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A great article on the harsh realities of the Iraqi Occupation
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bitty41
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6/11/2008  11:52 AM
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/87235/?page=entire
The war in Iraq is now primarily about murder. There is very little killing. The savagery and brutality of the occupation is tearing apart those who have been deployed to Iraq. As news reports have just informed us, 115 American soldiers committed suicide in 2007. This is a 13% increase in suicides over 2006. And the suicides, as they did in the Vietnam War years, will only rise as distraught veterans come home, unwrap the self-protective layers of cotton wool that keep them from feeling, and face the awful reality of what they did to innocents in Iraq



American Marines and soldiers have become socialized to atrocity. The killing project is not described in these terms to a distant public. The politicians still speak in the abstract terms of glory, honor, and heroism, in the necessity of improving the world, in lofty phrases of political and spiritual renewal. Those who kill large numbers of people always claim it as a virtue. The campaign to rid the world of terror is expressed within the confines of this rhetoric, as if once all terrorists are destroyed evil itself will vanish.




The reality behind the myth, however, is very different. The reality and the ideal tragically clash when soldiers and Marines return home. These combat veterans are often alienated from the world around them, a world that still believes in the myth of war and the virtues of the nation. They confront the grave, existential crisis of all who go through combat and understand that we have no monopoly on virtue, that in war we become as barbaric and savage as those we oppose.

"This unit sets up this traffic control point, and this 18 year-old kid is on top of an armored Humvee with a .50-caliber machine gun," remembered Sgt. Geoffrey Millard, who served in Tikrit with the 42nd Infantry Division. "And this car speeds at him pretty quick and he makes a split-second decision that that's a suicide bomber, and he presses the butterfly trigger and puts two hundred rounds in less than a minute into this vehicle. It killed the mother, a father, and two kids. The boy was aged four and the daughter was aged three.

"And they briefed this to the general," Millard said, "and they briefed it gruesome. I mean, they had pictures. They briefed it to him. And this colonel turns around to this full division staff and says, 'If these f---ing hajis learned to drive, this sh-t wouldn't happen.'"

Prophets are not those who speak of piety and duty from pulpits -- few people in pulpits have much worth listening to -- but are the battered wrecks of men and women who return from Iraq and speak the halting words we do not want to hear, words that we must listen to and heed to know ourselves. They tell us war is a soulless void. They have seen and tasted how war plunges us into perversion, trauma, and an unchecked orgy of death. And it is their testimonies that have the redemptive power to save us from ourselves.

The article is a bit lengthy but its worth the read. And the author Chris Hedges writes some pretty powerful material and I find most of his reporting to be fair and evenhanded.
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6/12/2008  4:35 AM
WOW! This is heartbreaking.
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6/12/2008  4:29 PM
IMagine how bad it was for the Veterans of Vietnam.

At least our society honors our Iraqi vets as noble even if not eveyone agrees with our policy there.

We had boys coming home, every bit as patriotic and honorable os these guys but getting spit on and called "baby killers".

War War 2 vets were "the greatest generation" and only recently has that glorified war been delt with some accuracy regarding that generation whom really were taught to not talk much.

Killing in the name of your country is bad business and the hardships are brutal.

We at home are told to support our troops by supporting the ecnomy but our collective mindset is not supporting this war, but we at the same time are not supporting the troops as a society.

In the last few years on Veterans day I was at an NFL game and they did the jet fly by, the honor guard, the proper pregame emotional "tribute" to our troops and then when the whistle blew it was back to commercialism at its best and pushing 8 dollar draft beers down our snouts and other hype.

IT was like sooth the guilt then show the T&A an sell more SUVs!

Granted, this has been going on for some time and is nothing new, but the dycodomy of it all was not too cool.

On the other hand, while George BUsh is an *******, we can't forget there are some pretty evil muthaphuchers over there that just need to chill their sh!t also and leave some things alone. We can get so critical at time that the US is guilty one here, but thats not entirley true.
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6/12/2008  8:13 PM
Posted by Nalod:

IMagine how bad it was for the Veterans of Vietnam.

