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5/25/2008  10:55 AM
I just want to see how many posters/fans would be happy with the selection given the *assumption* that OJ Mayo Beasley and Rose are gone.

Would you be happy if we select Anythony Randdolph at 6--

My answer is a big yes

If you vote no just give a little feedback why please

Again Anthony Randolph is a 6-11 210 pound 4 player with a rather large wingspan great speed ball-handling skills. He's got nice form on his J dribble drive skills a disruptive type defender very good rebounder solid post moves and raneg out to 18 feet. He is excellent and unique for his size to be able to rip down a rebound and lead the break at 6-11. He is on the skinny size--hes going to need work there--he does get pushed around because of that--athough he has toughness and seems to hold his offensive post position well. He is also only 18 and still needs time to develop into the game with better habits shot selection when to passs etc.. things that an 18 year old is still learning.
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5/25/2008  11:01 AM
I want to draft Randolph at this point as well, but these are my questions. It seems that if he's still learning this game and needs to grow some more mass, do you think he's actually ready for the NBA at this point? I've seen a little bit of him, and he definitely does get pushed around. He's got wonderful talent and athleticism, and I am gonna take the risk on him, and he's also very aggresive. How much of a project is this though, and more importantly, does Dolan stand for this?
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5/25/2008  11:03 AM
Briggs who do you want? I'm not trying to be an ass, but you make this kinda of thread everyday about someone new. I mean just 4 days ago you made a thread saying we'd be making a huge mistake to not take McGee if he's available at 6. Just curious who you want, that's all.

I've always been for Randolph, he's the prefect selection, given his athletic ability, his ability to rebound, block shots, handle the ball, score and not to mention he's a perfect fit in D'Antoni's offense.
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5/25/2008  11:05 AM
He is moving up and I don't think he will be available. Too many teams have passed on guys like Randolph in the past only to regret it for 10-15 years.
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5/25/2008  11:16 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Briggs who do you want? I'm not trying to be an ass, but you make this kinda of thread everyday about someone new. I mean just 4 days ago you made a thread saying we'd be making a huge mistake to not take McGee if he's available at 6. Just curious who you want, that's all.

I've always been for Randolph, he's the prefect selection, given his athletic ability, his ability to rebound, block shots, handle the ball, score and not to mention he's a perfect fit in D'Antoni's offense.

I have my own opinion on who I think will be the best player at 6 but I would not care who we drafted out of Mcgee Randolph or Westbrook. I don't think we will draft Mcgee--like I mentioned on that thread--my hope is they give him a very hard look and keep an open mind. That being said what Im looking for is a player that a large majority would be happy with taking at 6. I think Anthony Randolph might just be that guy.
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5/25/2008  11:24 AM
I think the Knicks being the Knicks will take the Italian kid over him. Danilo Gallinari sounds more NBA ready and plus the D'Antonio factor.
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5/25/2008  11:26 AM
Posted by CrushAlot:

He is moving up and I don't think he will be available. Too many teams have passed on guys like Randolph in the past only to regret it for 10-15 years.

I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case. If he has killer workouts, his value could sky rocket like Martell Webster did, a few years ago, and could very well end up being a top 3-5 pick.
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5/25/2008  11:37 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Briggs who do you want? I'm not trying to be an ass, but you make this kinda of thread everyday about someone new. I mean just 4 days ago you made a thread saying we'd be making a huge mistake to not take McGee if he's available at 6. Just curious who you want, that's all.

I've always been for Randolph, he's the prefect selection, given his athletic ability, his ability to rebound, block shots, handle the ball, score and not to mention he's a perfect fit in D'Antoni's offense.

I have my own opinion on who I think will be the best player at 6 but I would not care who we drafted out of Mcgee Randolph or Westbrook. I don't think we will draft Mcgee--like I mentioned on that thread--my hope is they give him a very hard look and keep an open mind. That being said what Im looking for is a player that a large majority would be happy with taking at 6. I think Anthony Randolph might just be that guy.

