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5/31/2008  4:33 PM
EG has a better body, can get to the hole with the best of them and is a better shooter. Westbrook doesnt have a true position, isnt a great shooter and is a hell of defender. In the war room which one fits better for MD system? EG is going top 7 because of his ability to stroke it from anywhere
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5/31/2008  4:44 PM
Gordon is the better fit for the Knicks system. With the lack of true pgs in the draft I'm not opposed to drafting Gordon if Bayless, Mayo and Randolph are off the board. I don't like what Bilas said about him that he has no handle but then I realized Bilas is a terrible evaluator of talent that is why he is doing television and not on anyones sidelines or scouting team.

Besides with the system that D'Antoni might implement here Gordon would thrive in it. The ability to knock down shots is so important and players that spread the floor are of most importance. With Curry the best thing to do is allow him space to make shots. The Knicks priority is point guard but I think crawford could man the point. But the main thing is to try and get a replacement for crawford as all the crap players that the Knicks have need to be gone.
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5/31/2008  5:36 PM
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EG has a better body, can get to the hole with the best of them and is a better shooter. Westbrook doesnt have a true position, isnt a great shooter and is a hell of defender. In the war room which one fits better for MD system? EG is going top 7 because of his ability to stroke it from anywhere

I dont know about you but I think we have enough me first players. Westbrook is the better all-around team player who is a better passer rebounder defender and plays a team game. We need team players.
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EG has a better body, can get to the hole with the best of them and is a better shooter. Westbrook doesnt have a true position, isnt a great shooter and is a hell of defender. In the war room which one fits better for MD system? EG is going top 7 because of his ability to stroke it from anywhere

I dont know about you but I think we have enough me first players. Westbrook is the better all-around team player who is a better passer rebounder defender and plays a team game. We need team players.If Westbrook was able to take the same # of FGA he would score the same number of points. He can score--he was in an awful program for his style of play. If he played on a fast=paced team and he was the primary scorer he would avaerage 20 points but still shoot 46-48% and give you the D R P. Westbrook is a MUCH faster player than Gordon.

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5/31/2008  6:03 PM
Totally agree that westbrook is a team player but EG isnt selfish and he can play fast also. UCLA doesnt play fast at all so we dont know what Westbrook would do in a 48 minute game. I think Augustin is a better fit than Westbrook. Now if you were emphasizing defense thenj Russell is a no brainer.
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5/31/2008  6:08 PM
I don't think you draft 6th to pick a "Westbrook" type of player IMO. Maybe if we were some playoff team that needed a shooting guard and traded our way into this pick, but not as a rebuilding team.
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5/31/2008  6:19 PM
Westbrook is a selfless, coach-able team player who can take it to the hole, defend better than any player in this draft & play 94 feet. Other than D Rose, he was the best athlete on the floor in the Memphis/UCLA games.

Yeah...this is exactly what we start to rebuild with (as opposed to Gordon, who is a selfish bomber who, due to a lack of quicks & hops, will really struggle to finish inside of 15 feet from the hoop in the league.
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5/31/2008  6:22 PM
EG was on a team that needed him to score. He got hurt at the end of the year. This is a offensive league and EG has those skill and character wise he will score well also. Well spoken never been in trouble and knows how to play the game. I think Westbrook is a great player but drafting a 6-3 2 guard at number 6 is a risk to me.
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5/31/2008  6:26 PM
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EG was on a team that needed him to score. He got hurt at the end of the year. This is a offensive league and EG has those skill and character wise he will score well also. Well spoken never been in trouble and knows how to play the game. I think Westbrook is a great player but drafting a 6-3 2 guard at number 6 is a risk to me.

