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5/21/2008  1:11 PM
#1:
Let's say Cleveland and New Orleans does not win a championship in the next two seasons and both players want to move on.

#2:
What do you think LeBron is worth offering? Definately 20 million a year should do it. Maybe four years? What do you think Paul is worth offering? Right now he's going to make up to 6 million, in two more season, which is a qualifying offer. But after that' he's free to make a decision after the 2009-10 season. What do we offer him?

#3:
Here's our contract situation/set-up for the next two seasons and a year beyond with these particular players. This scenario can help us land both players and still find some other good pieces. But we must protect the money from being contaminated again.

QO - denotes 'Qualifying Offer'
PO -denotes 'Player Option'

suckbury
2008-09 - $21,900,000 (He's off the books. Question, where do we put the money until 2010-11?)

Zbo
2008-09 - $14,600,000
2009-10 - $16,000,000 (What to do with the expiring for next year?)
2010-11 - $17,000,000

curry
2008-09 - $9,700,000
2009-10 - $10,500,000 (QO) (What to do with the expiring for next year?)
2010-11 - $11,000,000 (QO)

Q
2008-09 - $8,800,000
2009-10 - $9,000,000 (PO) (He comes off the books)

Malik
2008-09 - $7,600,000 (He off the books. Question, where do we put the money until 20010-11 season?)

Jerome
2008-09 - $6,000,000
2008-09 - $6,600,000 (PO) (He comes off the books)

Jeffries
2008-09 - $6,000,000
2009-10 - $6,400,000 (What to do with the expiring for next year?)
2010-11 - $6,800,000 (PO)


I calculate a total of $79,000,000 here.
How do we deal with the expiring contracts, in a year that we can go after these two stars? Do we trade them? Do we buy them out?
How can we make $79 million dollars of cap space solid for 2010-11? Can it be done?
We have a lot of options here, but what is the best way to go about doing it?





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5/21/2008  1:30 PM
LMFAO at giving JJ and JJ2 player options.
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5/21/2008  1:34 PM
both Lebron & CP will get max contracts when they turn free agent.
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5/21/2008  1:41 PM
Posted by TMS:

both Lebron & CP will get max contracts when they turn free agent.

And that would be.................?
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5/21/2008  1:46 PM
here is an excellent site that explains anything & everything concerning the CBA salary structure & rules:

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm

refer to #11 where it explains the maximum salary rules concerning players... it's based on how long they've been in the league.
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5/21/2008  1:51 PM
Posted by TMS:

here is an excellent site that explains anything & everything concerning the CBA salary structure & rules:



refer to #11 where it explains the maximum salary rules concerning players... it's based on how long they've been in the league.

Thanks. http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm
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5/21/2008  2:09 PM
Okay, so by the time we get to him, he'll have served seven years and that would be approximately 18 to 20 million right there. And Paul will qualify for about 13 to 15 million a season, after serving about 5 years.

So it looks like we would have a shot at them both, unless there's something I'm missing here. Q and Jerome's contracts alone, coming off the books, after the 2009-10 season would cover Paul's contract right there. They add up to about 15 million.

Did you guys know that there was originally a salary cap, back in 1946-47 season, when the NBA was getting started? The top salaries where about $55,000 a season.
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5/21/2008  2:15 PM
it doesn't work like that 49, cuz our team is way over the cap as it is... so even tho Q & James' contracts are coming off the books the team will still be over the cap when LB & CP can potentially be free agents.

we'd have to get at least $30 million UNDER the cap if u wanna even start thinking about signing both Lebron & CP, & there's no way that's gonna happen unless we can get some shmuck to take Zach, Jefferies, Curry & Jamal off our hands for lesser term contracts... ain't happenin broham.
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5/21/2008  2:20 PM
Don't forget that Lee and Nate and Balkman and whoever else our young players will be, will require extensions. You KNOW Lee is gonna want at least a somewhat big one. Nate will probably demand MLE type money from us. If we get a top rookie this draft, he's gonna have a nice salary too. We have no shot in hell in landing both Paul and James. Heck, we prolly have 1/1000 shot in landing either one. If you want to be more realistic, look no further than the year after, when I believe Dwight Howard and Okafor enter free agency. Not sure about that though. I'll look it up.
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5/21/2008  2:21 PM
That's why I made the chart above. We have a lot of money coming off and three expirings, in the year of James and Paul. Remember also, suckbury's 21 million is also coming off after next year, as well as Malik's 7 mil.

