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6/5/2008  5:10 AM
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Does this guy have any people in his personal life that arent radicals? I guess he wasnt in the room when this guy was spreading his communist ideology, just like he wasnt in the room when Rev. Wright was spreading his anti-American racist propoganda.

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6/5/2008  6:42 AM
Posted by izybx:

Does this guy have any people in his personal life that arent radicals?
Yes he does. Edwards, Kerry and the Kennedy's to name a few.

Bush is friends with Ken Lay from Enron (the biggest accounting and SEC scandal in US History) and the Saudi royal family that directly sponsors terrorism. McCain was friends with Charles Keating who caused the Savings and Loans scandal in the 80's. I mean, McCain went to Keatings family retreat and lived their with his own family for a while. So you see, McCain and Bush have friends who are devise and corrupt.
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6/5/2008  11:09 AM
Posted by izybx:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56859

Does this guy have any people in his personal life that arent radicals? I guess he wasnt in the room when this guy was spreading his communist ideology, just like he wasnt in the room when Rev. Wright was spreading his anti-American racist propoganda.




izybx,

Obama embraced a church figure with radical views for the same reason why McCain embraced John Hagee: for political expediency.

Obama needed it to appear more "black" if you will while McCain did it to seem more "Christian".

I know Faux news and the likes of Rush Limbaugh would have you believe that Obama is some kind of black Nationalist poised to take over the American Presidency to bring about his radical agenda. Hate to disappoint but Obama will probably govern slightly left of moderate.
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Posted by bitty41:
Posted by izybx:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56859

Does this guy have any people in his personal life that arent radicals? I guess he wasnt in the room when this guy was spreading his communist ideology, just like he wasnt in the room when Rev. Wright was spreading his anti-American racist propoganda.




izybx,

Obama embraced a church figure with radical views for the same reason why McCain embraced John Hagee: for political expediency.

Obama needed it to appear more "black" if you will while McCain did it to seem more "Christian".

I know Faux news and the likes of Rush Limbaugh would have you believe that Obama is some kind of black Nationalist poised to take over the American Presidency to bring about his radical agenda. Hate to disappoint but Obama will probably govern slightly left of moderate.

Im going to go out on a limb and say that seeking an endorsement compared to sitting in a church for 20 years and then denying that you ever heard racist, radical speeches arent as similar as you say.
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6/5/2008  6:33 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by izybx:

Does this guy have any people in his personal life that arent radicals?
Yes he does. Edwards, Kerry and the Kennedy's to name a few.

Bush is friends with Ken Lay from Enron (the biggest accounting and SEC scandal in US History) and the Saudi royal family that directly sponsors terrorism. McCain was friends with Charles Keating who caused the Savings and Loans scandal in the 80's. I mean, McCain went to Keatings family retreat and lived their with his own family for a while. So you see, McCain and Bush have friends who are devise and corrupt.

Lets leave Georgi out of this

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6/5/2008  7:16 PM
Posted by izybx:
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by izybx:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56859

Does this guy have any people in his personal life that arent radicals? I guess he wasnt in the room when this guy was spreading his communist ideology, just like he wasnt in the room when Rev. Wright was spreading his anti-American racist propoganda.




izybx,

Obama embraced a church figure with radical views for the same reason why McCain embraced John Hagee: for political expediency.

Obama needed it to appear more "black" if you will while McCain did it to seem more "Christian".

I know Faux news and the likes of Rush Limbaugh would have you believe that Obama is some kind of black Nationalist poised to take over the American Presidency to bring about his radical agenda. Hate to disappoint but Obama will probably govern slightly left of moderate.

Im going to go out on a limb and say that seeking an endorsement compared to sitting in a church for 20 years and then denying that you ever heard racist, radical speeches arent as similar as you say.

Are you really comfortable saying this when you haven't lived through the experiences of one Mr. Wright. This is a man who served his country admirably and returned to a segregated south among other things. This isnt to mention that a couple of his more controversial points were taken out of context. Thats not to say that I pledge unwavering support to all of his views, but to brand him a "racist" without framing his words in accodance with the treatment of African Americans in this country, is one of the reasons why a schism still exists among communities.

Turn off Hannity and Limbaugh and develop your own thoughts and talking points.
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6/5/2008  10:18 PM
Posted by izybx:
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by izybx:

Does this guy have any people in his personal life that arent radicals?
Yes he does. Edwards, Kerry and the Kennedy's to name a few.

