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6/4/2008  11:34 AM
Memphis owner now questions value of Gasol deal
By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports Jun 3, 2:45 pm EDT

For months now, maybe the man most responsible for Los Angeles’ championship run has been ripped over the Pau Gasol trade. The mere mention of suspicions over Memphis’ motives gets the Grizzlies owner’s voice rising on the telephone, gets him going on the gossip that suggests something unseemly happened on the way to a Lakers renaissance.

Michael Heisley starts to ask, well, who is ripping Minnesota for the Kevin Garnett trade?

How about Seattle and Ray Allen?

“Is anybody jumping on Popovich in San Antonio because he traded that center to Houston for virtually nothing?” Heisley wondered.

Heisley was talking about Luis Scola, the forward, whom had been a long-ago draft pick of the Spurs. Only problem was, Scola never played a minute for the four-time champions. Gasol was the Grizzlies’ franchise player, and it was Spurs coach Gregg Popovich saying on the record what most of his peers had only the guts to say without attribution: What in the world was Memphis management thinking on the Gasol trade?

When much of the league was determined to make a serious bid for the 7-footer, how could Memphis settle so long before the February trade deadline for such a paltry offer out of the Lakers?

For the first time, even Heisley wondered whether his general manager, Chris Wallace, blew it by caving so soon to the Lakers.

“I don’t know if I got the most value,” Heisley confessed. “Maybe our people should’ve shopped (Gasol) more and maybe we would’ve gotten more, done a better deal. Maybe Chris did call every team in the league. I don’t think he did, but maybe he should’ve…”

Around the league, nothing will change this belief: Whatever the reasoning, this was one of the NBA’s worst trades in years. Most of all, rival executives wonder why they never had a chance to submit a best offer. For Gasol, the 7-footer who transformed the Lakers in the absence of Andrew Bynum, the Grizzlies were willing to take back the expiring contract of Kwame Brown, rookie point guard Javaris Crittenton, two future No. 1 picks and the draft rights to Gasol’s brother, Marc.

Crittenton is nothing special, and those draft picks in 2008 and 2010 will be near, if not at the end of, the first round. Gasol had demanded a trade out of Memphis, had been moping around, giving less than his best. Yes, he had to go, but you don’t trade your franchise player without getting back a minimum of a sure-thing young star and/or two solid young starters. For Memphis, salary-cap space will probably turn out to be money that’ll never make it back into the roster.

The one-sided nature of the trade inspired a lot of people to believe that retired Memphis GM, Jerry West, a Lakers’ legend, played a part in facilitating the deal. West was instrumental recruiting Wallace as his replacement in Memphis and still holds a close relationship with Heisley. His history in Los Angeles, especially his bond with Lakers GM Mitch Kupchak and star Kobe Bryant, made even the fair-minded cynical about the scenario.

Several sources close to the process insist West played no part, and Heisley swears, “Jerry didn’t know about the trade until after it was done.”

Still, it hasn’t stopped a rampant anger around the league that this wasn’t so much of a trade, as much as it was the word that Bryant himself used: a “donation.” Privately, the Lakers were thrilled that they were able to keep negotiations with the Grizzlies quiet because Los Angeles officials were blown away that they could get Gasol for so little.

One source with knowledge of the process said the Bulls had made the most credible offer. For Gasol and Memphis’ Hakim Warrick, the Bulls were willing to part with Andres Nocioni, Tyrus Thomas, Joakim Noah, Thabo Sefolosha, possibly Adrian Griffin and draft picks.

Heisley didn’t offer up those names, but insisted, “Chicago wouldn’t offer us any of their good, core players,” he said. “Our people told me that we weren’t able to get equal trade value for Gasol and that we needed to do a deal that would give us cap space and draft picks. It was no secret in the league that we were considering offers for him, but the Lakers were the one team that stepped up.”

Heisley has been losing money in Memphis, a small market where the franchise has come to flounder. He tried to sell the team, but no one has reached his asking price. Around the league there are those who believe that Wallace was forced to turn the Gasol trade into a salary dump, and there are league officials, including a close friend, who believe, “There is no way that Chris ever would’ve made that trade on his own.”

“I have no buyer’s remorse,” Heisley said. “Listen, I can’t tell you how many people would tell me, wherever I went in Memphis, ‘Get rid of Gasol. …Trade Gasol.’ And then some of the same people are booing us because we traded him. But I don’t mind that. I’m a big boy. I can take it.”

He could live with watching Gasol playing an immense part in bringing the Lakers to the Finals, but he just wonders: When do we get our just reward for gutting this roster, for relentless futility? He keeps watching teams with better records get the luck of the bouncing balls in the draft lottery and the Grizzlies never get that transcendent player to save the franchise’s fortunes. Memphis missed on LeBron James and just one year ago, with the worst record in the sport, they still didn’t get a top two pick to take Greg Oden or Kevin Durant.

