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djsunyc
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5/13/2008  3:51 PM
boston will be over the hill
toronto has colangelo w/bosh + tj/jose and some expirings
nets have thorn w/ harris/rj and some #1 picks
sixers have stefanski w/ some nice young players and cap space
knicks now have walsh/d'antoni

looks like there's gonna be some strong inter-divison competition relatively soon...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 05-13-2008 3:51 PM]
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5/13/2008  4:09 PM
My prediction is that Knicks & Philly will be the teams to beat in the division, 3-5yrs from now.

I think Knicks are due
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5/13/2008  4:09 PM
Good for the league cuz nba basketball is not as good as it should be.
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5/13/2008  4:38 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

boston will be over the hill
toronto has colangelo w/bosh + tj/jose and some expirings
nets have thorn w/ harris/rj and some #1 picks
sixers have stefanski w/ some nice young players and cap space
knicks now have walsh/d'antoni

looks like there's gonna be some strong inter-divison competition relatively soon...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 05-13-2008 3:51 PM]


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5/13/2008  4:50 PM
I heard Kiki wants to draft Skita again with the Nets first round pick this year.
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5/13/2008  7:07 PM
Boston: Has this season's playoffs, 08/09, and 09/10. That's going to be it and probably stretching it. Then they will be rebuilding.

Philly: Looks good. In fact Philly might be in the best shape of all the teams for the future.

Toronto: They already peaked with what they had...and I don't really like what they have after seeing how it failed to improve this season...can they make the right moves to get better?

Nets: They're a pawn in the Brooklyn business complex. No telling what they can and will do or how much the owner will REALLY care about the team. Big toss up, they don't have anything good left on that team IMO.

Knicks: We have a long road ahead. It'd be a long shot to be good right away with a fix-it trade....and it will take a long time to be good if that fails and we eventually, inevitably, rebuild.

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5/14/2008  8:20 AM
Boston's looking old - they should have swept atlanta, and it went 7 games?

But clearly, the atlantic is going to be much tougher.
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5/14/2008  9:16 AM
This division is not very strong

Boston: Made a horrible deal for Ray Allen. West, Green, and Wally would be making more of a contribution and be better for the franchise long term. Ray looks very average in these playoffs, i don't really think you have to worry about the Celtics, they have a window that will be slightly open for one more year, and they are going to lose to Cleveland

Philly: Is not really going any where either, I like Iggy but i would move the guy for some young talent, there is no reason to give him near max dollars, Miller is a great pg but is getting older and their cap isn't going to be as appealing after this summer. Young is going to be a very good player, unless they get brand for 11-12 million a year their future is what they were this year

Raptors: How scared should anyone really be of this team. Their gm blew a change to really build a contender with his draft choice last year and they have a double headed pg which isn't going to yeild them a top talent so how to they get someone to sign there.

The Nets: I would be worried about, they have a way of ripping off every team when they make a trade, Kidd, Carter, and Harris were all win wins, and they draft well Kristic, Jefferson, and Willaims, they will have the ability to make a trade and if williams matures as a player they will be very dangerous.
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5/14/2008  9:48 AM
I agree with MS in that it really isn't all that strong.

Two teams stand out: Boston and their obvious small window....and Philly who is pretty darn good AND young AND has flexibility so you can assume they will improve.

Two teams are mediocre and could go either way: Toronto, Nets. Toronto peaked obviously and actually got worse this year. Is that it for them and that roster? Could be. Nets: Falling apart, nothing special, owners more committed to a multi-billion dollar corporate empire than the team they acquired as a pawn to get their corporate park pushed through the community blockades.

Us: Well, we know where we're at. We could be slightly better over the next year or two and then by year three we all should be expecting to be one of the top 3 if not top 2 teams in the Atlantic.


So, you look at it overall, it's still a mediocre division. Doesn't scare me as a Knick fan looking towards our potential future success. Shouldn't scare anyone outside the division either.
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5/14/2008  10:07 AM
We'll take hold soon of being in the worst division in all of sports. It has a short window IMO. The only team I feel could really be something down the road are the Raptors because they have cap space in 09/10 and possibly 10/11 pending on how things shake down.

I think one thing people have to consider about Boston is if things don't quite pan out as expected will they have assets who are tradable 2 yrs from now? I say Yes. K.G. will have value and so will Pierce, Ray I'm not sure of but Rondo and maybe one other piece they may have value. They could trade K.G. and Pierce each for number 1 draft picks between 10-20 IMO. WIth them it's going to be all about success or the lack thereof and timing.

