built his entire team through the draft and whne it made sense because of player timing then his the trade market--no free agency--he drafted Jefferson which got him Garnett[and losing jeffereson isn't an easy thing] he drafted Perkins Powe Rondo Allen Green--and they already had a viable start in Pierce who they drafted. They used one pick on Allen and that was it. No dire need for FA--they did it all through the draft and when they were in position.

Maybe we get to FA but I certainly would say that should only be one option and the process should be fluid. Make a solid pick a high end pick--start at first base.
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6/12/2008  11:37 PM
Briggs, in my heart of hearts I really want the pick to be used, especially on a guy like Mayo, Randolph, Westbrook, Joe Alexander whatever. But when it really comes down to it, Walsh is the GM and he's built himself a sparkling reputation as a GM in this league over a long period of time and to me that must mean he knows what he's doing. I would prefer him to keep the pick and use it but as I said, he's built himself a reputation and as fans we should respect and go along with whatever he does.
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6/12/2008  11:52 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Briggs, in my heart of hearts I really want the pick to be used, especially on a guy like Mayo, Randolph, Westbrook, Joe Alexander whatever. But when it really comes down to it, Walsh is the GM and he's built himself a sparkling reputation as a GM in this league over a long period of time and to me that must mean he knows what he's doing. I would prefer him to keep the pick and use it but as I said, he's built himself a reputation and as fans we should respect and go along with whatever he does.

Jerry West did a poor job in Memphis as an older hire. Indiana really turned into a bad team the last 3-4 years. That being said--he hasnt done anything so there is just wait and see!! All I can do as a fan is HOPE that they can see what has happened here and what the biggest problems are. The roster is flawed and there is just so much you can change--I would like to start with a building block. I don't mind being patient if they do things the right way. When Indiana built its great team ALMOST every acquisition was through the draft--that was there MO--if he changes it here--he is not using his same model for success.
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6/12/2008  11:59 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Briggs, in my heart of hearts I really want the pick to be used, especially on a guy like Mayo, Randolph, Westbrook, Joe Alexander whatever. But when it really comes down to it, Walsh is the GM and he's built himself a sparkling reputation as a GM in this league over a long period of time and to me that must mean he knows what he's doing. I would prefer him to keep the pick and use it but as I said, he's built himself a reputation and as fans we should respect and go along with whatever he does.

Jerry West did a poor job in Memphis as an older hire. Indiana really turned into a bad team the last 3-4 years. That being said--he hasnt done anything so there is just wait and see!! All I can do as a fan is HOPE that they can see what has happened here and what the biggest problems are. The roster is flawed and there is just so much you can change--I would like to start with a building block. I don't mind being patient if they do things the right way. When Indiana built its great team ALMOST every acquisition was through the draft--that was there MO--if he changes it here--he is not using his same model for success.

I agree with you, especially about the last part. I honestly don't think Walsh is going to the trade pick, he has said nothing that makes me thing he will. I'm going to hope and pray that either Mayo or Bayless falls to us and if not, I'll be all over Anthony Randolph.

I know you got that patience in you Briggs, Walsh won't do us wrong.
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6/13/2008  12:00 AM
One trade that I would consider, the 6 for the 10th and 23rd from nj. The Knicks could draft Alexander and still get a good player at 23. I also think nj would trade Marcus Williams and the 10th for the 6th pick. I am notsure if I would trade for the 10th and Williams but I would consider it. I would not trade for a veteran with a big salary or use it to dump salary.
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6/13/2008  2:25 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by nyk4ever:

I'm with TMS.. I trust Walsh as much as you can trust a GM. If he wants to use the pick, fine. If he thinks the pick should be traded, fine. Whatever Walsh does, I'm on board with.

Not me. The worst thing this franchise has done in the last 6-7 years is repeat mistake after mistake in terms of losing the ability to take a high lottery pick by trading it away. If we stayed witht eh picks we would haev a good team with cap disicpline by now. This is what scared me about hiring an older GM--that maybe he would have to rush it together somehow. This is has been a bad team for a long time and the first step to turning it around is executing a solid high pick. I think that this Boston team will now give many teams and unrealistic believe that they can go from 20 games to the championship. Danny Ainge built his entire team through the draft and whne it made sense because of player timing then his the trade market--no free agency--he drafted Jefferson which got him Garnett[and losing jeffereson isn't an easy thing] he drafted Perkins Powe Rondo Allen Green--and they already had a viable start in Pierce who they drafted. They used one pick on Allen and that was it. No dire need for FA--they did it all through the draft and when they were in position.

Maybe we get to FA but I certainly would say that should only be one option and the process should be fluid. Make a solid pick a high end pick--start at first base.

another equally horrid mistake this franchise has made over the years is investing huge amounts of dollars into talent that wasn't worth the investment... that has severely hampered our ability to build a winning team... the picks argument is valid but so is the fact that the Knicks have had zero concern for the longterm ramifications of their cap killing type moves... we can't simply discount 1 while focusing on the other... the Knicks need to be smart about any move they make cuz they can't afford to make any more ridiculous mistakes like the ones we've been witness to for so long now... it's time for some SENSIBLE trades & sensible FA signings... if i see 1 more Jerome Turd James or Jared Fishlips Jefferies signed to a full MLE i'm gonna hurt somebody... & please, no more freakin' Zach Randolph type trades from here on out... PLEASE MR. WALSH! i'm beggin' ya!

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