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nykbasketball
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6/4/2008  8:07 PM
Anyway we could acquire another lottery pick to draft Mayo without trading our own pick?

IF we somehow get a 3rd pick or if Mayo falls to us and we trade for the 10th pick I say we should draft Russel Westbrook.
I wasn't really big on Westbrook but I watched a couple of videos and did some research and the big knock on his was he wasn't an efficient shooter and can't shoot and stuff like that. But after watching the videos (I know its only highlights) it looked like he had good form and a above average midrange game and he was knocking down open 3's in the video so we know he has the ability. I hate to say it but this kid looks like the second coming of Dwayne Wade to me. Wade had no shot coming into the league and all he did was drive and use his athleticism, well, Russel Westbrook does the same thing. He has the lightning quick first step, explosive dunks, and is a blur in the open court. Plus, many scouts say he will be a top 3 defender as soon as he steps into the league, and when's the last time we've had a legit 2 way player?

I'm not saying that I would take Westbrook over Mayo if both are available at 6, but I would be very disappointed if we do not draft westbrook.
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6/4/2008  8:53 PM
I don't know if a lottery pick would be available but Portland may want to trade its pick if there are not any points. Portland also has two second round picks and I would love to see the Knicks get Joey Dorsey if they could acquire a pick. I also think there is a slim chance the Knicks could do something with the Nets to acquire their second pick or swap the 6 for their two first round picks. I am not sure if that would be smart.
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6/4/2008  9:05 PM
If we were willing to give up Lee+Malik, I think we could get a top 10-12 pick.

Personally I disagree with drafting another guard if we are able to swipe Mayo. If we get a pick in that 10-12 range, I would target Joe Alexander/Deandre Jordan/Anthony Randolph
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6/4/2008  9:14 PM
Other than Isiah getting a GM job with one of the other lottery teams and deciding that he really has to have Curry or Randolph on his team?

Probably not.
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6/4/2008  9:16 PM
I would love to see us draft our 2 future guards...it **could** resemble Clyde and Earl the Pearl (not saying talent wise but one is a offensive mastermind and the other is a defensive stopper). All good playoff teams have to have at least one excellent guard and most championship teams have 2 all star guards (parker + ginobili, paul + peja, Chauncey and Rip).

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6/4/2008  9:30 PM
Posted by nykbasketball:

I would love to see us draft our 2 future guards...it **could** resemble Clyde and Earl the Pearl (not saying talent wise but one is a offensive mastermind and the other is a defensive stopper). All good playoff teams have to have at least one excellent guard and most championship teams have 2 all star guards (parker + ginobili, paul + peja, Chauncey and Rip).

I would absolutely love to find a way to get both OJ and Westbrook on this team. Problem is, any late lotto pick we could pick up (in addition to our own) would cost us Lee. Even if there were a chance to pick up Westbrook after doing that, passing on a big man at that point would mean we were planning to stick it out with Eddy/Zach in the front court. I'm with joe. If we are able to snatch a second pick, we have to look for a big.
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6/4/2008  9:31 PM
You can probably trade Lee to Portland for their lotto pick...
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6/5/2008  8:18 AM
Posted by joec32033:

If we were willing to give up Lee+Malik, I think we could get a top 10-12 pick.

Personally I disagree with drafting another guard if we are able to swipe Mayo. If we get a pick in that 10-12 range, I would target Joe Alexander/Deandre Jordan/Anthony Randolph
Lee is 25 and better than anyone your getting past the top 5-6. He's 25, uber athletic double double guy that scores at 55% plus. That for a team that hasnt coached him in 2 years and who's offense consists of chucking the ball at the rim.

Dont you want to see him in a motion offense running around getting open looks?
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6/5/2008  8:48 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by joec32033:

If we were willing to give up Lee+Malik, I think we could get a top 10-12 pick.

Personally I disagree with drafting another guard if we are able to swipe Mayo. If we get a pick in that 10-12 range, I would target Joe Alexander/Deandre Jordan/Anthony Randolph
Lee is 25 and better than anyone your getting past the top 5-6. He's 25, uber athletic double double guy that scores at 55% plus. That for a team that hasnt coached him in 2 years and who's offense consists of chucking the ball at the rim.

Dont you want to see him in a motion offense running around getting open looks?

I think that Lee is better than anyone in that range now but his ceiling is also lower. I project Lee out to around 17 and 10 if he wasn't the only guy on the floor concerned with rebounding.
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6/5/2008  8:59 AM
ok.. do 17/10 players that shoot over 50% grow on trees? Search NBA rosters.. its not like every team has a couple of those guys to spare.