How tall do you think Gordon is? Anyway I think Russell Westbrook=Monta Ellis. In an uptempo system Westbrook can use every skill set he needs. How many 3 point shots does Monta ellis take--not many but he canb score 20 points and shoot 50% and he is 6-3 175.
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5/31/2008  6:27 PM
Purple if for one second you think EG isnt athletic then you watch no basketball. That guy can put his pecker on the rim and will show it in workouts. It is just a metter of time EG and Speights and Courtney Lee shoot up the draft boards.
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5/31/2008  6:33 PM
EG excelled against crap and spit the bit against all the decent teams he played against. He is not in Westbrook's league athletically. I also think Lee is an avg athlete. He looks the part, and is also a good kid, but the guy on W Ky team that carried the mail was Ty Brazleton.
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5/31/2008  6:35 PM
Purple how many players played with a broken wrist had the coach get toward the end of the year, and didnt quit and kept playing. EG is a gamer, is tough, and a hard worker. Courtney Lee can flat out shoot it and will be a great pick up 20-34 by someone that wants a shooter. For all Knicks fans since you havent had one for years a shooter is a person who can stand behind the line that counts as three points and make shots at a 37% clip.
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5/31/2008  6:36 PM
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Purple if for one second you think EG isnt athletic then you watch no basketball. That guy can put his pecker on the rim and will show it in workouts. It is just a metter of time EG and Speights and Courtney Lee shoot up the draft boards.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3966
King 1 would you be happy with this production from a 2G? This guy is 6-3 177 20-5-4 53% and only took 50 3 point shots all YEAR. Eric Gordon would like to shoot 50 3 pointers in game if he could and only shot 33% from COLLEGE 3. He is athletic but no where near as fast as Westbrook. He uses his body to get to rim while Westbrook and Ellis use lanes speed and length at the rim.
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5/31/2008  6:41 PM
Briggs you get Randolph, Westbrook, and I will take Speights and EG and we will see who is right. You can have the stiff from Nevada as a free pick and I will take Courtney Lee. I dont care about the draft i just want steph and Zach gone.
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5/31/2008  6:43 PM
Briggs Westbrook was the 3rd option on his college team that is the guy that teams let shoot the ball. EG was getting guarded by the best defender and was in a messed up situation at IU with Kelvin the clown.
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5/31/2008  6:47 PM
This is how Eric Gordon plays sit on perimeter looking for 30 footer

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PZidKHOPlx0

This is how Westbrook plays attack attack attack on both ends tenacious

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FP0ua5xFw4&feature=related

in open system this kid is a nightmare to guard but also brings first team all NBA defense on a team devoid of it.
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5/31/2008  6:47 PM
Eric Gordon was pick 1a in my draft in March until I got a chance to see Mayo in the flesh. He slide down to 4 afterwards because I felt it may be worth the risk to draft a project who plays defense if it's at all possible we still try a somewhat rebuild.

So my draft board in terms of want goes

Beasley
Mayo
Jordan
Gordon
Bayless
Rose
Westbrook


If Gordon is there when we pick assuming Mayo and Beasley are gone he's the guy I want and have wanted all along, because I feel he is going to be available from where we were slated to pick.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-31-2008 6:13 PM]
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5/31/2008  6:50 PM
Okay if someone could find this because I am too dumb to use you tube. How many points did Westbrook score in the half court last year off isolation or pick and roll plays. Everytime I watched he was getting layups or steals ion transition. If your going to be pick 6 you better be able to score in a half court set and run a pick and roll. Time will tell workouts start soon
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5/31/2008  7:04 PM
Posted by King1:

Okay if someone could find this because I am too dumb to use you tube. How many points did Westbrook score in the half court last year off isolation or pick and roll plays. Everytime I watched he was getting layups or steals ion transition. If your going to be pick 6 you better be able to score in a half court set and run a pick and roll. Time will tell workouts start soon


If you watch how the Suns play--they do not emphasize halfcourt--like I mentioned look at Monta Ellis --howhe plays for GS.
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5/31/2008  7:19 PM
If you watch the suns they dont emphasize defense either and that is westbrook strength. I think augustin, and EG are better fits and Westbrook skill set and getting to the hole scares me. I love talking about the draft with you Briggs because you watch a lot of basketball also
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