Bush is friends with Ken Lay from Enron (the biggest accounting and SEC scandal in US History) and the Saudi royal family that directly sponsors terrorism. McCain was friends with Charles Keating who caused the Savings and Loans scandal in the 80's. I mean, McCain went to Keatings family retreat and lived their with his own family for a while. So you see, McCain and Bush have friends who are devise and corrupt.

Lets leave Georgi out of this

Ok, lets focus just on politics. Bring up some McCain and Obama policies. I'll do it if you want me to but I don't want to get blamed for selecting a topic favorable to Obama.
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6/6/2008  5:39 AM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by izybx:
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by izybx:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56859

Does this guy have any people in his personal life that arent radicals? I guess he wasnt in the room when this guy was spreading his communist ideology, just like he wasnt in the room when Rev. Wright was spreading his anti-American racist propoganda.




izybx,

Obama embraced a church figure with radical views for the same reason why McCain embraced John Hagee: for political expediency.

Obama needed it to appear more "black" if you will while McCain did it to seem more "Christian".

I know Faux news and the likes of Rush Limbaugh would have you believe that Obama is some kind of black Nationalist poised to take over the American Presidency to bring about his radical agenda. Hate to disappoint but Obama will probably govern slightly left of moderate.

Im going to go out on a limb and say that seeking an endorsement compared to sitting in a church for 20 years and then denying that you ever heard racist, radical speeches arent as similar as you say.

Are you really comfortable saying this when you haven't lived through the experiences of one Mr. Wright. This is a man who served his country admirably and returned to a segregated south among other things. This isnt to mention that a couple of his more controversial points were taken out of context. Thats not to say that I pledge unwavering support to all of his views, but to brand him a "racist" without framing his words in accodance with the treatment of African Americans in this country, is one of the reasons why a schism still exists among communities.

Turn off Hannity and Limbaugh and develop your own thoughts and talking points.

Whatever the reasons behind his hate are irrelevant. Hes still racist, you can justify that all you want, it still doesnt change the fact.

Why is it that I cant say anything against Obama without people telling me to think for myself and stop regurgitating some conservative talk show host. How about you think for YOURSELF and turn off CNN genius. Please in the future if you cant resist slipping in these little snide comments then do not even respnd to my threads or posts. Thank you

[Edited by - izybx on 06-06-2008 06:08 AM]
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6/6/2008  6:20 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by izybx:
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by izybx:

Does this guy have any people in his personal life that arent radicals?
Yes he does. Edwards, Kerry and the Kennedy's to name a few.

Bush is friends with Ken Lay from Enron (the biggest accounting and SEC scandal in US History) and the Saudi royal family that directly sponsors terrorism. McCain was friends with Charles Keating who caused the Savings and Loans scandal in the 80's. I mean, McCain went to Keatings family retreat and lived their with his own family for a while. So you see, McCain and Bush have friends who are devise and corrupt.

Lets leave Georgi out of this

Ok, lets focus just on politics. Bring up some McCain and Obama policies. I'll do it if you want me to but I don't want to get blamed for selecting a topic favorable to Obama.

I think that it would be very hard to find something policies that Ill concede are more favorable to Obama, as Im conservative. I will give you this tho, I did read about how Obama is asking the DNC to begin refusing donations from lobbyists, something I think will help reduce the influence of big business and special influence in congress. I do wish that Mac would do the same. I also agree with some of Obamas statements in support of legalization of marijuana for medicinal use, which is an issue that is important to me. Besides these two I dont see how Obama is going to help a middle class, ex military, conservative male such as myself.
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I think that it would be very hard to find something policies that Ill concede are more favorable to Obama, as Im conservative. I will give you this tho, I did read about how Obama is asking the DNC to begin refusing donations from lobbyists, something I think will help reduce the influence of big business and special influence in congress. I do wish that Mac would do the same. I also agree with some of Obamas statements in support of legalization of marijuana for medicinal use, which is an issue that is important to me. Besides these two I dont see how Obama is going to help a middle class, ex military, conservative male such as myself.

