Posted by BRIGGS:

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the best part of the clip was the shotblocking ability... the kid has serious ups, no doubt about it.

He's going to be a very good player. He's a safe pick that also plays into our needs. Even though fans have personal choices of other players and who they think may be the best talent etc.. I am one of them--the honesty from the NY Knicks point of view is we need a guard who can play the point---I think they made that clear. I think Jerryd might trump some other really good players especially Westbrook because he is more advanced--he may not end up the better player--he might--but in terms of safety you get with the upside--that is where this kid falls.

Posted by BRIGGS:

It's a good safe pick. I know Mayo will go 3 and Lopez very likely 4--which will end us up with this guy and the Knicks will go safe[not a bad thing]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcqe9UXkc8o&NR=1

Hes way better than Gordon and while there can be discussion siwth westbrook Randolph maybe Gallinari and Joe Alexander--I see this guy as the alla-round safe pick that the Knicks are looking for. Not quite a pure PG but either is Tony Parker

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SIpzCYREHY

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 05-16-2008 6:22 PM]

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Posted by BRIGGS:

It's a good safe pick. I know Mayo will go 3 and Lopez very likely 4--which will end us up with this guy and the Knicks will go safe[not a bad thing]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcqe9UXkc8o&NR=1

Hes way better than Gordon and while there can be discussion siwth westbrook Randolph maybe Gallinari and Joe Alexander--I see this guy as the alla-round safe pick that the Knicks are looking for. Not quite a pure PG but either is Tony Parker

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SIpzCYREHY

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 05-16-2008 6:22 PM]

Are you F!ucking kidding me? I turned that video off after 45 seconds. Why? Because who the hell wants to see a highlight tape of a POINT GUARD dunking the ball over and over and over again?!?!?!?!?!? How is he supposed to make the TEAM better? I want to see a tape of him PASSING the ball!!! Dunking is boring unless you're DWIGHT HOWARD or LEBRON JAMES. You know, FINISHERS!! Players who RECEIVE the ball from their POINT GUARD. This site seriously needs a :banghead: emoticon because Knick fans like Briggs want to make me bash my head through a wall.

You are killing me Briggs. Go watch some tapes of Magic Johnson in college and if you don't know who he is, then watch Chris Paul.

Bayless is a good PG dude ... IMO he's like Chauncey Billups, he can pass the ball but if you want him to score he'll be good at it. he's a good defender as well.

the best part about him is that he didn't want to return to Arizona because they wanted him to be a SG while he wanted to be a PG ... so it's a positive sign that he wants to be more passive.

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Posted by BRIGGS:

It's a good safe pick. I know Mayo will go 3 and Lopez very likely 4--which will end us up with this guy and the Knicks will go safe[not a bad thing]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcqe9UXkc8o&NR=1

Hes way better than Gordon and while there can be discussion siwth westbrook Randolph maybe Gallinari and Joe Alexander--I see this guy as the alla-round safe pick that the Knicks are looking for. Not quite a pure PG but either is Tony Parker

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SIpzCYREHY

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 05-16-2008 6:22 PM]

Are you F!ucking kidding me? I turned that video off after 45 seconds. Why? Because who the hell wants to see a highlight tape of a POINT GUARD dunking the ball over and over and over again?!?!?!?!?!? How is he supposed to make the TEAM better? I want to see a tape of him PASSING the ball!!! Dunking is boring unless you're DWIGHT HOWARD or LEBRON JAMES. You know, FINISHERS!! Players who RECEIVE the ball from their POINT GUARD. This site seriously needs a :banghead: emoticon because Knick fans like Briggs want to make me bash my head through a wall.

You are killing me Briggs. Go watch some tapes of Magic Johnson in college and if you don't know who he is, then watch Chris Paul.

Bayless is a good PG dude ... IMO he's like Chauncey Billups, he can pass the ball but if you want him to score he'll be good at it. he's a good defender as well.

the best part about him is that he didn't want to return to Arizona because they wanted him to be a SG while he wanted to be a PG ... so it's a positive sign that he wants to be more passive.

Thats not the point. Suppose I have no clue who Bayless is and never seen him play, how am I to know that Bayless can pass the ball when Briggs is showing me a highlight tape of him dunking the ball over and over and over again. I admit, I'm taking a personal shot AT Briggs, which usually I like to refrain from, but Briggs pushed me over the edge with his "Starbury" mentality.

