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5/23/2008  4:10 PM
Curry & Lee for Josh Smith(S&T) & Acie Law.

Allows ATL to play Harford at his natural PF position while also giving them the depth to slide him at Center to play along side of Florida alum Lee. Curry/Zaza,Hartford/Lee,Williams/Childress. This move would give them depth at all position except backup & grooming a future PG.

#6 & Randolph to Philly for Iggy, #16, future first, & 2 2nds.

At #16 draft Robin Lopez if Mcgee or Jordan don't fall.

Rotation would look like Lopez,Smith,Iggy,Crawford,Marbury,Nate,Chandler,Balkman,Law,Jefferies.

Chandler would slide in at SF-PF behind Iggy & Smith as would Balkman. Jefferies would see time at backup center. Unless Morris improves.

Iggy & Smith would both flourish in D'Antoni's style and they also have enough defensive skills to make there mark there aswell. Robin Lopez could be along the lines of Dalembert, Chandler, Biedrins providing defensive intimidations. Law could maybe be groomed by D'Antoni as the PG of the future.
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5/23/2008  4:24 PM
those trades will never ever ever happen. philly might trade for zach and keep igoudala - they have the cap room to absorb his salary without sending equal money back. if they offer that, we should jump at it.

why on earth would atlanta trade josh smith? for eddy curry no less?
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5/23/2008  4:41 PM
Because there franchise player plays the same position as him. I don't think they want to keep Hortford(I just noticed I was calling him Hartford) at center. Curry & Lee provides them much depth in the frontcourt.

They would have the deepest frontline in the east. Curry,Hortford,Williams,Zaza,Lee,Childress.

There are rumblings that Philly might be looking to trade Iggy instead of paying him and that they like Thaddeus Young better. And of course we all heard the Rummor on Cheeks trying to get Randolph. So they would get Randolph & move 10spots up in the draft for Iggy. At #6 Philly would have a shot at OJ Mayo & Eric Gordan.

I don't know if they will happen but they are both possible and could work out for both teams if it did happen.
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5/23/2008  5:40 PM
Atlanta would laugh at Curry and Lee for Josh Smith let alone Smith and Law. Horford is better than Lee so they don't really need Lee. No way Atlanta trades Josh Smith for our crap.

Horford is not their franchise player, he very well could become that in 3 years. Right now its Joe Johnson and Josh Smith. Again they can just trade for Portland's 13th pick for one of their young players and pick a center rather than pay Curry 10 million a year or whatever he makes.

As for the second trade, their is no way we are getting a future first and two second rounders for z-bo. They could get alot more value for iggy than randolph anyways.
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5/23/2008  6:08 PM
Posted by bishop:

Atlanta would laugh at Curry and Lee for Josh Smith let alone Smith and Law. Horford is better than Lee so they don't really need Lee. No way Atlanta trades Josh Smith for our crap. Horford is not their franchise player, he very well could become that in 3 years. Right now its Joe Johnson and Josh Smith. Again they can just trade for Portland's 13th pick for one of their young players and pick a center rather than pay Curry 10 million a year or whatever he makes.

As for the second trade, their is no way we are getting a future first and two second rounders for z-bo. They could get alot more value for iggy than randolph anyways.


I still laugh when I hear stuff like that.. "no one will trade for our crap". stop looking as a fan, a jaded knicks fan and think as a GM of another team. Most GM's do think the knicks have talented players, just a bad mix....I am not saying atlanta makes these trades, but it is not like Acie law and josh smith are nash and amare...... I remember hearing the same thing about marbury.... the same thing.. " Pheonix will not take our crap for marbury".. LOL

"The bulls won't take our crap for curry"

"Portland won't take our crap for zach"

Yup, heard it all before....



[Edited by - tkf on 23-05-2008 6:13 PM]
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5/23/2008  6:13 PM
Posted by tkf:

"Pheonix will not take our crap for marbury".. LOL

"The bulls won't take our crap for curry"

"Portland won't take our crap for zach"

Yup, heard it all before....

lol at putting Marbury, Curry and Zach on the same level as Igoudala and Smith. and not to mention, these trades have Philly and Atlanta sweetening the deal for us by adding the 16th pick and Acie Law. even though Portland, Phoenix were salary dumping, we still sent them draft picks and a young player (frye).

there's a difference between salary dumping a malcontent and trading a young borderline all-star who doesn't have a big contract yet. the idea that philly and atlanta would go further and sweeten the pot by throwing in Law or the 16th pick is absurd.
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5/23/2008  6:16 PM
Curry and Lee are going to equate to Josh Smith and Acie Law?? Keep Dreaming. Zach had tons of baggage when we got him. Marbury had major baggage when we received him. Curry forced a trade because he refused to resign with Chicago because of the medical test and had heart problems when we took a chance on him. So you tell me who is jaded.

Marbury = Baggage.
Z-Bo = Baggage.
Curry = Baggage.


