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djsunyc
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6/10/2008  12:42 PM
Some close to the Suns say Del Negro was openly critical of D'Antoni for failing to develop the younger players Del Negro had helped add to the roster as director of player personnel in 2006 and assistant GM last season.

gotta love gossip...
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6/10/2008  12:45 PM
I wonder what "younger" players Del Negro was directly involved with getting. DJ Strawberry? He's not even that good...

If you ask me, D'antoni made Amare, Barbosa, and Diaw all who were young players 3-4 years ago look VERY good.
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6/10/2008  12:59 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Some close to the Suns say Del Negro was openly critical of D'Antoni for failing to develop the younger players Del Negro had helped add to the roster as director of player personnel in 2006 and assistant GM last season.

gotta love gossip...

They didn't help develop Banks, Strawberry, Tucker
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6/10/2008  1:03 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

I wonder what "younger" players Del Negro was directly involved with getting. DJ Strawberry? He's not even that good...

If you ask me, D'antoni made Amare, Barbosa, and Diaw all who were young players 3-4 years ago look VERY good.

there are +'s and -'s w/ d'antoni player development. obviously the +'s outweigh the -'s b/c the suns were an elite team for many years.

but marcus banks didn't get better and outside of the one year w/o amare, you can say diaw didn't get better either. but it's possible those two just aren't that good to begin with.
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6/10/2008  1:26 PM
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6/10/2008  1:33 PM
Diaw went from scrap heap to rotation and Barbosa developed. They traded too many picks to levy this criciticsm.
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6/10/2008  1:49 PM
Banks was a back-up pg playing behind Steve Nash. He wasn't going to have much chance to develop while Phoenix was a contender. The other two don't seem to be very good.
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6/10/2008  2:19 PM
Wait, I thought D'Antonio brought in Banks because he wanted to address their porous defense?

Oh well, I guess D'Antonio thought even less about defense than originally thought, if that's possible.
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Posted by islesfan:

Wait, I thought D'Antonio brought in Banks because he wanted to address their porous defense?

Oh well, I guess D'Antonio thought even less about defense than originally thought, if that's possible.

Yea he should have benched Steve Nash in favor of Marcus Banks because Marcus Banks would be able to give Tony Parker all he could handle.
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Posted by newyorknewyork:
Posted by islesfan:

Wait, I thought D'Antonio brought in Banks because he wanted to address their porous defense?

Oh well, I guess D'Antonio thought even less about defense than originally thought, if that's possible.

Yea he should have benched Steve Nash in favor of Marcus Banks because Marcus Banks would be able to give Tony Parker all he could handle.


Or give Strawberry or Tucker a chance to slow down Ginobli. Balkman, Jeffries, Malik, and probably Lee won't see as much clock under D'Antonio Sabato Jr.
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6/10/2008  2:34 PM
On a serious note, Amare Stoudemire should have been a defensive beast coming out of highschool. He should have been a domiant rebounder shotblocker defensive presence at PF. Yet he molded into mostly an offensive force with some solid but not great defensive ability.

I think you can put a lot of blame on D'Antoni for that at the same time, Amare was complaining about touches and his offense when he played with Marbury so maybe he allways thought of offense first and D'Antoni just made him better at it.
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6/10/2008  2:41 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by newyorknewyork:
Posted by islesfan:

Wait, I thought D'Antonio brought in Banks because he wanted to address their porous defense?

Oh well, I guess D'Antonio thought even less about defense than originally thought, if that's possible.

Yea he should have benched Steve Nash in favor of Marcus Banks because Marcus Banks would be able to give Tony Parker all he could handle.


Or give Strawberry or Tucker a chance to slow down Ginobli. Balkman, Jeffries, Malik, and probably Lee won't see as much clock under D'Antonio Sabato Jr.

We don't know if they were ready though? Its not like the Suns team was going nowhere and needed to develop young talent the way the Knicks did. Strawberry or Tucker could have showed that they weren't able to hang in practice.

Bell played defense, Diaw played defense, Marion played defense. What Pheniox missed as we talked about before was a strong defensive and rebounding presence down the stretch of games. At the end of the day, they didn't have a Tim Duncan thats why they lost to Tim Duncan, swap Amare with KG and its a different story.
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6/10/2008  2:44 PM
Speaking of KG, with KG Flip Saunders was known more for his defensive teams over his offensive. He goes to Detroit and all of a sudden becomes an offensive guru. While Boston goes from the worst defensive team to best defensive team by adding KG.

Did KG make Flip into a defensive minded coach in Minny because of his defensive ability or something?
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6/10/2008  4:26 PM
the concept of a coach changing his coaching style to suit the players on his roster is an alien concept to some even after Riles showed it could be done right here in NY.
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6/10/2008  5:22 PM
D'Antoni said himself that he was not that there to develop young players. In addition, he has short practices, and according to D'Antoni, the expectation is that his players are professionals and they will play like professionals. I am not sure his philosophy will work in NY but he was the biggest name available and it allowed the Knick organization to again bail out the Suns from a financial blunder.
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6/10/2008  5:30 PM
Knicks like organization has NOTHING to lose.
So what the issue?
Whatever walsh and D'Antony will do will be better that last 8 years... because nobody can do as bad...
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6/10/2008  6:19 PM
Regarding Riles changing his style. He came to a team that had Charles Oakley and Patrick Ewing as its big men. He was smart enough to know what to do. If changing his style means D'Antoni will hold longer practices, develop young players, recognize and teach the importance of defense then I will be presently surprised. He will also need to change the thickness of his skin as he left Phoenix reportedly because he was being asked to change his style and to emphasize defense more and he was upset and offended by this. The same expectations were going to be asked of him in Chicago and it was reported that this was why he chose the Knicks.
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6/10/2008  6:36 PM
Posted by CrushAlot:

Regarding Riles changing his style. He came to a team that had Charles Oakley and Patrick Ewing as its big men. He was smart enough to know what to do. If changing his style means D'Antoni will hold longer practices, develop young players, recognize and teach the importance of defense then I will be presently surprised. He will also need to change the thickness of his skin as he left Phoenix reportedly because he was being asked to change his style and to emphasize defense more and he was upset and offended by this. The same expectations were going to be asked of him in Chicago and it was reported that this was why he chose the Knicks.

the point about changing his style was addressing the way the team is going to play & how he's going to utilize guys in the offense, not how he's going to conduct practices.
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6/10/2008  6:45 PM
The reality is that D'Antoni is not the coach of the Bulls or Suns because they wanted him to change and were putting demands on him including coaching defense and emphasizing defense more. Walsh did not do this. Obviously the Suns wanted him to start developing young players. He said that was not his job with that roster. He is taking over a 23 win team that does nothing well. They will not play better without practice. They have a lottery pick and some young guys who need to be taught and developed. That is how the style of a team changes. D'Antoni has to change if he has any chance of success in NY.
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6/10/2008  6:49 PM
u really think that coaching style issues were at the heart of why D'Antoni picked us over the Bulls? IMO it was all about the chedda... the Bulls had the better young talent to begin with even before they won the draft lottery as well as a much more manageable cap situation... why wouldn't he prefer to go there instead? it was the money, as it always is.
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