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6/12/2008  10:29 AM
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6/12/2008  11:01 AM
I like his handle and penetration skills. His outside shot needs a lot of work. He tends to drift to his strong hand, his left, which tells me he needs to work on his strength.
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6/12/2008  11:13 AM
Looks good. He looks like his off the dribble moves are a little slow and methodical. Didn't show him posting up anyone. He did that damn shadow post up stuff. He fought through contact but the least little bit moved him on some of his moves. His handle is sick for a guy 6-11 though.

I think he is a 3 who may be able to play 4 in spurts.
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6/12/2008  11:18 AM
Posted by NYKBocker:

I like his handle and penetration skills. His outside shot needs a lot of work. He tends to drift to his strong hand, his left, which tells me he needs to work on his strength.


In terms of BPA I don't see a guy at 6 who would be considered more of a BPA than Randolph. He has more potential than any of the guards and fits this system perfectly. He can guards bigs or smalls he can play 3-4 hybrid
he's got great ballhandling skills for a very lengthy 6-10 and you can see his agility mobility and athletic ability. I don't see a player CLOSE to him for THIS system at 6 and unless Kevin Love showed some kind of dramatic change Randolph should be the runaway choice at 6 imho. It is very rare to see a 6-10 player with his kind of skill along with his athletic package. He's 6-10 but handles the ball like a guard--he can go in out he can guard 5-1--I HOPE that we are serious about LONG term improvement instead of shot term fixes. We should be better this year but to think we are one point guard away is assinine and these guys who have come in to manange the team have to know that. This has to be a three year approach--getting the BPA in the draft regardless of position for this style of play and making the pick
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6/12/2008  11:19 AM
Maybe a little Lamar Odomish?
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6/12/2008  11:36 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by NYKBocker:

I like his handle and penetration skills. His outside shot needs a lot of work. He tends to drift to his strong hand, his left, which tells me he needs to work on his strength.


In terms of BPA I don't see a guy at 6 who would be considered more of a BPA than Randolph. He has more potential than any of the guards and fits this system perfectly. He can guards bigs or smalls he can play 3-4 hybrid
he's got great ballhandling skills for a very lengthy 6-10 and you can see his agility mobility and athletic ability. I don't see a player CLOSE to him for THIS system at 6 and unless Kevin Love showed some kind of dramatic change Randolph should be the runaway choice at 6 imho. It is very rare to see a 6-10 player with his kind of skill along with his athletic package. He's 6-10 but handles the ball like a guard--he can go in out he can guard 5-1--I HOPE that we are serious about LONG term improvement instead of shot term fixes. We should be better this year but to think we are one point guard away is assinine and these guys who have come in to manange the team have to know that. This has to be a three year approach--getting the BPA in the draft regardless of position for this style of play and making the pick

At 197, I think he'll have major problems guarding 4's and 5's.
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6/12/2008  11:36 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Maybe a little Lamar Odomish?

I like that comparison. Draft.net compared him to Prince too(don't see it).
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6/12/2008  11:41 AM
Is Josh Smith a decent comp?
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6/12/2008  11:50 AM
Still would prefer Alexander. Best athlete in the draft (except Rose), competes like a warrior.

If we're talking best cased scenarios: Lamar Odom (Randolph) or Shawn Marion (Alexander), I'm taking the latter, especially since Alexander is further along developmentally & doesn't have questions about his ability to hold up strength wise.
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6/12/2008  11:51 AM
Randolph has to be the Knicks pick @ 6. Nobody has his skill and size in this draft. Nothing really more to discuss.

If everything runs smoothly and beasley, rose, mayo, love, and bayless are all picked? Anthony Randolph has to be the Knicks pick.

Edit: Joe Alexander is still very intriging. His athletic numbers were awesome. He is built like a horse and more nba ready......if he was the pick I wouldn't be mad at all either........still this Gordon guy has me nervous as hell.

