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5/26/2008  5:39 PM
So there you have it. Walsh is going for LeBron. I'm not sure we should draft Gallinari. I really think we should concentrate on a center. I think this would be our best shot at drafting a decent one.

We can pick up guards a dime a dozen the next two years, but a good center is hard to come by.

I just hope we don't go drafting mayo.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2008/05/21/2008-05-21_mike_dantoni_has_italian_tie_to_draft.html

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5/26/2008  7:01 PM
we should draft the player who has the best chance to help this team improve & let the chips fall where they may... going after Lebron or not doesn't weigh into this, that's not gonna have a chance of happening for another couple years.

thanks for the article... at least i'm not the only one who sees a little Toni Kukoc in this kid
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5/26/2008  7:50 PM
There are so many other players in this draft with talent projections higher than a player of Kucok's caliber. I could care less what his similarities are. I have no opinion on him personally other than to say the recent Euro's before him were supposed to be the next Kucok, Dirk, Gasol, Petrovic, Sabonis, Schrempf Surunas, etc etc and as of recent the Euro's haven't panned out that well say the past 3-4yrs. Personally since playoffs or bust is what we're looking at in the here and now, we better pick BPA at 6, although I wish we were building a team differently.
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5/26/2008  8:29 PM
i thought i just said to draft the BPA at the slot... don't get upset over the fact that some writer sees the same similarities in his game that i did... anyway, there's alot of player comparisons being made to NCAA prospects too... Wasn't Qyntel Woods supposed to be the next Tracy McGrady? Michael Sweetney the next Elton Brand? Marcus Williams the next Mark Jackson? the list goes on... you make it sound as if only Euro prospects have fallen short of living up to the comparisons here... gimme a break.
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5/26/2008  8:41 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:

There are so many other players in this draft with talent projections higher than a player of Kucok's caliber. I could care less what his similarities are. I have no opinion on him personally other than to say the recent Euro's before him were supposed to be the next Kucok, Dirk, Gasol, Petrovic, Sabonis, Schrempf Surunas, etc etc and as of recent the Euro's haven't panned out that well say the past 3-4yrs. Personally since playoffs or bust is what we're looking at in the here and now, we better pick BPA at 6, although I wish we were building a team differently.

You can also say that about every college player in the draft. He is the next Jordan, Ewing, Magic Johnson and on and on but a lot of college players also do not pan out. Gotta look international players like any other college. The only difference is that we have first hand knowledge on the college kids due to TV coverage.
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5/26/2008  9:35 PM
Posted by TMS:

i thought i just said to draft the BPA at the slot... don't get upset over the fact that some writer sees the same similarities in his game that i did... anyway, there's alot of player comparisons being made to NCAA prospects too... Wasn't Qyntel Woods supposed to be the next Tracy McGrady? Michael Sweetney the next Elton Brand? Marcus Williams the next Mark Jackson? the list goes on... you make it sound as if only Euro prospects have fallen short of living up to the comparisons here... gimme a break.

No Because Jay Bilas said he's better than Bargnani was at this point, who many said Bargs was better than Dirk at the point he entered the draft. I'm saying I'm not worried about what his player comparison is vs us picking BPA. And I don't think he'll be BPA at 6 where we're picking, especially if his comparison is Toni Kucok.
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5/26/2008  10:36 PM
Posted by 4949:

So there you have it. Walsh is going for LeBron. I'm not sure we should draft Gallinari. I really think we should concentrate on a center. I think this would be our best shot at drafting a decent one.

We can pick up guards a dime a dozen the next two years, but a good center is hard to come by.

I just hope we don't go drafting mayo.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2008/05/21/2008-05-21_mike_dantoni_has_italian_tie_to_draft.html

You can go after him but that doesn't mean your getting him. Keep dreaming 4949 because thats what teams going no where sell to their fans a dream. I would like the Knicks to exercise a plan that doesn't focus on the long shots, because thats what LeBron is a long shot.
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5/27/2008  3:50 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by TMS:

i thought i just said to draft the BPA at the slot... don't get upset over the fact that some writer sees the same similarities in his game that i did... anyway, there's alot of player comparisons being made to NCAA prospects too... Wasn't Qyntel Woods supposed to be the next Tracy McGrady? Michael Sweetney the next Elton Brand? Marcus Williams the next Mark Jackson? the list goes on... you make it sound as if only Euro prospects have fallen short of living up to the comparisons here... gimme a break.