“We’ve been in the lottery more than anyone in the NBA, and we’ve definitely had the worst record twice as much as anyone else,” Heisley said. “This is sure a fantastic system we have – isn’t it? – where we’ve never gotten the No. 1 pick. Our ticket sales just stopped last year when we didn’t get one of the top picks. What’s the sense in of all this?”

The Grizzlies have been waiting for something, for someone to save them – maybe the bouncing the ball, maybe dumb luck – but they’ve done little to help themselves. The owner of the Memphis Grizzlies says, yes, come to him with criticism for the Gasol trade because he had the power to stop it. Now, he’s watched the Lakers rush to the NBA Finals, the immense impact Gasol has had with Bryant, and he’s asking the same question the rest of the league hasn’t stopped grumbling for months.

Did the Grizzlies get the best value possible for Pau Gasol?

“I don’t know if I got the most value,” he said.

Even so, you get the idea that, yes, the man most responsible for the Lakers’ championship run does know now.

Between February and now, that truth hasn’t changed. The answer’s still the same.

No way.

Not even close.
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6/4/2008  11:35 AM
What a jackass. You just can't take guys like this seriously.
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6/4/2008  11:43 AM
Give this man some _________ to go with his ________!






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6/4/2008  12:21 PM
As bad as the KG trade was, at least the Wolves got Al Jefferson in return.

This guy traded the franchise's best player ever for Kwame Brown.

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6/4/2008  12:45 PM
Pau is good, but even better in the right system. They sucked with him, and still suck.

Pau is a real good passer and rebounder. That is not franchise stuff but the stuff that wins. Pau on the knicks last year would have been a joke.

Memphis, like NO was a stupid move for those owners. Short sighted and and took short term incentives to move.

NO at least got it together to win, and winning fills seats.

The Grizz took a dump and thats all there is to it. Bulls had a good package but Grizz would have kept salary.
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6/4/2008  12:58 PM
Posted by K22:

As bad as the KG trade was, at least the Wolves got Al Jefferson in return.

This guy traded the franchise's best player ever for Kwame Brown.

He's an idiot for hiring him.

Wallace let Joe Johnson get away(for Tony Delk and Rodney Rogers) in Boston after he drafted him along with Joe Forte, Kedrick Brown when he could have drafted(Richard Jefferson, Zach Randolph, Jamal Tinsley, Tony Parker, Gerald Wallace, Samuel Dalembert, Gilbert Arenas, Memet Okur....instead of those last two bums who aren't even in the league anymore and haven't been for a while). He did the same with Chauncey Billups trading him for Kenny Andersen. Traded for Gin and Juice Baker and I believe their 2002 draft picks. The dude was a nightmare GM.

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6/4/2008  1:15 PM
when you read this is says one thing. That Memphis pick can be bought. So can Mike Miller. Buy the 2nd NJ and late Sea pick for cash. Package those w/ Malik and $3mm for Mike Miller and the #5 pick.
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6/4/2008  1:21 PM
Posted by K22:

As bad as the KG trade was, at least the Wolves got Al Jefferson in return.

This guy traded the franchise's best player ever for Kwame Brown.

Kwame Brown, rookie point guard Javaris Crittenton, two future No. 1 picks and the draft rights to Gasol’s brother, Marc.

seems like pretty good value to me for a team going absolutely nowhere w/a guy who was on the hook for max level dollars for years to come... but what the hell do i know.
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6/4/2008  1:25 PM
Thats not really a realistic deal memphis is not giving you their best shooter. I think a more likely deal would be david lee/malik rose for brian cardinal and the #5, thats a deal i would do in a hearbeat. You have a realistic chance at Mayo and perhaps you can add someone like Randolf as well.














































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6/4/2008  1:30 PM
Posted by MS:

Thats not really a realistic deal memphis is not giving you their best shooter. I think a more likely deal would be david lee/malik rose for brian cardinal and the #5, thats a deal i would do in a hearbeat. You have a realistic chance at Mayo and perhaps you can add someone like Randolf as well.
Would I do that? Is the #5 pick going to get us a better player than David Lee? I have my doubts and might prefer to see what Lee can do in a motion oriented system like Mike's. Now if you flip both those picks to Miami for Beasley thats a different story... but for just the 5 I dont think so

I want to waive $3mm in cold cash at an owner who is losing money and see what we can get. I am not thinking in terms of BB sense here. The Gasol trade is a good example. That trade doesnt help them do anything besides bleed more money