I agree Briggs, I think Randolph is going to be a very special player in this league.
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5/25/2008  1:07 PM
Posted by JesseDark:

I think the Knicks being the Knicks will take the Italian kid over him. Danilo Gallinari sounds more NBA ready and plus the D'Antonio factor.

Thats one thing I don't like--when people say what type of impact can the player have in year 1. That should have 0 bearing on the pick. Its who will be the best player when they are at peak level. Personally I think that Randolph has so may more attributes that its not close.

Just rank the two together + or-
Speed
Athletic Ability
Size/length
Ball-handling
Mid range
long range
Post moves
Rebounding
Shot Blocking
Passing
Character
Defensive abilities
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5/25/2008  1:08 PM
I vote for Randolph but i wouldent be mad at the italian kid either. I think Randolph is the highest probability to be a star player. Its not all about mass, and he is only 18 of course he wont be able to be a star immediately but give him a few years with the right coaching sky is the limit for that kid. My pick: Randolph
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5/25/2008  1:47 PM
Well what are the Knicks going for here? It seems like we have a need at every position - do we want to fix the PG situation? Do we want to get a real SG? SF is a weak spot for us, and the only big we have that actually brings it is Lee. I have always been a fan of picking bigs because I dont think you can win in this league without them but the Knicks are so bad at almost every position right now I wouldnt know where to start.

Honestly I think the Knicks have lacked a true SG for far too long. Get a good coach in to work with Randolph or Curry - trade whichever one is expendable, and get some talent in the back court. I wouldnt be unhappy with a big though - I just want whoever they pick to be GOOD.
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5/25/2008  2:55 PM
I would take Randolph with a big yes. Westbrook is the only other guy I would consider at 6.
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5/25/2008  3:39 PM
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Although he continues to largely slip underneath the radar screen as far as national attention goes, few freshman have shown more glimpses of potential than LSU power forward Anthony Randolph.

It all starts with his physical tools…6-10 or 6-11, incredibly long, left-handed, fluid, quick, explosive off his feet, with great open-court speed…Randolph fits the bill and then some. He does have an extremely lanky frame, though (think Brandan Wright), one that might struggle to put on significant weight even down the road.

Skinny or not, Randolph wows you at times with the versatility he displays offensively. He’s a very good ball-handler for his size, able to grab a rebound and take the ball all the way down the floor (weaving through traffic impressively) and finish the play himself, or even create shots for himself in the half-court. His first step is excellent, and he has some basic jab-steps or wiggle moves that keeps his matchup guessing constantly as to what his next move will be. Although he’s left-handed, he seems to be just as dangerous going right, which is quite intriguing considering his size, youth, and the fact that he’s seemingly living purely off his instincts at this point. This ability to face up and attack his man off the dribble makes him a huge mismatch threat at the next level, especially as he continues to polish up his ball-skills, learns how to minimize his turnovers, and becomes a better finisher around the basket. He also has some basic (mostly finesse) moves he can execute with his back to the basket, but his lack of strength hinders him from being as much of a presence here as he could.

Randolph’s jump-shot needs lots of work, even if there are definitely some things to work with as he’ll show from time to time by knocking down a smooth mid-range jumper, sometimes coming off a pick and pop play. His mechanics are strange, though, like many left-handed shooters (especially from 3-point range), releasing the ball while almost standing sideways, not quite squaring his shoulders or elevating off the floor, and getting extremely poor results—just 2/16 from behind the arc on the year.

That wouldn’t be so bad if Randolph didn’t have as much of a tendency as he does to settle for bad shots and force out of control drives. His whole team seems to play incredibly selfish basketball, and Randolph is at times just as much a culprit as his shot-happy guards. He doesn’t seem to quite know his limitations at this point, settling for weak, off-balance, turn-around jumpers from mid-range, fading away from contact in the post, and generally showing poor shot-selection and a limited feel for the game. It’s not hard to tell that Randolph still has plenty of room to improve with everything that has to do with his fundamentals.