No Because Jay Bilas said he's better than Bargnani was at this point, who many said Bargs was better than Dirk at the point he entered the draft. I'm saying I'm not worried about what his player comparison is vs us picking BPA. And I don't think he'll be BPA at 6 where we're picking, especially if his comparison is Toni Kucok.

who knows if he'll be the BPA at #6 or not? there's likely gonna be someone that busts out of this draft class that no one even guessed would turn out to be any good... i know everyone wants to get their picks in now so they can own bragging rights about how they were talking up such & such prospect in this year's draft later on... "i knew this kid was gonna be crap" "i knew this kid was gonna be a stud"... it happens every year... for all we know the kid can be better than Kukoc & Bargnani or end up being a complete bust just like any other NCAA prospect we've seen.

anyway why do you put so much weight on what Jay Bilas says? you think the people who like DG around here are basing their entire opinions on that comparison? here's a clip of how Jay Bilas, Greg Anthony, Steven A, Dicky V & Dan Patrick were talking up Marcus Williams like there was no tomorrow in the '06 draft, calling him the best PG prospect that year over Rajon Rondo, Kyle Lowry, Jordan Farmar & Daniel Gibson... Bilas had him ranked #9 on his draft board & Greg Anthony said he reminded him a lot of Mark Jackson... so far their prodigy hasn't done anything to distinguish himself over any of those guys... should we have taken their word as gospel back then also? seems like a lot of people around here were sipping on the Marcus Williams kool-aid back then (& some still are)... every prospect is a wait & see situation & everyone has their own personal preferences... if you don't think DG's gonna be the BPA at #6 that's your best judgement call but everyone's just playing the guessing game at this point including the ESPN analysts.



[Edited by - TMS on 05-27-2008 12:54 AM]
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5/27/2008  8:01 AM
hmmm... hard nosed hustle players with a versatile offensive skill set playing in a league where only winning matters, not stats or personal performances.

If we draft him its because he was the right guy to pick.. Like TMS said
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5/27/2008  8:54 AM
PatCalathes> Danillo Gallinari--book it
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5/27/2008  9:25 AM
Im surprise no one has actually seen him play, I can't find any footage on this dude.
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5/27/2008  9:31 AM
brig... I am a bit surprised by that. Considering how much you chastise people for judging CBB talent when they haven't seem those players play but a clip here or there arent you doing the same? How much have you seen the guy play? I have read nothing but good about him, especially how tough he his.
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5/27/2008  10:21 AM
Knicks need to get the best player available. Its that simple. We can talk are junk, but that's what it comes down to. Stock pile good players, not dead dicks like jared, jerome, q, malik, etc......

I'm down for whoever they pick. Kevin Love, Joe Alexander, Spieghts(sp?), Bill walker, etc.....there are some decent names available. All would be honorable picks for us.

Unless the Knicks can pull a Boston and get 2 major players via trade, the Knicks should be looking to get more picks in this draft.
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5/27/2008  10:52 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by TMS:

i thought i just said to draft the BPA at the slot... don't get upset over the fact that some writer sees the same similarities in his game that i did... anyway, there's alot of player comparisons being made to NCAA prospects too... Wasn't Qyntel Woods supposed to be the next Tracy McGrady? Michael Sweetney the next Elton Brand? Marcus Williams the next Mark Jackson? the list goes on... you make it sound as if only Euro prospects have fallen short of living up to the comparisons here... gimme a break.