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6/4/2008  1:32 PM
The Jerry West angle is interesting. You have to think that all of the other guys who have a job to improve their team would have expressed an interest in acquiring Pau and that at least some would have come up with a remarkably better offer. I think Stern should be questioned about this and about letting it go through. It is interesting that the two most popular teams in modern NBA history acquired two of the biggest stars over the course of the last twelve months. If you factor in McHale and West (if he was involved)having a role, this looks very suspicious to say the least. Stern obviously wants to make the game more popular and Detroit/San Antonio championships do not bring out the pseudo fans like LA Boston.
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6/4/2008  1:34 PM
crush... great. Hope its NYs turn next
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6/4/2008  2:43 PM
If you go with a conspiracy theory, I think you could say that Chicago got next. I don't think Dolan is getting any breaks as long as Isiah is associated with the Knicks.
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6/4/2008  2:44 PM
Posted by fishmike:

crush... great. Hope its NYs turn next

LOL if that is the case and keeping in line with both the LA and boston trades, we are looking at Zach, balkman and pick #6 to the cavs for lebron...

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6/4/2008  5:57 PM
Posted by K22:

As bad as the KG trade was, at least the Wolves got Al Jefferson in return.

This guy traded the franchise's best player ever for Kwame Brown.

I didn't think Minn made a bad trade. When you trade old for young, you have to pay a premium. Jefferson is a very good young player. One of the picks they got was getting their own pick back (they traded it to Boston the previous year) which is the third pick in this draft.
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6/4/2008  9:45 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by K22:

As bad as the KG trade was, at least the Wolves got Al Jefferson in return.

This guy traded the franchise's best player ever for Kwame Brown.

Kwame Brown, rookie point guard Javaris Crittenton, two future No. 1 picks and the draft rights to Gasol’s brother, Marc.

seems like pretty good value to me for a team going absolutely nowhere w/a guy who was on the hook for max level dollars for years to come... but what the hell do i know.

and with trades like that they will continue to go absolutely nowhere

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6/5/2008  2:13 AM
Posted by Bobby:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by K22:

As bad as the KG trade was, at least the Wolves got Al Jefferson in return.

This guy traded the franchise's best player ever for Kwame Brown.

Kwame Brown, rookie point guard Javaris Crittenton, two future No. 1 picks and the draft rights to Gasol’s brother, Marc.

seems like pretty good value to me for a team going absolutely nowhere w/a guy who was on the hook for max level dollars for years to come... but what the hell do i know.

and with trades like that they will continue to go absolutely nowhere

it all depends on what they do w/those picks... all i know is having Gasol on their roster taking up cap dollars w/their team still being crappy doesn't do anything at all for their franchise... it's not like people come out to the games to see Gasol play either... if there was a star like Kobe out there for them to have gotten back in a deal obviously that's the better option, but who was out there? at least now they have both cap flexibility & some nice young assets to facilitate a rebuild, something our own franchise could have used to their advantage a long time ago instead of adding bloated contracts on top of bloated contracts that haven't gotten us anywhere but worse if that was even possible.
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6/5/2008  5:28 AM
Posted by CrushAlot:

The Jerry West angle is interesting. You have to think that all of the other guys who have a job to improve their team would have expressed an interest in acquiring Pau and that at least some would have come up with a remarkably better offer. I think Stern should be questioned about this and about letting it go through. It is interesting that the two most popular teams in modern NBA history acquired two of the biggest stars over the course of the last twelve months. If you factor in McHale and West (if he was involved)having a role, this looks very suspicious to say the least. Stern obviously wants to make the game more popular and Detroit/San Antonio championships do not bring out the pseudo fans like LA Boston.

These kind of trades would never take place in Hockey.

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6/5/2008  5:35 AM
Posted by fishmike:

when you read this is says one thing. That Memphis pick can be bought. So can Mike Miller. Buy the 2nd NJ and late Sea pick for cash. Package those w/ Malik and $3mm for Mike Miller and the #5 pick.

I was thinking the same thing reading this. I say we put some pressure on Memphis to take that pick. I would love to acquire multiple picks in this draft and start over again like Portland did last year.
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6/5/2008  8:11 AM
Posted by izybx:
Posted by fishmike:

when you read this is says one thing. That Memphis pick can be bought. So can Mike Miller. Buy the 2nd NJ and late Sea pick for cash. Package those w/ Malik and $3mm for Mike Miller and the #5 pick.

I was thinking the same thing reading this. I say we put some pressure on Memphis to take that pick. I would love to acquire multiple picks in this draft and start over again like Portland did last year.
we waisted $37mm to draft Balkman. There are good players in this draft but its not oozing w/ franchise talent. Waive that $3mm at owners and see if they bite

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