When you start illuminating McCain's policies then this conversation can probably go further. But as long as you leave this discussion in the realm of the brainwashed Conservative your not really adding that much substance. I use that term brainwashed Conservative because most Conservative politicians use things like anti-reproductive rights, family values, Gay marriage as a way to manipulate voters like yourself because they themselves in reality care very little about these issues. So just sit back and laugh while you vote for them meanwhile they are selling the country down the river.
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Besides these two I dont see how Obama is going to help a middle class, ex military, conservative male such as myself.
- Obama will cut income taxes by $1,000 for working families to offset the payroll tax they pay.
- Obama will fight for a trade policy that opens up foreign markets to support good American jobs.
- Obama will work with the leaders of Canada and Mexico to fix NAFTA so that it works for American workers.
- Obama will encourage the deployment of the most modern communications infrastructure to reduce the costs of health care, help solve our energy crisis, create new jobs, and fuel our economic growth. (this I think is very very important for us in the middle class)
- Obama supports the basic principle that network providers should not be allowed to charge fees to privilege the content or applications of some web sites and Internet applications over others. This principle will ensure that the new competitors, especially small or nonprofit speakers, have the same opportunity as big companies to innovate and reach large audiences. (net neutrality, which is important in more ways than one to us)
- Obama believes that workers should have the freedom to choose whether to join a union without harassment or intimidation from their employers.
- Obama will crack down on fraudulent brokers and lenders. He will also make sure homebuyers have honest and complete information about their mortgage options, and he will give a tax credit to all middle-class homeowners.
- Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. (McCain has no exit policy, which means more tax money going towards fueling the Iraqi civil war. The Shia's and the Sunni's will never stop and our tax $'s will be burnt and put our soldiers in harms way.)
- Obama will secure all loose nuclear materials in the world within four years
- Obama will crack down on nuclear proliferation by strengthening the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty so that countries like North Korea and Iran that break the rules will automatically face strong international sanctions. (North Korea has been completely ignored by the republican neo-cons)

What conservative issues are you concerned with? I am not sure which ones you would refer to. I will address them as you bring them up.

Now, please tell me how McCain will help a middle class, technology worker like me? Someone that is concerned about solar or any other alternative energy, the environment, the illegal detention of innocent civilians, habeas corpus and net neutrality.
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It's a rough area for Obama no doubt. Frankly I have no idea what the man believes. He's been 'shocked and disappointed' by the people he's been in bed with alot recently. It's no suprise that he's had to court these kinds of people in the past. The only way he could rise through the political machinery is via this route. The question is how committed or how much does he owe these folks. Does his worldview differ from them or is he saying he's disappointed to help electability? If he does disagree with them, can he act independently or is he a puppet for those that built him?

Posted by izybx:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56859

Does this guy have any people in his personal life that arent radicals? I guess he wasnt in the room when this guy was spreading his communist ideology, just like he wasnt in the room when Rev. Wright was spreading his anti-American racist propoganda.


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6/7/2008  6:30 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Besides these two I dont see how Obama is going to help a middle class, ex military, conservative male such as myself.
- Obama will cut income taxes by $1,000 for working families to offset the payroll tax they pay.
- Obama will fight for a trade policy that opens up foreign markets to support good American jobs.
- Obama will work with the leaders of Canada and Mexico to fix NAFTA so that it works for American workers.
- Obama will encourage the deployment of the most modern communications infrastructure to reduce the costs of health care, help solve our energy crisis, create new jobs, and fuel our economic growth. (this I think is very very important for us in the middle class)
- Obama supports the basic principle that network providers should not be allowed to charge fees to privilege the content or applications of some web sites and Internet applications over others. This principle will ensure that the new competitors, especially small or nonprofit speakers, have the same opportunity as big companies to innovate and reach large audiences. (net neutrality, which is important in more ways than one to us)
- Obama believes that workers should have the freedom to choose whether to join a union without harassment or intimidation from their employers.
- Obama will crack down on fraudulent brokers and lenders. He will also make sure homebuyers have honest and complete information about their mortgage options, and he will give a tax credit to all middle-class homeowners.
- Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. (McCain has no exit policy, which means more tax money going towards fueling the Iraqi civil war. The Shia's and the Sunni's will never stop and our tax $'s will be burnt and put our soldiers in harms way.)
- Obama will secure all loose nuclear materials in the world within four years
- Obama will crack down on nuclear proliferation by strengthening the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty so that countries like North Korea and Iran that break the rules will automatically face strong international sanctions. (North Korea has been completely ignored by the republican neo-cons)

What conservative issues are you concerned with? I am not sure which ones you would refer to. I will address them as you bring them up.

Now, please tell me how McCain will help a middle class, technology worker like me? Someone that is concerned about solar or any other alternative energy, the environment, the illegal detention of innocent civilians, habeas corpus and net neutrality.


