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Will Eric Gordon be the sleeper of this draft?
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5/26/2008  11:50 PM
I've been gauging the board for a while and the one player whose name doesn't come up much in terms of who the Knicks should pick at 6 is Eric Gordon. The most prominent knock I see on this kid is his size or lack there of. Most are scared because he's not 6'6. But I've followed this kid all season, and saw a few of his televised high school and games and there is no doubt this kid is the goods.

Gordon is perhaps the best long range shooter in this draft. Pound for Pound he is one of the strongest players as well. His handle is better than people give him credit for. He's not Iverson with the ball, but he can cross up his man just enough to create space to get off his smooth shot.

The idea that Gordon is a sg in a pg's body is absurd. How many pg's in this league are 6'4 215? He's a legit SG. Wade, Richmond, Ray Allen, Andrew Toney, Dumars were all terrific SG's all 6'5 and under. The one thing they all had in common was they were all tremendous shooters (as is Gordon) all were strong and could absorb contact and finish a play (Gordon I believe was top 7 in Free Throw attempts and top 3 in Free throws made in the NCAA) and had tremendous understanding of the game. The more I think About Gordon and his game, the more intriguing he becomes. Shooting is a valuable commoditiy in this league, and this kid is a lights out shooter and can get to the line, 2 aspects we desperately need. He is going to be a big time scorer in this league and will flourish in D'Atoni's sytstem.

If Mayo and Randolph are off the board when we pick, I'm definitely taking Gordon. I would definitely take him over Westbrook.

Some of the mock drafts have him falling out of the top ten. I dont see it. The first half of the year in the NCAA, he was clearly the second best player in the country after Beasley until he hurt his wrist.

[Edited by - uptown on 05-26-2008 11:51 PM]

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5/27/2008  12:30 AM
I want him at where were picking more than any other player. I want to somehow get another pick and use it on Billy Walker. Eric Gordon is going to make a lot of people eat their words. If not I'll be eating my own.
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5/27/2008  1:51 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:

I want him at where were picking more than any other player. I want to somehow get another pick and use it on Billy Walker. Eric Gordon is going to make a lot of people eat their words. If not I'll be eating my own.

Yeah I think Gordon could be real good too, but I'm not sure exactly what caused his late season slump, and if he's over it by now. That's kinda the only reason why I'm not that high on him.
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5/27/2008  9:32 AM
Gordon - height less than ideal, ball handling less than ideal, shooting erratic (33% shooter from college 3 point line), athletically not in the Bayless, Westbrook category.....No thanks.
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5/27/2008  11:08 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:

I want him at where were picking more than any other player. I want to somehow get another pick and use it on Billy Walker. Eric Gordon is going to make a lot of people eat their words. If not I'll be eating my own.

I said that on the realgm board. I am not sure I want him with our 6th pick, but a lot of people are undervaluing this guy. he can shoot, defend, go to the hoop, is a good athlete, a very smart player... He is going to shock a lot of people.. and lets get this straight. We all love rose and mayo, but talent wise, it is very close with those guys, including gordon, don't be suprised if gordon is better than both...

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5/27/2008  11:12 AM
Posted by purple012870:

Gordon - height less than ideal, ball handling less than ideal, shooting erratic (33% shooter from college 3 point line), athletically not in the Bayless, Westbrook category.....No thanks.

westbrook and bayless are shorter than gordon, they may be better athletes, but that may be about it... gordon is a very good ball player, all the mess in indiana messed him up a bit this year, but the kid is a fantastica Ball player..
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5/27/2008  11:22 AM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by purple012870:

Gordon - height less than ideal, ball handling less than ideal, shooting erratic (33% shooter from college 3 point line), athletically not in the Bayless, Westbrook category.....No thanks.

westbrook and bayless are shorter than gordon, they may be better athletes, but that may be about it... gordon is a very good ball player, all the mess in indiana messed him up a bit this year, but the kid is a fantastica Ball player..


I'm not sure if they are better athletes. Fans get Gordon crossed up a lot because of how he finished and all the Baby Fat Porky Jokes. Go ahead Youtube some of his high school and college highlights the dude has MAD Athleticism. If Mayo and Bayless are the better athletes a healthy Gordon wrist he's by far a better shooter than them.

Look at his percentages Jan 23 and before
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/players/73142

The only you can say up to that point is he's a little turnover prone(Big Problem of his) and that has to do with trying to do too much or creating things that aren't there. Most young good offensive players goes through this at times.
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5/27/2008  12:07 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by purple012870:

Gordon - height less than ideal, ball handling less than ideal, shooting erratic (33% shooter from college 3 point line), athletically not in the Bayless, Westbrook category.....No thanks.

westbrook and bayless are shorter than gordon, they may be better athletes, but that may be about it... gordon is a very good ball player, all the mess in indiana messed him up a bit this year, but the kid is a fantastica Ball player..


I'm not sure if they are better athletes. Fans get Gordon crossed up a lot because of how he finished and all the Baby Fat Porky Jokes. Go ahead Youtube some of his high school and college highlights the dude has MAD Athleticism. If Mayo and Bayless are the better athletes a healthy Gordon wrist he's by far a better shooter than them.

Look at his percentages Jan 23 and before
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/players/73142

The only you can say up to that point is he's a little turnover prone(Big Problem of his) and that has to do with trying to do too much or creating things that aren't there. Most young good offensive players goes through this at times.

Good point, I remember seeing gordon throw it down, the kid can get up, again, he looks a littly chunky and awkward, but he is effective and is a good athelte for sure..
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5/27/2008  1:06 PM
Take a look at the teams IU played before 1/23. The only decent team was Xavier & Gordon went 4-14 from the field.

