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4949
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5/25/2008  11:45 AM
Obviously, teams like the Spurs and Suns will have to start thinking about what the next moves will be.

It's teams like this that teams like our can try to make some deals with. I have one I'd like to share and want to hear your feed backs on.

Ginobili for instance, has a nice ending contract in 2009-10. I wonder if they'd take Makil Rose, Balkman and Collins. The contracts tally up about right. And the Spurs would have a few more options, with Malik ending next year, Balkman and Collins having a team option after next year.

I know Ginobili's contracts end in two more seasons, and he'll be about 33 years of age, but his contract will end by then. And that will be another 10 million free cap space. I like the idea of Ginobili coming to New York, to see if he can add to the dimensions of our new look. An idea player and one who knows how to win games.

He's a great slasher to the basket, and would fit well into D'Antoni's scoring type of team. Ginobili is a good rebounder, very good defender, high intensity player, good ball handler, great athleticism and leaping ability. He's an unselfish PG, one that could be our starting point and this would settle what we would really need to draft and that would be a center.

By the time all is said and done in two more seasons, we will have a team (with or witout some of the players) that should be somewhat successful by the time we get to the two year mark.

What do ya's say? We can do this can't we?


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5/25/2008  11:47 AM
Also, the Spurs money is basically tied up in Duncan and Parker for the majority of the teams salary. They really do' need to start thinking about finding options for their team. Ginobili is still a pretty good and useful player, one who can serve our needs right now, and fits well with what we will need in two more seasons. Option. Our young guys can also get the experience of such a player also.
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5/25/2008  12:47 PM
The Spurs are very resourceful. They scout Europe very well and seem to find guys with their late picks that fit their system and are successful. I don't think they are failing. They should have one game one. I would not count them out of this series. I also think they will react and fix whatever needs fixing. The Suns made a big mistake trading Marion for Shaq. I think their problem is Steve Kerr. He is a good guy but Colangelo was brilliant.
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5/25/2008  1:34 PM
don't forget they have the rights to tiago splitter...
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5/25/2008  1:35 PM
The Suns definitely shouldnt have traded for Shaq - the Spurs just need to retool their bench and I am sure there will be plenty of trades/FA signings available for them in the off season. There is no doubt in my mind they will be back if they lose to LA. The Suns on the other hand need a major overhaul and I am not sure how they will pull it off without having a few losing seasons.
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5/25/2008  2:53 PM
Starting to fall apart? The Spurs win like every other year so I wouldn't put them in the category of falling apart until the day Tim Duncan hangs up his sneakers. Because as long as he is still playing the Spurs will always be a dangerous team.

And the Suns still have a lot to give and outside of Nash are relatively young.

Its always funny hearing us Knick fans whose team is about as rock bottom as you can get point to other teams that have solid organizations and say they're falling apart. We have are own problems so I hardly think we're in any place to judge other teams.
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5/25/2008  3:36 PM
Yeah, perhaps the Spurs can go another year together, and they aren't exactly out of it yet. The only reason I brought them up is because of the age thing. When Duncan's contract ends, he'll be 36. Parker is the only one who in his prime years at 26. Eventually soon, some big time center gonna come along and dominate Duncan. I'm kinda hoping he can't pull it like he used to anymore.

Bowens already 37 here. These guys were very much a part of this Spurs run and they ain't getting any younger. I don't care if they take it to the finals. They still have to answer to what is coming soon. It is possible that a deal like Ginobili could happen.

I'm looking for opportunity here, of teams that are gonna have to start thinking about some changes soon.

And judging other teams is not what I'm getting at here. I'm looking for opportunity from recently successful teams.

If L.A. beats them, there will be questions.

I'll site the pluses of a deal like this:

Ginobili would bring the Knicks something we don't have. 'Experience in winning championships.

It would free up two more roster spots for us.

It would give the Spurs a few more options & help they're efforts to make them a little younger.

Ginobili's contract fits perfectly in our two year plan.

Ginobili still has some good ball in him and could solve many problems for the next two years.

We could have the option of re-signing him for a couple more, if he succeeds.

10 mil would still be protected under this contract, one we could open up in two years.

It would be great to have a player like this influence our young guys. A total professional.

Malik is no use to us anymore. Nice guy and all, but not enough influence.

