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djsunyc
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6/5/2008  11:03 AM
if you are to believe gossip:
The Indiana Pacers are trying to dangle the #11 pick in hopes of being able to package it with one of their ugly contracts (preferably Jermaine O’Neal). There is talk out of O’Neal’s camp that he anticipates being trade to Cleveland at some point this summer, possibly in a deal involving expiring contracts such as Wally Szczerbiak and Eric Snow.

The Pacers don’t want to give O’Neal away for nothing, but the temptation of shedding his 23 million dollar contract from their cap figure (giving them substantial cap space to work with in July of 2009) may be too great to pass up. On Cleveland’s end, it makes sense for their ownership to spend the money it will take to try and appease LeBron James and show them they are making the efforts to put together a championship caliber team. We’ve heard rumblings about this Cleveland/Indiana trade from a number of well-informed sources, so there appears to be at least some truth to it.
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6/5/2008  11:11 AM
I agree. I just mentioned that in another thread. He only has two years left, so it won't affect our ability to get LeBron, or any of the other top players who will soon be free agents. I'd order Steph and cash to help pay Steph along with a player like Balkman to sweeten the deal.

I'd then try to package that pick with Lee to move up to the fifth pick which Memphis wants to move because the top players don't want to play there. With 5 and 6, I'd target Bayless and Love. If Bayless is gone, I'd take Gordon instead.
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6/5/2008  11:34 AM
you better have something to get rid of Zach in the works if you do this. You can not under and way shape or form go into camp with the 3 of them on the roster.
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6/5/2008  11:36 AM
If we can complete the rumored deal sending zach to Philly for the 16th pick, bring in O'neal for the 10th, i think that would work.

Jermiane/Curry
Lee/Balkman
Q/Chandler
Crawford
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6/5/2008  11:36 AM
Posted by fishmike:

you better have something to get rid of Zach in the works if you do this. You can not under and way shape or form go into camp with the 3 of them on the roster.

you trade eddy for luke ridnour and one of their late picks.

start zach at the PF, jermaine at center.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-05-2008 11:38 AM]
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6/5/2008  11:39 AM
So to combine 2 posts:

Trade Zach + # 6 for Evans + # 16

Trade Marbury + # 16 for JO + # 11

Draft Alexander at # 11.
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6/5/2008  11:40 AM
Posted by purple012870:

So to combine 2 posts:

Trade Zach + # 6 for Evans + # 16

Trade Marbury + # 16 for JO + # 11

Draft Alexander at # 11.

so at the end of the day, it's zach + marbury + #6 for jermaine + reggie + #11 + #16

then possibly package up #11 + #16 to move up a little bit more.
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6/5/2008  11:56 AM
I would rather move up to 3, buy #5 and load the bottom of this roster with high picks. Min and Mem are in such disarray we should be throwing cash at them and grapping their picks.

players arent even working out for Memphis because they dont want to go there. Buy the Phoenix #15 pick, the Sea #24 pick package them w/ with $3mm and buy the Memphis pick #5. Then give #6 and $3mm to Minn for #3.

Draft Mayo and Love #3 and #5
If Heat takes Mayo (I think they will)
Draft Beasley and Westbrook #3 and #5
If the bulls take Beas, and the Heat take Mayo
Draft Rose #3 and Randolph #5

Also we could by the 2nd Memphis pick (28) for $3mm also in a separate deal. You could be handing Memphis $6mm straight up to a franchise bleeding money. Make him say no.

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6/5/2008  12:04 PM
fishmike....come on dude, you know there's no way in hell that can happen
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6/5/2008  12:09 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by fishmike:

you better have something to get rid of Zach in the works if you do this. You can not under and way shape or form go into camp with the 3 of them on the roster.

you trade eddy for luke ridnour and one of their late picks.

start zach at the PF, jermaine at center.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-05-2008 11:38 AM]

Zach Randolph is a far more cancerous situation than Curry is. You must remove Randolph at all costs.

As to Jermaine. If he were healthy? Yeah, it's a gamble worth taking. Yet, I just don't think he is.

His last four seasons:

0405 - 44 Games - 24ppg - 9rpg
0506 - 51 Games - 20ppg - 9rpg
0607 - 69 Games - 19ppg - 9rpg
0708 - 42 Games - 13ppg - 6rpg



We want that kind of headache? No thanks. Just get rid of ZachAss, go back to building up Curry for future value, start Lee.

Seems pretty simple to me....
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6/5/2008  12:11 PM
why not? teams sell picks every year and other teams move up and down every year. Its not like your trying to get Cle to trade the Lebron pick.

$6mm is a lot of money to a team like Memphis. For us? We essentially paid $36mm to draft Balkman.

There will be chances to buy picks and move up... I just hope we are aggressive there
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6/5/2008  12:45 PM
Posted by fishmike:

why not? teams sell picks every year and other teams move up and down every year. Its not like your trying to get Cle to trade the Lebron pick.

$6mm is a lot of money to a team like Memphis. For us? We essentially paid $36mm to draft Balkman.

There will be chances to buy picks and move up... I just hope we are aggressive there

I wonder if that isn't why DW is working out some of these mid round picks- I hope its they are shopping for an extra pick & not trading down.
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6/5/2008  12:47 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

if you are to believe gossip:
The Indiana Pacers are trying to dangle the #11 pick in hopes of being able to package it with one of their ugly contracts (preferably Jermaine O’Neal). There is talk out of O’Neal’s camp that he anticipates being trade to Cleveland at some point this summer, possibly in a deal involving expiring contracts such as Wally Szczerbiak and Eric Snow.