Where Randolph seems to need the most work, especially when considering how he’ll have to be used at the next level, in his defense. He gets pushed around in the post mercilessly; being unable to hold his spot on the block, and thus letting most big men just have their way with him as they please.

The problem here is that Randolph doesn’t seem to put up much resistance, giving up too much space in the post, not showing a great deal of fire fighting back against stronger players, and displaying a laid-back demeanor that is somewhat concerning at times. He gambles for steals, shows poor awareness on the perimeter, and isn’t always quite as active as you might hope. He clearly has the quickness and length to hedge screens and stay in front of his man, as well as the instincts to get after the ball and make his presence felt, but he doesn’t seem to quite know how at this point. With that said, it’s hard not to be impressed by the physical tools, reactivity and nose for the ball he shows coming up with blocks, getting in the passing lanes, grabbing offensive rebounds and more—you’d just like to see it happen more often. There seems to have been some improvement in his effort (particularly as a rebounder) since LSU switched coaches a few weeks ago, so we’ll have to see how this continues in the near future.

All in all, Randolph might be viewed as one of the more intriguing long-term prospects in this draft once you get past the top 5-6 names on most team’s boards. He’ll probably be viewed as the type of hybrid face the basket 4/3 that is becoming very much en vogue in the NBA these days (see: Shawn Marion, Travis Outlaw, Tyrus Thomas, etc) as a mismatch threat playing on a very up-tempo team. There are still a lot of kinks he needs to work out in his game before he gets there--both physically and mentally--but considering the fact that he won’t turn 19 until July, time is obviously on his side. From what we’ve been hearing for quite some time, there is a very good chance that he’ll be in the draft.
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5/25/2008  3:41 PM
If what I read about Love losing a lot of weight and looking more athletic turns out to be true, I'd go with him first. After that, Randolph, Galinari and McGee are the next best options.
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5/26/2008  2:00 AM
Right now I'm thinking that Westbrook has a higher ceiling, but I haven't watched that much of Randolph yet. but from what I've seen of him so far, he isn't very talented.
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5/26/2008  2:13 AM
I dunno.
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5/26/2008  2:24 AM
Posted by SlimPack:

Right now I'm thinking that Westbrook has a higher ceiling, but I haven't watched that much of Randolph yet. but from what I've seen of him so far, he isn't very talented.

The one thing that does seperate Westbrook from other players is a tenacity and mental toughness it takes to be good. I think there will be some really good players past 3 and it will be VERY tough to NOT take Westbrook at 6 especially because of our guard dilemna. This is a difficult draft--it would be nice if somehow we had more than 1 choice.
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5/26/2008  2:26 AM
Mental Toughness, Dental Shmuffness. Cap'n Zeke to the rescue!
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5/26/2008  7:48 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Briggs who do you want? I'm not trying to be an ass, but you make this kinda of thread everyday about someone new. I mean just 4 days ago you made a thread saying we'd be making a huge mistake to not take McGee if he's available at 6. Just curious who you want, that's all.

I've always been for Randolph, he's the prefect selection, given his athletic ability, his ability to rebound, block shots, handle the ball, score and not to mention he's a perfect fit in D'Antoni's offense.

I have my own opinion on who I think will be the best player at 6 but I would not care who we drafted out of Mcgee Randolph or Westbrook. I don't think we will draft Mcgee--like I mentioned on that thread--my hope is they give him a very hard look and keep an open mind. That being said what Im looking for is a player that a large majority would be happy with taking at 6. I think Anthony Randolph might just be that guy.

what about Bayless?
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5/26/2008  7:50 AM
based on what you guys have been saying about the following prospects i wouldn't mind if we drafted any of the following:

Randolph
Bayless
Gallinari
Westbrooke (if we traded down a few spots & got more value)
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