At least our society honors our Iraqi vets as noble even if not eveyone agrees with our policy there.

We had boys coming home, every bit as patriotic and honorable os these guys but getting spit on and called "baby killers".

War War 2 vets were "the greatest generation" and only recently has that glorified war been delt with some accuracy regarding that generation whom really were taught to not talk much.

Killing in the name of your country is bad business and the hardships are brutal.

We at home are told to support our troops by supporting the ecnomy but our collective mindset is not supporting this war, but we at the same time are not supporting the troops as a society.

In the last few years on Veterans day I was at an NFL game and they did the jet fly by, the honor guard, the proper pregame emotional "tribute" to our troops and then when the whistle blew it was back to commercialism at its best and pushing 8 dollar draft beers down our snouts and other hype.

IT was like sooth the guilt then show the T&A an sell more SUVs!

Granted, this has been going on for some time and is nothing new, but the dycodomy of it all was not too cool.

On the other hand, while George BUsh is an *******, we can't forget there are some pretty evil muthaphuchers over there that just need to chill their sh!t also and leave some things alone. We can get so critical at time that the US is guilty one here, but thats not entirley true.

Huh?
This is about the Iraqi occupation and that it has not only destroyed an entire country and its people but it is all costing American soldiers their lives. Nalod there are evil muthaphuchers all over the world yet we are not too concerned with our allies such as Saudia Arabia or China blantantly violate human rights because after all we have to protect our business interests. And many all over the world believe we have one of the most evil muthas walking around running this country. So we are hardly in a place to cast stones on other messed up world leaders.

Its interesting that you bring up past war vets. Because many war vets throughout history have come home to a very unfriendly place. Such as black soldiers who came home after serving their country during WW2 and still were faced with blatant racism and segregation. And Native Americans who were also faced with many forms of prejudice when they came home.

So I think what you really meant to say was that the Vietnam War was the first time that white soldiers were faced with open hostility at home after returning from a war.
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6/12/2008  11:44 PM
So I think what you really meant to say was that the Vietnam War was the first time that white soldiers were faced with open hostility at home after returning from a war.

Naw, thats not what I meant.

Not that you don't make your points, But I was talking about the horrors of war all men and women face. All races too.


While not on subject, yes its a disgrace that any soldier who would put his or her life on the line would be subject to any type of discrimination either in the service or again in civilian life.

The ideal of America and its "all men are created equal" is worth fighting for.

Racisim existed long before the formation of our country and while the proclimation of "equality" was never enforced, the ideal of it continues to be a work in progress and few countries on the planet can say they are a melting pot, and few if any have done better.

Its not perfect, won't ever be perfect, but laws are made, laws are enforced and the overall intent is there. In some places they deal with discrimination by just enacting genecide. Its not just white on black, its white on white, muslim on muslim and black on black.

While our country has much to be ashamed of, we can also be proud of a few things also.


[Edited by - nalod on 13-06-2008 09:45 AM]
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6/13/2008  10:52 AM
I was just responding to your comment about the reception Vietnam vets received when returning home. And my point was that African American vetrans and other races have always returned to a mostly hostile environment.

The women's experience during times of war is almost non-existent in most American text books. Fortunately for American women there has been very few wars fought on American soil. But the women's experience has been just as if not more traumatic and devasting. Particularly women in occupied territorys. Imagine experiencing an invasion: rape, murder, torture, etc becomes a regular part of life for most women/children.

While our country has much to be ashamed of, we can also be proud of a few things also.

I recognize the advantage of living in America but I find too often that people tend to ignore or fail to mention the other side of the story. The part where minorities, women, and various religions have lived under hostile conditions for the most part throughout American history.


Also why would you consider me mentioning the racism that black and Indian servicemen experienced as divisive?
A great article on the harsh realities of the Iraqi Occupation

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