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6/12/2008  12:06 PM
AR also doesn't contribute to a culture change of this putrid organization the way Alexander or Love or Bayless would. He seems pretty shy/easy going 19 year old & I'm afraid he'd succumb to the poison on this team. Whereas, Alexander will fight for you. I mean, look at the personalities on the Lakers/Celts for example. Look at the guys who will go to war for you. Kobe obviously. Pierce, KG. Now look at the opposite...Lamar Odom, who cowers from the spotlight, from pressure, from the fight....whereas guys like Sasha, Kobe, Farmar, Pierce, House love all that (I intentionally refenced guys w/ various ability levels).
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6/12/2008  2:04 PM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by NYKBocker:

I like his handle and penetration skills. His outside shot needs a lot of work. He tends to drift to his strong hand, his left, which tells me he needs to work on his strength.


In terms of BPA I don't see a guy at 6 who would be considered more of a BPA than Randolph. He has more potential than any of the guards and fits this system perfectly. He can guards bigs or smalls he can play 3-4 hybrid
he's got great ballhandling skills for a very lengthy 6-10 and you can see his agility mobility and athletic ability. I don't see a player CLOSE to him for THIS system at 6 and unless Kevin Love showed some kind of dramatic change Randolph should be the runaway choice at 6 imho. It is very rare to see a 6-10 player with his kind of skill along with his athletic package. He's 6-10 but handles the ball like a guard--he can go in out he can guard 5-1--I HOPE that we are serious about LONG term improvement instead of shot term fixes. We should be better this year but to think we are one point guard away is assinine and these guys who have come in to manange the team have to know that. This has to be a three year approach--getting the BPA in the draft regardless of position for this style of play and making the pick

At 197, I think he'll have major problems guarding 4's and 5's.

Two things baout the weight. He's 18 years old. I have never heard of weight being a factor in anything in the NBA. Marcus Camby was 6-11 185 pounds when he went to Umass and probably was no more than 210 when he came into the nBA.
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6/12/2008  2:35 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by NYKBocker:

I like his handle and penetration skills. His outside shot needs a lot of work. He tends to drift to his strong hand, his left, which tells me he needs to work on his strength.



In terms of BPA I don't see a guy at 6 who would be considered more of a BPA than Randolph. He has more potential than any of the guards and fits this system perfectly. He can guards bigs or smalls he can play 3-4 hybrid
he's got great ballhandling skills for a very lengthy 6-10 and you can see his agility mobility and athletic ability. I don't see a player CLOSE to him for THIS system at 6 and unless Kevin Love showed some kind of dramatic change Randolph should be the runaway choice at 6 imho. It is very rare to see a 6-10 player with his kind of skill along with his athletic package. He's 6-10 but handles the ball like a guard--he can go in out he can guard 5-1--I HOPE that we are serious about LONG term improvement instead of shot term fixes. We should be better this year but to think we are one point guard away is assinine and these guys who have come in to manange the team have to know that. This has to be a three year approach--getting the BPA in the draft regardless of position for this style of play and making the pick

At 197, I think he'll have major problems guarding 4's and 5's.

Two things baout the weight. He's 18 years old. I have never heard of weight being a factor in anything in the NBA. Marcus Camby was 6-11 185 pounds when he went to Umass and probably was no more than 210 when he came into the nBA.

Ive went from 6 foot 170 lbs at 18 to 225 lbs now. I think hell have no problem putting on quality weight as he gets older. Worse comes to worse we do have Fat Eddy and Fat Q and Fat JJ on our team. Im sure they can show him the way!
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6/12/2008  2:43 PM
i think a good comparion could be chris bosh any one...does any 1 see that? same body type althtetic maybe we could devople his game he onkly 18 an has alot of potencial
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6/12/2008  3:05 PM
His full court game is more like Odom in that he can really handle the ball and make the pass on the fly. For such a young talent he's got some good skills already. LIke BRIGGS said, tho it's about the coach and system we have. AR is a good fit cuz it's gonna be about fluid players who can move, pass and hit a shot. Right now we don't have a big like that, tho it's funny to call him a big. We eventually will have a team that is more agile and quick than powerful, so his weight doesn't bother me too much.

