imho, only 1 deal this summer
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TMS
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6/10/2008 4:12 PM
talk to me
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Allanfan20
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6/10/2008 4:29 PM
Straight up, Zach for either Blount (Not sure if the salaries completely match) or Reggie Evans. Something of this calibre. Sign Artest to part of the MLE. Buyout Marbury. Trade Chandler for as high a pick that takers will take.
“Whenever I’m about to do something, I think ‘Would an idiot do that?’ and if they would, I do NOT do that thing.”- Dwight Schrute
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EwingsGlass
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6/10/2008 4:58 PM
I know I am about to draw upon the hatred of the board, but why would we get rid of Randolph and not Curry? Randolph's salary is a concern, but it is a concern for 2010, not 2008. Curry's salary isn't phenomenal, but I think that Randolph is a far better player. Both Curry and Randolph's contracts run through 2010 in either event. He does rebound. He can shoot from out side. He can pass out of the post. The major problem people have with him is that he plays the 4 and not the 5, but he also doesn't run the court as bad as Curry. In D'antoni's offense, Randolph fits in better at the C in this East than Curry.
And if we are talking about Zbo's off court concerns, well, I may not have been playing close attention but I don't remember any headline news regarding Zbo this past year. Certainly not enough to warrant dumping the #6 draft pick to get rid of him. If you want to dump that much salary for 2010, why not try dumping both Curry and JJeffries? You know I gonna spin wit it
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arkrud
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6/10/2008 5:24 PM
They all will be out and sequence is not important at all.
New heads have some illusions with Eddy, Craf, and some others but let them be around a bit and illusions will be gone. You know which "material" we have and they will know soon too. "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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DarkKnicks
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6/10/2008 5:28 PM
As much as I dont want to see Randolph contract in our payroll, I want Curry gone too as soon as possible as my main priority, unless someone decides to make him a 6th man or get a defensive PF. The league is full of PF's who dont play much defense (Gasol, Boozer, Bosh, Amare,etc), but no team can afford to have a starting center that blocks less shots than most guards, rebounds worse than SF's and turns the ball over.
Is not just a matter of having cap space (which is also very important), but to be able to start things properly as a new team. Curry (who cant play PF of course) can only be effective (by being effective I mean that his team can benefit from his strenghts and win games) when playing next to Tim Dunca, Okafor, J'Oneal and maybe Kenyon Martin (both injury prones), and very few more people, while Randolph's no-defense could be helped with guys like Camby, Bynum, Prizbilla(!!!), Dampier, Howard, Okafor (he can play both PF and C I think), Hunter, Dalembert and all those typical defensive center that have been so abundant for years. I dont mean we need especifically any of those, is just that it is always easier to find someone to complement a "no-defense" PF than a "no-defense-no-rebounds" C. The problem is that the market for Eddy Curry is not really big... same as Zach. Sorry for repeating myself so much with this lately, lol. [Edited by - DarkKnicks on 10-06-2008 11:29 PM] |
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TMS
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6/10/2008 5:33 PM
we can try to unload both of them this summer... Zach in the Philly deal & Curry in a deal for TJ Ford.
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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arkrud
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6/10/2008 5:34 PM
Posted by DarkKnicks: Looks like we have to many foreclosures... And nobody knocking the door. "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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arkrud
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6/10/2008 5:35 PM
Posted by TMS: As soon as we have enough idiots in NBA there is always some hope. "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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EwingsGlass
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6/10/2008 5:36 PM
Posted by DarkKnicks: Its the first time I am reading it, but it is pretty well put. My thought was not whether we could deal with having a no defense center, it was which no defense center could we deal with better. Curry doesn't rebound either and it is questionable whether he can hit the open trailing jumper. Zach can at least rebound, outlet pass and hit an open jumper when he eventually lumbers down the court. You know I gonna spin wit it
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TMS
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6/10/2008 5:39 PM
Posted by arkrud:Posted by TMS: dude, the first deal is being highly talked about right now & very much a possibility... the second one isn't that much of a stretch considering the Raps are looking for trade partners right now & Ford carries a huge health condition w/him & coming off a major neck injury last season. After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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crzymdups
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6/10/2008 5:42 PM
I think the two options are:
Zach to Cleveland for Wally. Zach to Philly for Evans. no pick swapping. ¿ △ ?