I just came back from working a 6pm to 5am, so I cant go through this line by line. I will tommorow. I will say this.
1. I agree with an income tax cut of $1000 to working class families. This should not be extended to a cradit to people who do not pay income taxes. I dont agree with pulling back the Bush taxes. With the unemployment rate what is is, up .5% just last month, we cannot afford to lose any more jobs. While my understanding of economics is limited to a couple courses in college, I do know that taxes reduce both total economic activity and the employment rate. Considering that the top %40 of income earners in this country pay 99.6% of the taxes, I think they deserve a tax cut as well.

2. How will Obama fight for a trade policy that opens up foreign markets to American jobs? This is a broad statement that will be difficult to obtain and I havent heard any real plan to do it.

3. Again, Obama will create jobs, provide healthcare, fix the economy, and solve the energy crisis. I mean Im sure that any politician would love to do that regardless of party affiliation. How will he do it? How will he pay for it? Its easy to promise the world, but I would say that to do those things will be almost impossible in the short term.

4. I applaud Obama for saying that he will crack down on fraudulent lenders. What I dont want is one penny of my tax dollars going to help people who are losing their home because they made unsound investments. If you buy a house without doing research then you pay the price. If you buy a Mcmansion that you cant afford then you pay the price. I agree that there needs to be something done in ensuring that lenders who take advantage of consumers are penalized, but I dont want to bail people out of their poor decisions.

5. I suppport the war %100 without any attachments. I believe that we should stay their so long as it takes to ensure that the sacrifice of our troops will not be in vain, and that a democratic Iraq will be in place for years to come. This is one of my biggest cons with Obama.

6. Obama CANT secure all loose nuclear materials in five years, and such a statement shows ignorance. I was a securities major in college, and this is one area that I am very familiar with. There is no way that he can do that without invading nations such as Iran and North Korea, and he better be prepared to spend all that money hes saving in Iraq in the former Soviet Union. An absolutely ridiculous statement.

7. I hope Obama does crack down on nuclear proliferation. He better be prepared to do a lot more than have sanctions. I dont think this guy has the balls to go to war with a North Korea or an Iran.

I guess I did respond to your post after all. Okay I have to go to sleep, Ill post some stuff about Mac tonight when I get up.
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6/7/2008  6:37 AM
Posted by nykshaknbake:

It's a rough area for Obama no doubt. Frankly I have no idea what the man believes. He's been 'shocked and disappointed' by the people he's been in bed with alot recently. It's no suprise that he's had to court these kinds of people in the past. The only way he could rise through the political machinery is via this route. The question is how committed or how much does he owe these folks. Does his worldview differ from them or is he saying he's disappointed to help electability? If he does disagree with them, can he act independently or is he a puppet for those that built him?

Posted by izybx:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56859

Does this guy have any people in his personal life that arent radicals? I guess he wasnt in the room when this guy was spreading his communist ideology, just like he wasnt in the room when Rev. Wright was spreading his anti-American racist propoganda.


I think Obama has a in commmen with these people that he built his life around. To what extent has this guy been influenced by radical thinking is a question that needs to be looked at.
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Rev. Wright was spreading his anti-American racist propoganda.
I have a different view than most on this issue. So let me ask, What's wrong with listening to people whose views you disagree with, or even diametrically oppose?
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Posted by izybx:

I just came back from working a 6pm to 5am, so I cant go through this line by line. I will tommorow. I will say this.
1. I agree with an income tax cut of $1000 to working class families. This should not be extended to a cradit to people who do not pay income taxes. I dont agree with pulling back the Bush taxes. With the unemployment rate what is is, up .5% just last month, we cannot afford to lose any more jobs. While my understanding of economics is limited to a couple courses in college, I do know that taxes reduce both total economic activity and the employment rate. Considering that the top %40 of income earners in this country pay 99.6% of the taxes, I think they deserve a tax cut as well.
You asked me about what he will do for middle class ex-military. Don't bring in top 40% because you dynamically change the focus or this discussion. Play stay on the topic of middle class ex-military.
2. How will Obama fight for a trade policy that opens up foreign markets to American jobs? This is a broad statement that will be difficult to obtain and I havent heard any real plan to do it.