No Because Jay Bilas said he's better than Bargnani was at this point, who many said Bargs was better than Dirk at the point he entered the draft. I'm saying I'm not worried about what his player comparison is vs us picking BPA. And I don't think he'll be BPA at 6 where we're picking, especially if his comparison is Toni Kucok.

who knows if he'll be the BPA at #6 or not? there's likely gonna be someone that busts out of this draft class that no one even guessed would turn out to be any good... i know everyone wants to get their picks in now so they can own bragging rights about how they were talking up such & such prospect in this year's draft later on... "i knew this kid was gonna be crap" "i knew this kid was gonna be a stud"... it happens every year... for all we know the kid can be better than Kukoc & Bargnani or end up being a complete bust just like any other NCAA prospect we've seen.

anyway why do you put so much weight on what Jay Bilas says? you think the people who like DG around here are basing their entire opinions on that comparison? here's a clip of how Jay Bilas, Greg Anthony, Steven A, Dicky V & Dan Patrick were talking up Marcus Williams like there was no tomorrow in the '06 draft, calling him the best PG prospect that year over Rajon Rondo, Kyle Lowry, Jordan Farmar & Daniel Gibson... Bilas had him ranked #9 on his draft board & Greg Anthony said he reminded him a lot of Mark Jackson... so far their prodigy hasn't done anything to distinguish himself over any of those guys... should we have taken their word as gospel back then also? seems like a lot of people around here were sipping on the Marcus Williams kool-aid back then (& some still are)... every prospect is a wait & see situation & everyone has their own personal preferences... if you don't think DG's gonna be the BPA at #6 that's your best judgement call but everyone's just playing the guessing game at this point including the ESPN analysts.



[Edited by - TMS on 05-27-2008 12:54 AM]


You proved my point. Just because some analyst or writer agrees with your assessment of a player comparison is irrelevant and has no bearing if a player should or shouldn't be picked. It has no bearing if a player will succeed or won't in the NBA or if such player's skill's will translate to the NBA. My whole point of pointing out Bilas was to show someone who probably watches more basketball players in the flesh in one season than all of us combined in the past 7yrs can be just as wrong as the next guy about a prospect. Remember with you it's all about who's seen a player with their own eyes. At least initially many of these Top Analyst and beat writers can be very wrong and are just striking at the wind as the rest of us. You also have to factor in things like the rules of the game are different, being a star over there but not the man over here, their pay, having their coaches over here to properly develop them etc etc.

Let's make this clear on Marcus most wanted him over Balkman that's all and feel he'll be a better prospect than Balk. You're taking the Marcus Willimiams thing just a little too far my friend. Most fans who wanted Marcus felt we could of had both Balkman and Williams. Lo-And-Behold we're still looking for a point guard as we speak 3yrs removed from that draft.
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5/27/2008  11:31 AM
Posted by TMS:

we should draft the player who has the best chance to help this team improve & let the chips fall where they may... going after Lebron or not doesn't weigh into this, that's not gonna have a chance of happening for another couple years.

thanks for the article... at least i'm not the only one who sees a little Toni Kukoc in this kid

Well, here's the thing though. We have a two fold situation. In order to go for someone like LeBron, we have to make this team attractive again. I don't think anyone would be interested, if we don't try to set it up where we can show a player of that caliber, that we mean business and we are just one stars services away from seriously competing.

Letting the chips fall where they may can be a dangerous thing to do, if you ask me. Someone to take this ship and steer it right is long overdue.
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5/27/2008  11:34 AM
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So there you have it. Walsh is going for LeBron. I'm not sure we should draft Gallinari. I really think we should concentrate on a center. I think this would be our best shot at drafting a decent one.

We can pick up guards a dime a dozen the next two years, but a good center is hard to come by.

I just hope we don't go drafting mayo.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2008/05/21/2008-05-21_mike_dantoni_has_italian_tie_to_draft.html

You can go after him but that doesn't mean your getting him. Keep dreaming 4949 because thats what teams going no where sell to their fans a dream. I would like the Knicks to exercise a plan that doesn't focus on the long shots, because thats what LeBron is a long shot.

Unless you actually have something constructive to add to the conversation, please keep it to yourself. I'm tired of these defeatist attitudes.
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5/27/2008  11:43 AM
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PatCalathes> Danillo Gallinari--book it

I'd have to say this is probably going to be the most likely scenario. I hope it's because he's that good, with lots of potential and not just because there's a family connection with D'Antoni.

My top three centers, if we take one is:
Koufos
Lopez
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5/27/2008  11:45 AM
Posted by EnySpree:

Knicks need to get the best player available. Its that simple. We can talk are junk, but that's what it comes down to. Stock pile good players, not dead dicks like jared, jerome, q, malik, etc......