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DarkKnicks
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6/10/2008 6:01 PM
Zach to Cleveland is a fine option, and Im actually a bit concerned that it has not been talked in the media. The Cavs can definately improve with Zach because they need scoring.
As for Eddy Curry... is really difficult to find a team wanting him. I would do Curry + Lee (maybe Nate instead) for Rasheed (expiring) + Detroit pick, though the Pistons would not, hehe. [Edited by - DarkKnicks on 11-06-2008 12:02 AM] |
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TMS
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6/10/2008 6:04 PM
how about Curry & Jefferies for KMart... dollars are a wash pretty much & it gives DEN a low post presence they're currently lacking.
of course they can also do the Zach for KMart trade that i've been pining about for a while too & gain the same benefits. After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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crzymdups
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6/10/2008 6:23 PM
it makes no sense for the Nuggets to add Zach because they already have 2 or 3 ballhogs on that team - specifically AI and Melo who need 20 shots a game to stay happy. Adding Zach means 3 guys taking 60 shots who don't do much else at this point in their careers. it'd be a nightmare.
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TMS
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6/10/2008 6:39 PM
DEN is currently shopping AI & his expiring contract right now... i don't see it as that much of a stretch to think they'd consider adding Zach to give Melo some scoring help if they trade AI for someone else.
certainly makes more sense to me than CLE bringing Zach there when they already have Big Z playing in the post. After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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TrueBlue
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6/10/2008 6:53 PM
Posted by TMS: Actually I'm hearing Denver may want to keep A.I. Trying to coax him into exercise his ETO and accept and 3yr deal. With Carmelo's agent constantly denying the rumors but Karl saying the team is open for business leads me to believe Melo is being shopped. His agent is doing damage control I don't see Denver doing a Zach deal because their team had absolutely no problem scoring. I think if Det offers Chauncey, Rip and Maxiell or Chauncey, Tayshawn, Sheed... Melo's a goner. Denver probably sends something with Melo and does a 2yr last ditch effort and then totally dismantles. LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
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TMS
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6/10/2008 7:18 PM
they lack a low post presence, something CLE already has... i'm not saying DEN will be beating down our door to trade for Zach but if u ask me it makes more sense than CLE wanting Zach... DEN has Camby who would be a perfect complement to Zach's game, & they have the scorers on the perimeter along w/the role players off the bench.
if CLE would want anything from us it would be someone like Jamal to give them another guy who can create his own shot on the perimeter & keep teams honest from doubling down on Lebron on the perimeter. anyway i don't wanna keep repeating the same things i've been saying to reason why i don't think CLE is a realistic option... we're gonna have to agree to disagree on that one. [Edited by - TMS on 06-10-2008 4:18 PM] After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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islesfan
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6/10/2008 7:30 PM
Posted by DarkKnicks: I agree that you need to get rid of both Randolph and Curry. The reason why you get rid of Randolph now and not later is because he's the one whose trade value is most likely to decrease over the next year. You can rehab statistics but statistics have never been Randolph's problem, mostly because he makes sure that he gets his. His attitude, personality and unwillingness to work within the constraints of a team concept are why his trade value only gets worse every year. It's so bad that he's made his own stats meaningless. If you get rid of Randolph, Curry automatically becomes more comfortable. Then I would look to boost Curry's trade value all year by getting the ball to him got at least 13-15 shots a game. Then next summer you can look to trade him when his value is higher or better yet, let him opt out of his contract. Getting rid of Curry now would be selling low after we bought him at a huge price to the franchise. If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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imho, only 1 deal this summer