Anyone have any ideas to work around those and get the money in the right place?
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5/21/2008  2:24 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Don't forget that Lee and Nate and Balkman and whoever else our young players will be, will require extensions. You KNOW Lee is gonna want at least a somewhat big one. Nate will probably demand MLE type money from us. If we get a top rookie this draft, he's gonna have a nice salary too. We have no shot in hell in landing both Paul and James. Heck, we prolly have 1/1000 shot in landing either one. If you want to be more realistic, look no further than the year after, when I believe Dwight Howard and Okafor enter free agency. Not sure about that though. I'll look it up.

Lee is gonna end up asking for Diaw level dollars, Nate the MLE just like Barbosa... that will add up to the same money we'd be losing once Q & Turd leave this team... so i don't see much in the way of cap relief coming our way unless like i said before we can find some shmuck to take fishlips, ZBo, Curry & Jamal off our hands.
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5/21/2008  2:25 PM
You HAVE to trade Zach if you want a shot at any free agent that year. The best time to do that is this year, b/c Lee isn't still looking for an extension this Summer, and the most realistic option is to package Lee with Zach, and you're gonna have to take back a bad contract or 2.

I don't think you realize just how bad a gm Isiah really was.
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5/21/2008  2:27 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Don't forget that Lee and Nate and Balkman and whoever else our young players will be, will require extensions. You KNOW Lee is gonna want at least a somewhat big one. Nate will probably demand MLE type money from us. If we get a top rookie this draft, he's gonna have a nice salary too. We have no shot in hell in landing both Paul and James. Heck, we prolly have 1/1000 shot in landing either one. If you want to be more realistic, look no further than the year after, when I believe Dwight Howard and Okafor enter free agency. Not sure about that though. I'll look it up.

Yes' I do realize that guys like Lee, Nate and Balkman will be up for promo's soon, but who do you think we sacrifice, if it means bringing in some huge names for us?

I should also acknowledge a point Allanfan20 is making. The fact that we may have to wait another year for guys like Howard, etc. to be available.

The only reason why I push this one is, the common fan has no patience, and the media feeds off of that, to sell it's newspapers. That's the kind of pressure that will end up causing dolan to order Walsh to make drastic, desperate deals that will do only one thing. Tie up all of our money into long term, high paying contracts, for players who have no business making this kind of money. We've seen it happen so many times, in the last ten years.

This is my biggest fear right now.

And Allanfan, why is it 'no way in hell that we get either one of them'? (Unless of course, I already answered any of your statement.)
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5/21/2008  2:38 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

You HAVE to trade Zach if you want a shot at any free agent that year. The best time to do that is this year, b/c Lee isn't still looking for an extension this Summer, and the most realistic option is to package Lee with Zach, and you're gonna have to take back a bad contract or 2.

I don't think you realize just how bad a gm Isiah really was.

So if we trade Zbo and Lee and take back two contracts, how does that help our cap flex possibilities?

The structure of the NBA rules do not and never will work in our favor (or give us an even break). We had a manager who tied our cap up so bad that it's virtually impossible to fix, from all that I understand. it appears to me that the only way to completely get out of this is to just wait for each and everyone of these contracts to run out, and sign small no name contracts to fill roster spots until we are free from it all.

So maybe we'd be better off if we just waited until the 2010-11 season ended. That way we wouldn't have to worry about getting rid of anyone here. I know talking about this stuff is real brain cramp stuff, but I try to understand it and how we can work around things. I just refuse to accept that we can't get what we want. But then again, rules are rules.
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5/21/2008  2:42 PM
And Allanfan, why is it 'no way in hell that we get either one of them'? (Unless of course, I already answered any of your statement.)

I didn't say no way in hell to that. I said no way in hell we get BOTH. We have a 1/1000 shot at landing one of them.
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5/21/2008  4:24 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:
And Allanfan, why is it 'no way in hell that we get either one of them'? (Unless of course, I already answered any of your statement.)

I didn't say no way in hell to that. I said no way in hell we get BOTH. We have a 1/1000 shot at landing one of them.

1/1000 is still huge. It would be impossible then.

Okay, how bout this scenario. We try for LeBron for 2010-11 and then try for Howard for 2011-12? We have an awfully lot of money coming off the books in two and three years.
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