If we can't get Mayo or Bayless, then AR would be a very good pick IMO. He'd be very much about the future tho, cuz I don't know if he'd be ready to do much in year one. A lot depends on the development of JC and Nate. Will their games mature a bit more under D'Antoni? A kid like Randolph is gonna need help and guards willing to share the ball.
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6/12/2008  3:32 PM
No feel for the game, has trouble finishing inside and has to be a three in the NBA. He doesnt guard inside at all and will spend his first year in foul trouble. For someone with this high of skill lever 46% in college 10% from three point line and 3 turnovers doesnt excite me
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6/12/2008  3:38 PM
Posted by King1:

No feel for the game, has trouble finishing inside and has to be a three in the NBA. He doesnt guard inside at all and will spend his first year in foul trouble. For someone with this high of skill lever 46% in college 10% from three point line and 3 turnovers doesnt excite me

He looks like he would whoop Lee on a 1-1.
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6/12/2008  3:52 PM
Posted by izybx:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by NYKBocker:

I like his handle and penetration skills. His outside shot needs a lot of work. He tends to drift to his strong hand, his left, which tells me he needs to work on his strength.



In terms of BPA I don't see a guy at 6 who would be considered more of a BPA than Randolph. He has more potential than any of the guards and fits this system perfectly. He can guards bigs or smalls he can play 3-4 hybrid
he's got great ballhandling skills for a very lengthy 6-10 and you can see his agility mobility and athletic ability. I don't see a player CLOSE to him for THIS system at 6 and unless Kevin Love showed some kind of dramatic change Randolph should be the runaway choice at 6 imho. It is very rare to see a 6-10 player with his kind of skill along with his athletic package. He's 6-10 but handles the ball like a guard--he can go in out he can guard 5-1--I HOPE that we are serious about LONG term improvement instead of shot term fixes. We should be better this year but to think we are one point guard away is assinine and these guys who have come in to manange the team have to know that. This has to be a three year approach--getting the BPA in the draft regardless of position for this style of play and making the pick

At 197, I think he'll have major problems guarding 4's and 5's.

Two things baout the weight. He's 18 years old. I have never heard of weight being a factor in anything in the NBA. Marcus Camby was 6-11 185 pounds when he went to Umass and probably was no more than 210 when he came into the nBA.

Ive went from 6 foot 170 lbs at 18 to 225 lbs now. I think hell have no problem putting on quality weight as he gets older. Worse comes to worse we do have Fat Eddy and Fat Q and Fat JJ on our team. Im sure they can show him the way!

If that is the case then he may never get to eat again. We all know that Eddy, Q and JJ are the reason for the food shortage going on in the world.

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6/12/2008  4:05 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by NYKBocker:

I like his handle and penetration skills. His outside shot needs a lot of work. He tends to drift to his strong hand, his left, which tells me he needs to work on his strength.


In terms of BPA I don't see a guy at 6 who would be considered more of a BPA than Randolph. He has more potential than any of the guards and fits this system perfectly. He can guards bigs or smalls he can play 3-4 hybrid
he's got great ballhandling skills for a very lengthy 6-10 and you can see his agility mobility and athletic ability. I don't see a player CLOSE to him for THIS system at 6 and unless Kevin Love showed some kind of dramatic change Randolph should be the runaway choice at 6 imho. It is very rare to see a 6-10 player with his kind of skill along with his athletic package. He's 6-10 but handles the ball like a guard--he can go in out he can guard 5-1--I HOPE that we are serious about LONG term improvement instead of shot term fixes. We should be better this year but to think we are one point guard away is assinine and these guys who have come in to manange the team have to know that. This has to be a three year approach--getting the BPA in the draft regardless of position for this style of play and making the pick


I like the up-side of Randolph but I'm far more worried about the downside.

NBA history is chock-full of tall-skinny-athletic kids who have great potential but just never get over the hump.

I haven't seen enough of him to see him do much other than dunk from a shot perspective. I like the handles and DON'T view him as SF because he just doesn't have the shot making skills to play the 3. I see him as an athletic #4 but I think he will struggle to find a true position and it will take him a long time to come around.

I would prefer Mayo, Bayless and Gordon of Randolph and Joe Alexander has been growing on me as well.
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6/12/2008  4:09 PM
Briggs we will see if this guy averages a double-double, and shoots 55% from the field. Havent heard much about the all star center from Nevada lately hahahah. One of us is eating a huge plate of crow. How is this guy not going in the top 3?
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