Can we get some videos of Bayless PASSING the ball, PLEASE.

well there's a very small chance to find a video of a person passing ... most highlight videos are players dunking or doing some crazy shots.

Magic Johnson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxBM3dTPc_k

Steve Nash - Passing video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhkx5ovweQg&feature=related

Chris Paul 20 assists vs. Cavs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLScxLrpEUs

Thats what I'm talking about.

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Posted by BRIGGS:

It's a good safe pick. I know Mayo will go 3 and Lopez very likely 4--which will end us up with this guy and the Knicks will go safe[not a bad thing]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcqe9UXkc8o&NR=1

Hes way better than Gordon and while there can be discussion siwth westbrook Randolph maybe Gallinari and Joe Alexander--I see this guy as the alla-round safe pick that the Knicks are looking for. Not quite a pure PG but either is Tony Parker

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SIpzCYREHY

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 05-16-2008 6:22 PM]

Are you F!ucking kidding me? I turned that video off after 45 seconds. Why? Because who the hell wants to see a highlight tape of a POINT GUARD dunking the ball over and over and over again?!?!?!?!?!? How is he supposed to make the TEAM better? I want to see a tape of him PASSING the ball!!! Dunking is boring unless you're DWIGHT HOWARD or LEBRON JAMES. You know, FINISHERS!! Players who RECEIVE the ball from their POINT GUARD. This site seriously needs a :banghead: emoticon because Knick fans like Briggs want to make me bash my head through a wall.

You are killing me Briggs. Go watch some tapes of Magic Johnson in college and if you don't know who he is, then watch Chris Paul.

Bayless is a good PG dude ... IMO he's like Chauncey Billups, he can pass the ball but if you want him to score he'll be good at it. he's a good defender as well.

the best part about him is that he didn't want to return to Arizona because they wanted him to be a SG while he wanted to be a PG ... so it's a positive sign that he wants to be more passive.

Thats not the point. Suppose I have no clue who Bayless is and never seen him play, how am I to know that Bayless can pass the ball when Briggs is showing me a highlight tape of him dunking the ball over and over and over again. I admit, I'm taking a personal shot AT Briggs, which usually I like to refrain from, but Briggs pushed me over the edge with his "Starbury" mentality.

Can we get some videos of Bayless PASSING the ball, PLEASE.

well there's a very small chance to find a video of a person passing ... most highlight videos are players dunking or doing some crazy shots.

Magic Johnson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxBM3dTPc_k

Steve Nash - Passing video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhkx5ovweQg&feature=related

Chris Paul 20 assists vs. Cavs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLScxLrpEUs

Thats what I'm talking about.

Magic Johnson is Magic Johnson

the Nash video was part of TNT's fundamental videos ... they one for blocking, rebounding, shooting, taking a charge, etc ... it's not fan mad

CP3's was his 20 assist game which is a huge game.

i'm saying that it's hard to find a video mix that's all about passing.

And I'm saying it's not. It all depends on the player and what he's known for.

But my entire point was that Briggs is telling us this is the guy we need at the point guard spot, then he proceeds to show us a video of him dunking the ball over and over and over and over again. Someone who is clueless about Bayless would click open this thread and think he is just another selfish look at me I can dunk scoring "point guard" like Agent A-Hole of the Wizards. Do we really need that? Uh no.

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Posted by BRIGGS:

It's a good safe pick. I know Mayo will go 3 and Lopez very likely 4--which will end us up with this guy and the Knicks will go safe[not a bad thing]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcqe9UXkc8o&NR=1

Hes way better than Gordon and while there can be discussion siwth westbrook Randolph maybe Gallinari and Joe Alexander--I see this guy as the alla-round safe pick that the Knicks are looking for. Not quite a pure PG but either is Tony Parker

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SIpzCYREHY

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 05-16-2008 6:22 PM]

Are you F!ucking kidding me? I turned that video off after 45 seconds. Why? Because who the hell wants to see a highlight tape of a POINT GUARD dunking the ball over and over and over again?!?!?!?!?!? How is he supposed to make the TEAM better? I want to see a tape of him PASSING the ball!!! Dunking is boring unless you're DWIGHT HOWARD or LEBRON JAMES. You know, FINISHERS!! Players who RECEIVE the ball from their POINT GUARD. This site seriously needs a :banghead: emoticon because Knick fans like Briggs want to make me bash my head through a wall.