Collins and Balkman' no one really gives them any credit and they showed some value, so.....

If' we go for LeBron (or what ever super star we can get), then finding a SG like this will solve some of that problem right now and we can draft a center, something we will have to draft anyways' because looks like curry, zach or even Morris is gonna solve our problem there. Why not go for one now? A young center could develop in the next two years, by that time we have a real shot at putting this team on the map again, provided the cap is flex.

This is not the 'do all deal' that I am pushing here. It is one' example of what could be. I'd be just as happy keeping the option of letting Malik walk after next season, but what will we spend the money on??? Will the money be safe and a part of the cap flex in another year after he walks? There's no assurance there. We could end up with a four year, 7 mil a year contract on another guy that doesn't fit.

I can see Collins having a chance in our future, but Balkman, his doesn't bring a full game to our team. So what will we get in return now, for the 'unknown' in the near future?

For me it's about protecting the money (for the two year mark) and Ginobili is one way to do it. That's all I'm saying. Now as far as the Spurs going for a deal like that, that would be up to them.
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5/25/2008  5:06 PM
I dont see the Spurs parting ways with Ginobili - he is far too valuable to them.

I could see them replacing bowen with a younger defensive minded player but who that is I don't know - Raja Bell if the Suns would part with him but I doubt they would send him to the Spurs.

As far as the Suns, I see them where Dallas was before they got rid of Nash - they know they cant win they way they are structured, tried to become more defensive minded w/ addition of Shaq (I could be wrong on that but thats how I saw it), and now they are in chaos.

I think we will see small changes to the Spurs, and more changes to the Suns and Dallas.
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5/25/2008  5:55 PM
And exactly my point from the start. Those changes could be an opportunity for a team like the Knicks. We'll see what happens, when the playoffs are over.
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5/25/2008  10:57 PM
Posted by 4949:

And exactly my point from the start. Those changes could be an opportunity for a team like the Knicks. We'll see what happens, when the playoffs are over.

I agree there will be opportunity but not for a player like Ginobili - their core is Ginobili, Parker, and Duncan - those three are untouchable.

The guys S.A. are looking to move or replace are Bowen, Barry, Horry, Finley, and a couple other role players - those are guys I dont think NY wants or needs but if we could get some expiring contracts from them then maybe that could help.
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5/26/2008  2:16 AM
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5/28/2008  9:38 PM
With the Spurs at the brink, I think it's okay to start looking at possibilities now. Remember, Ginobili isn't getting any younger and the Spurs may start looking into their future very shortly. Ginobili has a loop hole coming up in his contract.

For what it's worth, remember, our own Malik Rose was very much a part of two of those Spurs championships and at the same age as Ginobili, they got rid of him also. Then reworked their roster and surrounded Duncan once again with new players, so don't count out what I'm saying.

And if anyone doubts Malik's contributions to the Spurs, Tim Duncan himself said Malik was one of the best players he ever played with. Just letting you's know.
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5/28/2008  10:01 PM
splitter wants to stay at tau for a few more years. spurs are there trying to convince him to come over.
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5/28/2008  10:07 PM
I'm sorry djsunyc.

But what is splitter and tau?
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5/28/2008  10:11 PM
Posted by 4949:

I'm sorry djsunyc.

But what is splitter and tau?

tiaggo splitter is a big man euro they drafted (projected lottery but dropped b/c of buyout issues). he plays for tau ceramica in spain. he now wants to re-sign with them which means he may not come over for another few years (if ever).
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5/28/2008  10:28 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by 4949:

I'm sorry djsunyc.

But what is splitter and tau?

tiaggo splitter is a big man euro they drafted (projected lottery but dropped b/c of buyout issues). he plays for tau ceramica in spain. he now wants to re-sign with them which means he may not come over for another few years (if ever).

Thank you. I think my point is being made. If so, do we consider Ginobili guys?
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5/29/2008  9:01 AM
Suns are trying to win it now. But are going cheap with a coach?

If not for the Pau trade the Spurs would likely be going to the finals where I think they can take anyone in the east.

Teams that make it to conf finals are usually very financially successful.

Spurs are not going to blow it up.
Paying attention to great teams starting to fall apart: Spurs, Suns, etc.?

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