The Pacers don’t want to give O’Neal away for nothing, but the temptation of shedding his 23 million dollar contract from their cap figure (giving them substantial cap space to work with in July of 2009) may be too great to pass up. On Cleveland’s end, it makes sense for their ownership to spend the money it will take to try and appease LeBron James and show them they are making the efforts to put together a championship caliber team. We’ve heard rumblings about this Cleveland/Indiana trade from a number of well-informed sources, so there appears to be at least some truth to it.

Jermaine should not be our target- we should offer Cleveland Zach straight up instead of O'Neal.

I mean, is O'Neal ever going to play again? Too many miles on his body.

If I was Cleveland & LeBron, I would rather have Zach than O'Neal- and I am trying to be objective.
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6/5/2008  12:48 PM
btw, what's the nature of JO's current injuries? or maybe a better question , does he have anything like QBrick's back that would prevent him from re-assuming his stature as all-star talent
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6/5/2008  12:54 PM
Check this out from DraftExpress:
-There are a number of teams looking to move down or out of this draft if the right trade offer comes along. One of them is Memphis, who is having serious problems scheduling some of the top players expected to compete for the fifth overall pick. Things are reportedly bad enough that as many as 6 of the top 7 players in this draft (everyone projected in that range of our current mock draft besides Kevin Love) have told the Grizzlies they do not want to play for them. Memphis might thus decide to save some money and slide down a few slots, while possibly unloading a contract (such as Brian Cardinal) in the process. The Sixers could come into play here too.
I would happily swap Malik for Cardinal and take their pick... either move up or combine it with something else to take all together
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6/5/2008  12:59 PM
Mayo has reportedly yet to schedule even a single workout, and will probably do so after he officially hires his new agent. We’ve been told by several sources that Mayo may try to pull a Yi Jianlian and only work out for Chicago, Miami, New York and Los Angeles, while shunning the smaller market teams such as Minnesota, Seattle and Memphis. Things could certainly change as the draft develops over the next few weeks.

To add to this rumor since its from the same story. If this is true. Chicago has the first pick and I doubt they would take Mayo. LA doesn't even have a pick in this draft. That leaves Miami & NY.

I really hope this is true. It still doesn't stop a team like Minny or Seattle or Memphis doesn't take him but it would help drastically. Minny has Foye,Telfair,Hudson,Mcants,Jaric probably likes Lopez anyway, Seattle seems to like Bayless, Memphis has Conley,Lowry,Crittien,Navarro and needs a frontcourt player badly and would probably prefer Love. So if Mayo would to withhold workouts it might steer them to take needs rather than the best talent.

Give Mayo the gurantee at #6 and shut down his workouts for the flu or something.
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6/5/2008  1:04 PM
I think the Heat will take him.. I really do. Beasly has a lot of Glen Robinson in him and might rub Riley the wrong way. Plus you got this whole Wade/Mayo lovefest also.

This is why I say moving up to 3 is so critical. Take back Marko Jarics deal to move up.. whatever. This is going to be one of our few chances to get a star. I think Beasley can be a star. Either way your getting Beasley/Mayo/Rose.. 3 guys I think are perenial all stars.
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6/5/2008  1:10 PM
Posted by purple012870:

btw, what's the nature of JO's current injuries? or maybe a better question , does he have anything like QBrick's back that would prevent him from re-assuming his stature as all-star talent

He's thirty this year, has averaged 51 games for the last four years and has logged 20k+ minutes in his career.
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6/5/2008  1:15 PM
Posted by fishmike:

I think the Heat will take him.. I really do. Beasly has a lot of Glen Robinson in him and might rub Riley the wrong way. Plus you got this whole Wade/Mayo lovefest also.

This is why I say moving up to 3 is so critical. Take back Marko Jarics deal to move up.. whatever. This is going to be one of our few chances to get a star. I think Beasley can be a star. Either way your getting Beasley/Mayo/Rose.. 3 guys I think are perenial all stars.

Were in the same boat. Id even move Crawford & #6 for Jaric & #3 no problem. Jaric probably would even excell in D'Antoni's system. Either way we end up with Beasley or Mayo.

LOL then we can package Beasley 2yrs down the road for King James after he demands a trade to NY.
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6/5/2008  1:19 PM
I just don't like trading #6 with Zach to philly for #16 and tea bag. If they do that they need philly to give up jason smith(or whatever his name is).

The Marbs for jermaine makes sense. The trade is already even without the picks. Instead of the pick, maybe Donnie can take Shawne Williams. The Knicks can give them Balkman and maybe collins too. Shawne Williams has the potential to become a starter next year for someone. The Knicks should jump on that.

I would still trade curry for ridinour and a late seattle pick.

In summary:

David lee/ tea bag
Shawne williams/ wilson Chandler
Jermaine O'neal/ jason smith/late pick
Nate/ ridinour
Craw/ pick

Exciting revamp. More vet leadership and defense. Some good up and coming youth. This team could be something. Its head and shoulders better than the current roster without screwing up 2010....we actually come out a little better.
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