You are killing me Briggs. Go watch some tapes of Magic Johnson in college and if you don't know who he is, then watch Chris Paul.

Bayless is a good PG dude ... IMO he's like Chauncey Billups, he can pass the ball but if you want him to score he'll be good at it. he's a good defender as well.

the best part about him is that he didn't want to return to Arizona because they wanted him to be a SG while he wanted to be a PG ... so it's a positive sign that he wants to be more passive.

Thats not the point. Suppose I have no clue who Bayless is and never seen him play, how am I to know that Bayless can pass the ball when Briggs is showing me a highlight tape of him dunking the ball over and over and over again. I admit, I'm taking a personal shot AT Briggs, which usually I like to refrain from, but Briggs pushed me over the edge with his "Starbury" mentality.

Can we get some videos of Bayless PASSING the ball, PLEASE.

well there's a very small chance to find a video of a person passing ... most highlight videos are players dunking or doing some crazy shots.

Magic Johnson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxBM3dTPc_k

Steve Nash - Passing video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhkx5ovweQg&feature=related

Chris Paul 20 assists vs. Cavs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLScxLrpEUs

Thats what I'm talking about.

Magic Johnson is Magic Johnson

the Nash video was part of TNT's fundamental videos ... they one for blocking, rebounding, shooting, taking a charge, etc ... it's not fan mad

CP3's was his 20 assist game which is a huge game.

i'm saying that it's hard to find a video mix that's all about passing.

And I'm saying it's not. It all depends on the player and what he's known for.

But my entire point was that Briggs is telling us this is the guy we need at the point guard spot, then he proceeds to show us a video of him dunking the ball over and over and over and over again. Someone who is clueless about Bayless would click open this thread and think he is just another selfish look at me I can dunk scoring "point guard" like Agent A-Hole of the Wizards. Do we really need that? Uh no.

Hold up there champ you're spazing and you didnt read clearly--this is what I said above--->If I had to guess Jerryd would probably be considered a PG in the terms of a Tony Parker--not a true PG but can play the poistion and be very effective doing so

---->He's going to be a very good player. He's a safe pick that also plays into our needs. Even though fans have personal choices of other players and who they think may be the best talent etc.. I am one of them--the honesty from the NY Knicks point of view is we need a guard who can play the point---I think they made that clear.[I didnt say he was MY personal choice for 5 rather that he was the smart safe pick that I think the Knicks will make there] They will NOT take chances like others might--there isnt going to be a Joihn bender pick here--its going to be a player like Bayless and it's a good safe pick that Im not going to haev a problem with. After Rose Bayless is the next best choice at the PG position even if he plays the point like Tony Parker. DJ Augustin showed that he is too small Eric Gordon is not a PG OJ mayo is not going to be there at 5--so it's either Russell Westbrook or Jerryd Bayless Im ASSUMING and I would assume they would go with Bayless.


So in summary what I said was I thought he is a PG in the Tony Parker type mode--which is NOT a bad thing. If you watched the two tapes you came away with several things
A.Very athletic
B.Can shoot
C.Can handle
D.Can Pass
E.Plays Smart and fast

These are all qualities of how we will play and these are the skills you need to play in that style.
Listen I personally believe in building big men first--but this is an open system that plays outside in--I mean they played an entire year with 6-8 diaw at C.

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Posted by BRIGGS:

It's a good safe pick. I know Mayo will go 3 and Lopez very likely 4--which will end us up with this guy and the Knicks will go safe[not a bad thing]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcqe9UXkc8o&NR=1

Hes way better than Gordon and while there can be discussion siwth westbrook Randolph maybe Gallinari and Joe Alexander--I see this guy as the alla-round safe pick that the Knicks are looking for. Not quite a pure PG but either is Tony Parker

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SIpzCYREHY

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 05-16-2008 6:22 PM]

Are you F!ucking kidding me? I turned that video off after 45 seconds. Why? Because who the hell wants to see a highlight tape of a POINT GUARD dunking the ball over and over and over again?!?!?!?!?!? How is he supposed to make the TEAM better? I want to see a tape of him PASSING the ball!!! Dunking is boring unless you're DWIGHT HOWARD or LEBRON JAMES. You know, FINISHERS!! Players who RECEIVE the ball from their POINT GUARD. This site seriously needs a :banghead: emoticon because Knick fans like Briggs want to make me bash my head through a wall.