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5/23/2008  6:19 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by tkf:

"Pheonix will not take our crap for marbury".. LOL

"The bulls won't take our crap for curry"

"Portland won't take our crap for zach"

Yup, heard it all before....

lol at putting Marbury, Curry and Zach on the same level as Igoudala and Smith. and not to mention, these trades have Philly and Atlanta sweetening the deal for us by adding the 16th pick and Acie Law. even though Portland, Phoenix were salary dumping, we still sent them draft picks and a young player (frye).

there's a difference between salary dumping a malcontent and trading a young borderline all-star who doesn't have a big contract yet. the idea that philly and atlanta would go further and sweeten the pot by throwing in Law or the 16th pick is absurd.

lol not only do we get Acie Law. In the other deal we get the 16th pick, a future first, and 2 second rounders.
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5/23/2008  6:35 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by tkf:

"Pheonix will not take our crap for marbury".. LOL

"The bulls won't take our crap for curry"

"Portland won't take our crap for zach"

Yup, heard it all before....

lol at putting Marbury, Curry and Zach on the same level as Igoudala and Smith. and not to mention, these trades have Philly and Atlanta sweetening the deal for us by adding the 16th pick and Acie Law. even though Portland, Phoenix were salary dumping, we still sent them draft picks and a young player (frye).

there's a difference between salary dumping a malcontent and trading a young borderline all-star who doesn't have a big contract yet. the idea that philly and atlanta would go further and sweeten the pot by throwing in Law or the 16th pick is absurd.


LOL. at that narrowminded view..

Marbury was traded straight up for jason kidd in his prime, before the heart concerns the bulls were not entertaining trading curry, and zach at onetime was one of portlands rising stars.. So to compare iggy and josh smith to those guys then is really the funny thing.... I guarantee you if you had a 23 year old marbury playing in minny today, and offered both josh smith and iggy, the wolves would laugh.... The same thing if you would have offered that trade to the bulls and blazers earlier in both curry and zach's careers....


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5/23/2008  6:36 PM
Posted by bishop:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by tkf:

"Pheonix will not take our crap for marbury".. LOL

"The bulls won't take our crap for curry"

"Portland won't take our crap for zach"

Yup, heard it all before....

lol at putting Marbury, Curry and Zach on the same level as Igoudala and Smith. and not to mention, these trades have Philly and Atlanta sweetening the deal for us by adding the 16th pick and Acie Law. even though Portland, Phoenix were salary dumping, we still sent them draft picks and a young player (frye).

there's a difference between salary dumping a malcontent and trading a young borderline all-star who doesn't have a big contract yet. the idea that philly and atlanta would go further and sweeten the pot by throwing in Law or the 16th pick is absurd.

lol not only do we get Acie Law. In the other deal we get the 16th pick, a future first, and 2 second rounders.

dude, acie law at this point is garbage.... stop acting like we are talking about top tier players here..

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5/23/2008  7:55 PM
I never said Acie Law was a top tier player the point was that Curry and Lee cant net Josh Smith alone, why should Atlanta add players to the deal, it should be us sweetening the offer. Anyways your logic is flawed. At one time Marbury, Curry, and Z-Bo were all regarded as great and upcoming players, no one is denying that. However, time passed and they all have had major issues with prior teams. In Marbury's prime he was also traded for Howard Eisley and an assortment of crap = Salary Dump by Phoenix. We also had to take back the huge contract of Penny. Z-Bo was a salary dump because of his "jailblazer" attitude. Curry REFUSED to resign with Chicago because he refused to take the medical test.
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5/24/2008  1:37 AM
The fantasy proposed trade was the #6 & Randolph for Iggy, #16, a future first, & 2 2nds

The value of a pick like #6 is worth 3 mid to late first rd picks and we would only be getting 2. There are people that wouldn't trade the #6 straight up for Iggy. Also Iggy isn't that much more talented then Randolph. Randolph is a talented scorer,rebounder. He isn't a good fit for the Knicks but he is a damn talented player. You guys are thinking of Randolph like he is some kind of scrub, thats the problem.

Like I stated before, It would give ATL the deepest frontcourt 5-3 in the East and it allows Hortford to slide back to his natural position. Hortford would still be able to slide in at center when they want to play uptempo while Lee were to slide in at PF. Just because Smith is the most talented player in the trade doesn't make it a bad move for ATL. I personally feel they would be a better team then they were last yr & going forward if they were to make that move. Acie Law wouldn't be a deal breaker either.
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5/24/2008  3:27 AM
Posted by bishop:

I never said Acie Law was a top tier player the point was that Curry and Lee cant net Josh Smith alone, why should Atlanta add players to the deal, it should be us sweetening the offer. Anyways your logic is flawed. At one time Marbury, Curry, and Z-Bo were all regarded as great and upcoming players, no one is denying that. However, time passed and they all have had major issues with prior teams. In Marbury's prime he was also traded for Howard Eisley and an assortment of crap = Salary Dump by Phoenix. We also had to take back the huge contract of Penny. Z-Bo was a salary dump because of his "jailblazer" attitude. Curry REFUSED to resign with Chicago because he refused to take the medical test.


really it is not flawed, because we got all three of these players either in their prime, in the begginning of their prime or before their prime. We were able to get them because they had some baggage.. If not for the heart issue, we don't get curry.. My point is, if the sixers and hawks are even entertaining moving either of these guys, then something is there, some baggage, because according to you guys, they are supposed to be almost unnatainable.... Both iggy and josh smith have holes in their games, this is not wade and chris paul we are talking about here... the hawks are still pondering giving josh smith big bucks, and the sixers already feel they have a replacement for iggy.. again, you call what we have crap, but curry is still better than any center Atlanta has, and zach gives the sixers something they don't have... so although it may seem improbable, I agree it is not as far fetched as you are making it out to be...
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