You asked me for what he will do, not how he will do it. If you are asking these questions about Obama be prepared to answer them about McCain. It's a broad statement because I don't want to post 3 page posts. The requested info is:
He will use trade agreements to spread good labor and environmental standards around the world and stand firm against agreements like the Central American Free Trade Agreement that fail to live up to those important benchmarks. Obama will also pressure the World Trade Organization to enforce trade agreements and stop countries from continuing unfair government subsidies to foreign exporters and nontariff barriers on U.S. exports.
3. Again, Obama will create jobs, provide healthcare, fix the economy, and solve the energy crisis. I mean Im sure that any politician would love to do that regardless of party affiliation. How will he do it? How will he pay for it? Its easy to promise the world, but I would say that to do those things will be almost impossible in the short term.
The annoying thing about this argument is you have yet to make one constructive point about McCain on this thread. You have yet to give me any information on what McCain will do for a middle class American working man. Once again, the info you are requesting is pasted below:

# Invest in U.S. Manufacturing: The Obama comprehensive energy independence and climate change plan will invest in America's highly-skilled manufacturing workforce and manufacturing centers to ensure that American workers have the skills and tools they need to pioneer the first wave of green technologies that will be in high demand throughout the world. Obama will also provide assistance to the domestic auto industry to ensure that new fuel-efficient vehicles are built by American workers.
# Create New Job Training Programs for Clean Technologies: The Obama plan will increase funding for federal workforce training programs and direct these programs to incorporate green technologies training, such as advanced manufacturing and weatherization training, into their efforts to help Americans find and retain stable, high-paying jobs. Obama will also create an energy-focused youth jobs program to invest in disconnected and disadvantaged youth.
# Boost the Renewable Energy Sector and Create New Jobs: The Obama plan will create new federal policies, and expand existing ones, that have been proven to create new American jobs. Obama will create a federal Renewable Portfolio Standard (RPS) that will require 25 percent of American electricity be derived from renewable sources by 2025, which has the potential to create hundreds of thousands of new jobs on its own. Obama will also extend the Production Tax Credit, a credit used successfully by American farmers and investors to increase renewable energy production and create new local jobs.
# Deploy Next-Generation Broadband: Obama believes we can get broadband to every community in America through a combination of reform of the Universal Service Fund, better use of the nation's wireless spectrum, promotion of next-generation facilities, technologies and applications, and new tax and loan incentives.
4. I applaud Obama for saying that he will crack down on fraudulent lenders. What I dont want is one penny of my tax dollars going to help people who are losing their home because they made unsound investments. If you buy a house without doing research then you pay the price. If you buy a Mcmansion that you cant afford then you pay the price. I agree that there needs to be something done in ensuring that lenders who take advantage of consumers are penalized, but I dont want to bail people out of their poor decisions.
This is about fraudulent lenders. This has to do with people at Bear Sterns and Lehman brothers that give out loans with flex interest rates and then suddenly jack up the rates by 20%. This is fraud and the victims are just that. They are victims, not stupid making bad investments. And please tell me why the republic/conservative party is allowed to BAIL OUT BEAR STERNS but not allowed to BAIL OUT THE WORKING MAN?? Why are there two sets of rules?
5. I suppport the war %100 without any attachments. I believe that we should stay their so long as it takes to ensure that the sacrifice of our troops will not be in vain, and that a democratic Iraq will be in place for years to come. This is one of my biggest cons with Obama.
Dude, there is a civil war waging in Iraq! Its not our war anymore. We took care of Saddam instead of Osama. I don't understand why you support the war especially since you are a soldier. How many more soldiers are you going to risk in a civil war that doesn't involve us? Colin Powell and numerous American Generals have quit their posts in retaliation of the war and how many lives are being risked.
6. Obama CANT secure all loose nuclear materials in five years, and such a statement shows ignorance. I was a securities major in college, and this is one area that I am very familiar with. There is no way that he can do that without invading nations such as Iran and North Korea, and he better be prepared to spend all that money hes saving in Iraq in the former Soviet Union. An absolutely ridiculous statement.
See you keep saying stuff like that but tell me nothing about what McCain plans on doing for me as President. But I don't know how Obama plans on securing weapons so I am not going to waste my time on this topic. This is something I least care about.
I guess I did respond to your post after all. Okay I have to go to sleep, Ill post some stuff about Mac tonight when I get up.

Please do because I am dying to hear what McCain will do for middle cause working Americans like me.
- If he plans on continuing the war, how will he pay for it?
- What does he plan on doing for alternative energy? Is he going to invest in it or close down labs to pay for a 100 year war?
- What is he going to do about the economy?
- What is his stand on immigration?
- Tax cuts? Is he going to keep Bush's tax cuts in place?
- What about the illegal wiretapping? Is he going to stop spying on decent hardworking Americans?
- Will he finally ban water boarding?
- Finally, is he going to risk more American lives and tax $ by starting another war in Iran?
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