You are killing me Briggs. Go watch some tapes of Magic Johnson in college and if you don't know who he is, then watch Chris Paul.

Bayless is a good PG dude ... IMO he's like Chauncey Billups, he can pass the ball but if you want him to score he'll be good at it. he's a good defender as well.

the best part about him is that he didn't want to return to Arizona because they wanted him to be a SG while he wanted to be a PG ... so it's a positive sign that he wants to be more passive.

Thats not the point. Suppose I have no clue who Bayless is and never seen him play, how am I to know that Bayless can pass the ball when Briggs is showing me a highlight tape of him dunking the ball over and over and over again. I admit, I'm taking a personal shot AT Briggs, which usually I like to refrain from, but Briggs pushed me over the edge with his "Starbury" mentality.

Can we get some videos of Bayless PASSING the ball, PLEASE.

well there's a very small chance to find a video of a person passing ... most highlight videos are players dunking or doing some crazy shots.

Magic Johnson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxBM3dTPc_k

Steve Nash - Passing video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhkx5ovweQg&feature=related

Chris Paul 20 assists vs. Cavs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLScxLrpEUs

Thats what I'm talking about.

Magic Johnson is Magic Johnson

the Nash video was part of TNT's fundamental videos ... they one for blocking, rebounding, shooting, taking a charge, etc ... it's not fan mad

CP3's was his 20 assist game which is a huge game.

i'm saying that it's hard to find a video mix that's all about passing.

And I'm saying it's not. It all depends on the player and what he's known for.

But my entire point was that Briggs is telling us this is the guy we need at the point guard spot, then he proceeds to show us a video of him dunking the ball over and over and over and over again. Someone who is clueless about Bayless would click open this thread and think he is just another selfish look at me I can dunk scoring "point guard" like Agent A-Hole of the Wizards. Do we really need that? Uh no.

Hold up there champ you're spazing and you didnt read clearly--this is what I said above--->If I had to guess Jerryd would probably be considered a PG in the terms of a Tony Parker--not a true PG but can play the poistion and be very effective doing so

---->He's going to be a very good player. He's a safe pick that also plays into our needs. Even though fans have personal choices of other players and who they think may be the best talent etc.. I am one of them--the honesty from the NY Knicks point of view is we need a guard who can play the point---I think they made that clear.[I didnt say he was MY personal choice for 5 rather that he was the smart safe pick that I think the Knicks will make there] They will NOT take chances like others might--there isnt going to be a Joihn bender pick here--its going to be a player like Bayless and it's a good safe pick that Im not going to haev a problem with. After Rose Bayless is the next best choice at the PG position even if he plays the point like Tony Parker. DJ Augustin showed that he is too small Eric Gordon is not a PG OJ mayo is not going to be there at 5--so it's either Russell Westbrook or Jerryd Bayless Im ASSUMING and I would assume they would go with Bayless.


So in summary what I said was I thought he is a PG in the Tony Parker type mode--which is NOT a bad thing. If you watched the two tapes you came away with several things
A.Very athletic
B.Can shoot
C.Can handle
D.Can Pass
E.Plays Smart and fast

These are all qualities of how we will play and these are the skills you need to play in that style.
Listen I personally believe in building big men first--but this is an open system that plays outside in--I mean they played an entire year with 6-8 diaw at C.

Sorry but any fan of point guards would have been nauseated at that first video you posted. I watched the first 40 seconds and it was just Bayless dunking the ball. I had to shut it off.

And if Bayless is not a pure point, THEN DON'T DRAFT HIM! When Barbosa ran the point in the Phoenix offense, it just wasn't the same! Just because you're "athletic" doesn't mean sh!t in the NBA.

So if we can't get Rose, then either draft a pure 2 guard who can shoot or go with a skilled athletic big man that can run up and down the floor. Don't just draft a point guard with the pick because we desperately need one. No, he still has to fit in with the style D'Antoni wants to run.

Now I'm not opposed to taking Bayless, it's just that I was very disappointed in that video you posted. When someone tells me this is the point guard we should take, right off the bat I expect to see some serious passing in that video. Instead you give us Gilbert Arenas aka Agent Azzhole.

Well hopefully well get the first pick so we dont have to think about it. However if you go look at any Derrick Rose videos all you are going to primarily see are dunks:)