I'm down for whoever they pick. Kevin Love, Joe Alexander, Spieghts(sp?), Bill walker, etc.....there are some decent names available. All would be honorable picks for us.

Unless the Knicks can pull a Boston and get 2 major players via trade, the Knicks should be looking to get more picks in this draft.

Good reminder Eny. We must remember, we have #6. That's really not too bad. We could' be 20 something or worse.
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5/27/2008  12:31 PM
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Posted by Vmart:
Posted by 4949:

So there you have it. Walsh is going for LeBron. I'm not sure we should draft Gallinari. I really think we should concentrate on a center. I think this would be our best shot at drafting a decent one.

We can pick up guards a dime a dozen the next two years, but a good center is hard to come by.

I just hope we don't go drafting mayo.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2008/05/21/2008-05-21_mike_dantoni_has_italian_tie_to_draft.html

You can go after him but that doesn't mean your getting him. Keep dreaming 4949 because thats what teams going no where sell to their fans a dream. I would like the Knicks to exercise a plan that doesn't focus on the long shots, because thats what LeBron is a long shot.

Unless you actually have something constructive to add to the conversation, please keep it to yourself. I'm tired of these defeatist attitudes.

its not defeatest... and its a good point. Isiah was long shot after long shot. He tried to catch lightning in a bottle with every trade and what he ended up with was a bunch duds we cant get rid of.

For once we have management experienced in building a TEAM. Lets let them do that. I believe if Dolan had given Walsh unlimited payroll to work with as he gave Isiah we would have a team like Boston has right now. I have no doubt about that. Probably better.

Not only are Lebron and Wade long shots, but they represent something thats never happened in the NBA. No superstar has been lured away from him team like that. The Spurs couldnt get Kidd or Oneil to come win titles with Tim Duncan in a state w/ no income tax.. but we are getting Lebron? Lets sell everything of value and put it on the horse with 25-1 odds. Its a bad plan.

True hope will come with drafting some good young players, making a couple of lateral trades for players that fit better and watching our team actually start to compete and win games. Lebron prob reads this stuff and just laughs his ass off. He's not leaving his home town to play for the Dolans or JayZ, no matter much he likes the Yankees.

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5/27/2008  1:31 PM
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You proved my point. Just because some analyst or writer agrees with your assessment of a player comparison is irrelevant and has no bearing if a player should or shouldn't be picked. It has no bearing if a player will succeed or won't in the NBA or if such player's skill's will translate to the NBA. My whole point of pointing out Bilas was to show someone who probably watches more basketball players in the flesh in one season than all of us combined in the past 7yrs can be just as wrong as the next guy about a prospect. Remember with you it's all about who's seen a player with their own eyes. At least initially many of these Top Analyst and beat writers can be very wrong and are just striking at the wind as the rest of us. You also have to factor in things like the rules of the game are different, being a star over there but not the man over here, their pay, having their coaches over here to properly develop them etc etc.

Let's make this clear on Marcus most wanted him over Balkman that's all and feel he'll be a better prospect than Balk. You're taking the Marcus Willimiams thing just a little too far my friend. Most fans who wanted Marcus felt we could of had both Balkman and Williams. Lo-And-Behold we're still looking for a point guard as we speak 3yrs removed from that draft.

LOL! ok bro, whatever you say... i dunno if you were around back then but there were a ton of guys on this forum making Marcus Williams out to be the next Messiah... & if you were then it's OK to admit you were wrong about someone, stop trying to downplay every prediction of yours that doesn't come to fruition... you do enough bragging about the prospects you've been jocking since before they were born around here... but oh yeah, Derrick Rose reminds you of Robert Pack & you're not that impressed with him, isn't that right?

whoever said anything about us having to draft some player just because some sportswriter agreed w/my personal opinion? i only noted it cuz it seemed it wasn't that popular of an opinion when i offered it... why do you even have a problem with that?

& get it straight TrueBlue, when i bring up the question of whether or not someone has actually seen a player play it's because they're offering up definitive statements that such & such a player will be a bust or plays soft & has no D in his game... i fail to see how such determinations can be reached by watching YouTube clips.

[Edited by - TMS on 05-27-2008 12:24 PM]
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