For me, Gordon is definitely a throw the remote pick.
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5/27/2008  3:08 PM
Posted by purple012870:

Take a look at the teams IU played before 1/23. The only decent team was Xavier & Gordon went 4-14 from the field.

For me, Gordon is definitely a throw the remote pick.


ROFL..... you sound like me and my remote..... all of my remotes at one time or another have had tape or some other substance to hold them together.
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5/27/2008  3:14 PM
Posted by purple012870:

Take a look at the teams IU played before 1/23. The only decent team was Xavier & Gordon went 4-14 from the field.

For me, Gordon is definitely a throw the remote pick.

Uconn shut him down hard. He could not get inside and he had no idea what to do when he saw Thabeet inside and AJ price ate him up on the perimeter and he's only an OK defender.
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5/27/2008  3:53 PM
Posted by purple012870:

Gordon - height less than ideal, ball handling less than ideal, shooting erratic (33% shooter from college 3 point line), athletically not in the Bayless, Westbrook category.....No thanks.

First off, Gordon is a shooting guard who was forced to create his own offense at IU because they didn't have a legit pg. Reggie, Rip, and Ray Allen have made a career out of curling off screens without having to put the ball on the hardwood for more then two dribbles. Gordon can flourish in this role despite the fact that he CAN create off the dribble if he needs to.

His shooting % dropped after he hurt his wrist. As Trublue said, check his %'s before the injury. This kid without question was the 2nd best freshman in the country for most of the first half of the season.

Gordon is much stronger than both Bayless and Westbrook and just as athletic. Undersized or no, Gordon is a legit scoring guard. What position will Westbrook flourish in? He's never played the point and at 187, I doubt he can hold his own at the 2.
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5/27/2008  4:19 PM
The guy is a basketball player. He was in a bad situation at IU and he a very good shooter. He is a great athlete and a good kid. He will be a very good defensive player in the NBA. I have been his biggest proponent on this board and will go down in flames supporting him.
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5/27/2008  4:24 PM
Sorry...he's not near the athlete Bayless & Westbrook are. Neither of which, by the way, ran off screens. Both created their own offense. Eric Gordon is a poor man's Ben Gordon (bigger yes...but less ability in every other respect).
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5/27/2008  4:36 PM
Posted by King1:

The guy is a basketball player. He was in a bad situation at IU and he a very good shooter. He is a great athlete and a good kid. He will be a very good defensive player in the NBA. I have been his biggest proponent on this board and will go down in flames supporting him.

Second to me. Can't wait to see where this kid goes.
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5/27/2008  4:36 PM
Posted by purple012870:

Sorry...he's not near the athlete Bayless & Westbrook are. Neither of which, by the way, ran off screens. Both created their own offense. Eric Gordon is a poor man's Ben Gordon (bigger yes...but less ability in every other respect).

You seriously don't know what you're talking about.
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5/27/2008  4:37 PM
I have no idea when you watched EG but he shot 277 free throws last year versus Bayless 223 and Westbrook 150. EG shot 43% from the field, he was the focal point. Bayless shot 45 and had other players around him. Westbrook shot 46% and was on the most talented team. EG has a body that can take a hit right now the others dont. So for you to say EG came off screens is wrong.
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5/27/2008  4:38 PM
Posted by purple012870:

Sorry...he's not near the athlete Bayless & Westbrook are. Neither of which, by the way, ran off screens. Both created their own offense. Eric Gordon is a poor man's Ben Gordon (bigger yes...but less ability in every other respect).

Since Eric and Ben have the same last name, does that warrant a comparison? Ben Gordon is 6'1 200lbs. Eric Gordon is much better prospect than Ben Gordon. He's stronger, bigger, gets to the line more, is a better defender, and has longer arms. The better comparison is Mitch Richmond with more range.

Who cares if he's a better athlete than Bayless and Westbrook? Harold Miner is a better athlete than all of them and where is he now? Stop getting caught up in all the numbers, and realize that is a straight up baller. There are a number of guys who was supposed to be too short, or too skinny, or too fat, or too slow etc. but still these players flourished because they could ball. Gordon can ball and will be a very good player in this league.

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5/27/2008  4:39 PM
Posted by King1:

I have no idea when you watched EG but he shot 277 free throws last year versus Bayless 223 and Westbrook 150. EG shot 43% from the field, he was the focal point. Bayless shot 45 and had other players around him. Westbrook shot 46% and was on the most talented team. EG has a body that can take a hit right now the others dont. So for you to say EG came off screens is wrong.

Yeah agreed the guy has almost unlimited range on his jumper. He would pull up and shoot right over the top of defenses.
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5/27/2008  4:45 PM
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by purple012870:

Sorry...he's not near the athlete Bayless & Westbrook are. Neither of which, by the way, ran off screens. Both created their own offense. Eric Gordon is a poor man's Ben Gordon (bigger yes...but less ability in every other respect).

Since Eric and Ben have the same last name, does that warrant a comparison? Ben Gordon is 6'1 200lbs. Eric Gordon is much better prospect than Ben Gordon. He's stronger, bigger, gets to the line more, is a better defender, and has longer arms. The better comparison is Mitch Richmond.

Who cares if he's a better athlete than Bayless and Westbrook? Harold Miner is a better athlete than all of them and where is he now? Stop getting caught up in all the numbers, and realize that is a straight up baller. There are a number of guys who was supposed to be too short, or too skinny, or too fat, or too slow etc. but still these players flourished because they could ball. Gordon can ball and will be a very good player in this league.

Earl Boykins, Daniel Gibson, Luther Head, Chris Paul, Tony Parker, Chris Quinn, Sergio Rodriguez, Brevin Knight although point guards these guys are slight of built and have proven they can play in this league. I'd like to think Gordon has just as much if not more skills than most of these guys to prove himself even more so in the league.
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