Look.. I am with you in that we need to upgrade many areas. Its hard to envision anyone on this roster doing anything good after what we have seen but its possible. None of the players on this roster except Curry have really been put in a position to suceed under Isiah. Not saying Mike D and Walsh will squeeze blood from a stone but I do think we will get a better look at what these players can do in a better system

If we trade Lee it better be a damn good deal with someone named Beasley, Rose or Mayo involved, and I am not talking Jalen or Malik
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6/5/2008  9:22 AM
david lee is going to average 17 a game on putbacks and a couple open jumpers a night?
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6/5/2008  9:42 AM
He avg'd 11 pts & 29 minutes last year (with no offensive system whatsoever). That's 15 pts for 40 minutes. Sprinkle in an offensive system that is tailor made for him & you have a possibility of 17. Just have to dump ZNo.
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6/5/2008  9:47 AM
Posted by purple012870:

He avg'd 11 pts & 29 minutes last year (with no offensive system whatsoever). That's 15 pts for 40 minutes. Sprinkle in an offensive system that is tailor made for him & you have a possibility of 17. Just have to dump ZNo.

big difference playing the majority of your minutes against other reserves vs starting games having to match up with guys like KG Bosh etc...the type of guys that work you over on the offensive end and tire you, get you in foul trouble, make a coach have to sit you for a better defensive option
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6/5/2008  9:55 AM
Posted by purple012870:

He avg'd 11 pts & 29 minutes last year (with no offensive system whatsoever). That's 15 pts for 40 minutes. Sprinkle in an offensive system that is tailor made for him & you have a possibility of 17. Just have to dump ZNo.
yea.. and that being stuck behind two of the biggest black holes in the NBA in Curry/Zach

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6/5/2008  9:59 AM
just to amend... I do not expect David Lee to become a perenial all star but guys do get better after 24 years old. Look at David West for one.

I do think David can be a very good player on a winning team. Hopefully ours.
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6/5/2008  10:12 AM
Posted by fishmike:

ok.. do 17/10 players that shoot over 50% grow on trees? Search NBA rosters.. its not like every team has a couple of those guys to spare.

Look.. I am with you in that we need to upgrade many areas. Its hard to envision anyone on this roster doing anything good after what we have seen but its possible. None of the players on this roster except Curry have really been put in a position to suceed under Isiah. Not saying Mike D and Walsh will squeeze blood from a stone but I do think we will get a better look at what these players can do in a better system

If we trade Lee it better be a damn good deal with someone named Beasley, Rose or Mayo involved, and I am not talking Jalen or Malik

I agree woth you to a point. To me guys like Lee are best on good teams and best when locked up in terms of contract before they explode. Those stats are close to the equivilant of Rasheed Wallace. Lee strikes me as a notch below him because I don't think Lee will develop a 3 point shot, he is sort of a sf/pf tweener, he doesn't have Rasheed's leadership qualities, and he isn't 6-11.

My other concern is resigning him, albeit to a lesser extent. I see Lee as a 7-8 mil player max. If they can resign him to a contract like that, great, but I bet he gets a 9-11 mil deal as a FA. Granted, like Zach we don't have to do anything now, but I am open to moving him for the right price.
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6/5/2008  10:13 AM
west and lee were and are two totally different ball-players

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6/5/2008  10:32 AM
Posted by McK1:

west and lee were and are two totally different ball-players
yea.. and West took longer to be a good NBA player. He was a great college player but fell in the draft as most thought he wasnt NBA material (18th pick). Sweetney, Jarvis Hayes, Collison, Marcus Banks, Troy Bell, Ridnour, and how can we forget Zarko Cabarkapapdfjrekda were all picked before West.

I just think Lee has shown enough to be given the benefit of the doubt here.
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Posted by fishmike:
Posted by McK1:

west and lee were and are two totally different ball-players
yea.. and West took longer to be a good NBA player. He was a great college player but fell in the draft as most thought he wasnt NBA material (18th pick). Sweetney, Jarvis Hayes, Collison, Marcus Banks, Troy Bell, Ridnour, and how can we forget Zarko Cabarkapapdfjrekda were all picked before West.

I just think Lee has shown enough to be given the benefit of the doubt here.

by year 3, after missing most of year 2, west was the focal point putting up 17 a game. lee is going into yr 4 and we are still hoping he deveops a 15 ft jumper...

i think lee is who is, a garbage pail guy who has maxed out as far as what he will be scoring wise. i feel most his biggest gain offensively playing up tempo will show up on the stat sheet in the category of assists. i do think lee may be able to avg 11 and 11 with 4 assists if allowed to be more of a facilitator in the offense

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6/5/2008  10:53 AM
lee will probably max out to be a camby type offensive player scoring wise.
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