Us, Philly, and New Jersey have a lot of work to do.

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5/14/2008  10:10 AM
didn't say it was a strong division. i said there was going to be strong *inter-divison* competition. two different things altogether.

nets gm/braintrust is top notch. they have now raped a few teams on deals. only thing they haven't done is draft a top tier talent and that's b/c they aren't picking high enough.

toronto is playing behind the 8-ball b/c of where they are located. colangelo has his work cut out for him but i still think they have a chance to be a good team (sort of in the mold of utah).

sixers have another supposedly good basketball mind running the ship. it depends how he uses this cap space.

knicks have a new gm and a new coach along with a high pick this year. they also have an owner with deep deep pockets and a commissioner that is now making sure the knicks will be relevant again.

boston has 2 years to win a title, then they'll be back on the bottom.
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5/14/2008  10:33 AM
I agree with you djsuncyc. You nailed it on the spot. Philly does have a good mind in the front office who looks in pretty good shape if he uses the cap space well.

The tandem duo of Walsh and D'antoni not only brought back the morale and credibility to this organization but I do see them making wise decisions from here on by eliminating the quick fix method and soley concentrating on making the knicks a good team for a very very long time.

NJ has a nice duo in the front office as well with Thorn/Kiki

The Atlantic division will be back to being respectable compared to the other divisions
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5/14/2008  12:12 PM
wrong forum

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5/14/2008  12:24 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

didn't say it was a strong division. i said there was going to be strong *inter-divison* competition. two different things altogether.


Maybe two or three years from now that's possible as Boston fades, Toronto stays about the same, Philly improves some but maybe not all that much, and the Knicks improve. Nets are the unknown I think its hard to speculate what they're going to do.

You could very well have five average teams all vying for ~40 wins at one point 2-3 years down the road.

In the short term there's division though. Boston and now Philly are clearly better than the others. Toronto is middle of the road. Nets and Knicks aren't looking all that good for a year or two barring any unforseen luck of trade or draft (which is possible of course but no need to predict a team's w/l placement BEFORE those transactions occur or dont occur).



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5/14/2008  1:18 PM
well, i said two years ago that this division will do well this year. well, i was wrong. well, 2-5 years from now this is what COULD happen:

philly- i hate philly but i agree that they are in a better position than the other teams. they will most likely get a free agent to help a young, improving team. they will sign iggy and maybe get arenas or brand and rip it up.

boston- true, they are older but those players are GOOD. i think they will make it past the cavs and give detroit a run for their money. they will still be the top team in the next 3 years. the question is after that or does it matter if they win a championship or two within the time frame.

toronto- this was a down year but they have young talent. bosh and bargnani are still a formidable frontcourt duo and ford/calderon ( if he stays) are a good backcourt tandem. they do need pieces like someone who does the dirty work to help bosh but they will be fine for the next 4 years.

nets- making a spiral down to the bottom and they are obviously going to clear up cap space. they will try to be players in the bron bron market and most likely will pick up a good free agent from that class. eerily in the same boat as us. could have enough talent to tease though.

knicks- wild card question mark. i thought this team had talent last year and d'antoni said the same thing. however, it is how well they mesh together which has been a disaster. make no bones about it, we are targeting 2010 or 2011 to get a good player and that is when i expect a turnaround. sheridan is right that this decade is a wash, probably the worst decade in knick history. however, the balance always tips the other way which means next decade, we are due for some great basketball.
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5/14/2008  1:44 PM
Posted by MS:

This division is not very strong

Boston: Made a horrible deal for Ray Allen. West, Green, and Wally would be making more of a contribution and be better for the franchise long term. Ray looks very average in these playoffs, i don't really think you have to worry about the Celtics, they have a window that will be slightly open for one more year, and they are going to lose to Cleveland

Philly: Is not really going any where either, I like Iggy but i would move the guy for some young talent, there is no reason to give him near max dollars, Miller is a great pg but is getting older and their cap isn't going to be as appealing after this summer. Young is going to be a very good player, unless they get brand for 11-12 million a year their future is what they were this year

Raptors: How scared should anyone really be of this team. Their gm blew a change to really build a contender with his draft choice last year and they have a double headed pg which isn't going to yeild them a top talent so how to they get someone to sign there.

The Nets: I would be worried about, they have a way of ripping off every team when they make a trade, Kidd, Carter, and Harris were all win wins, and they draft well Kristic, Jefferson, and Willaims, they will have the ability to make a trade and if williams matures as a player they will be very dangerous.

It was obvious KG wasn't coming unless Boston did the Ray Allen deal
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