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holfresh
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5/10/2008  12:09 PM
If the Knicks hire Mike D'Antoni for the job as coach of this basketball team, it's sending a message that the Knicks are not rebuilding...The organization is still going down he road of starphucking in hopes of getting better...I was hoping Mark Jax would be hired sending a signal we are changing the game plan by rebuilding and letting the new coach learn on the job...I think it's been proven many times that this plan,starphucking, doesn't work...I'm beginning to think the reason Walsh was hired is to turn around the Knicks the way Indiana was turned around after the Reggie Miller and Co. era...This will just prolong the time it will take this organization to be competitive again...I would much rather go the Altanta route than the Celtic route when it comes to creating/building a winning basketball environment...

Freaking Dolan is still pulling the strings and Knick fans will continue to be disappointed...If D'Antoni is hired, it will be a sad day for Knick basketball, not because he isn't capable but because of the direction this organization is going...So my good friends, saddle up, the starphucking train is pulling out of Penn Station once again....

[Edited by - holfresh on 05-10-2008 12:17 PM]
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5/10/2008  12:45 PM
You got it all wrong. Rebuilding isn't done the way you think it should be done it partly correct. Rebuilding means allowing players who have been drafted play into a system that will make them successful. Last few years the KNicks have been adding young talent to the team this year will yeild another talented player. How many draft choices do you want before we move forward. I think the Knicks have the necessary peices to work into a solid team. I'm talking about young players I'm excluding the Curry, Crawford and Zach from the list of young talent. I'm more interested in Chandler, Lee, Nate, Balkman, Morris and this years pick. Next year the Knicks are still gonna get a nice high pick. But the difference is that the Knicks will have a system in place and will draft the best available player that fits the system. Thats what you guys are missing here that the Knicks will be drafting based on a system not just drafting a player. This years draft and next years draft will have purpose to the system. Thats what you want you want purpose. Jackson doesn't even have a clue about coaching all you would be doing is stagnating the talent the Knicks have with poor coaching and basically holding back the talent from growing to it potential that was the case under Isiah Thomas. He wasn't a very good coach it hurts the talent of the young players. Without having an idea,a plan and solid foundation good coaching, you going to hurt the players more than help the young players. Right now Mark Jackson is more suited to be a GM than a coach. He should be the GM I'm in favor of that.
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5/10/2008  1:08 PM
You also have to draft the players who is talented enough to be difference makers...Young talent isn't enough..You need to get in a position to draft top tier talent, maybe say picks 1-4 and build around that....The young Knick talent you refer to are all on or about the same talent plateau and not really suited to build a team around, although decent pieces...We can all hope they get better and lead us somewhere but thats not likely...

No one is saying Jackson is the answer...My bigger point was the direction of the organization...Acquiring young mediocre talent and hope they can lead us somewhere is not a plan either, see the last 4 years....
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5/10/2008  1:21 PM
Posted by holfresh:

You also have to draft the players who is talented enough to be difference makers...Young talent isn't enough..You need to get in a position to draft top tier talent, maybe say picks 1-4 and build around that....The young Knick talent you refer to are all on or about the same talent plateau and not really suited to build a team around, although decent pieces...We can all hope they get better and lead us somewhere but thats not likely...

No one is saying Jackson is the answer...My bigger point was the direction of the organization...Acquiring young mediocre talent and hope they can lead us somewhere is not a plan either, see the last 4 years....

Thats exactly the thing here that the Knicks young players aren't all mediocre, I think Chandler is going to be a nice player in this league he has game. He is solid player he is one of the few Knicks that can be considered as two way player. Last year Isiah held his growth back because he was clueless. Isiah had the team playing who knows what the hell the style it was disorganized. Give these guys a chance with a good coach with experience and organiztion. This draft we still don't know where the KNicks are going to draft yet lets wait lets see what happens because there are some players in the draft that might have impact. To me the most important thing you can give a bad team is an identity. D'Antoni, Johnson and Thibodeau bring it. wether its offense or defense. The most vital thing for any team and its players is identity.



[Edited by - Vmart on 05-10-2008 1:23 PM]
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5/10/2008  1:50 PM

Do you not agree that this has been the policies of the two past failed regimes and Dolan is still pulling the stings on all these moves...How can this ever be good for this basketball organization...
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5/10/2008  2:06 PM
I totally agree. Isiah is still employed, the media policy is still in place, and now the Knicks have won a bidding war for a coach who doesn't fit their style. MJax or Thibedeau will be hired by Chicago next and either will prove to be a much better coach than D'Antoni. Dolan is a dumd@ss and Walsh is a puppet/sellout.
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5/10/2008  2:10 PM
Posted by holfresh:


Do you not agree that this has been the policies of the two past failed regimes and Dolan is still pulling the stings on all these moves...How can this ever be good for this basketball organization...

According to Mark Cuban and his Blog all the main decisions are passed through the Owner. Donnie brings it up and Dolan entertains it. Thats the way it is.
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5/10/2008  2:18 PM
Hiring a succesful coach= starphucking?

You guys would seriously be happy hiring a no name or a loser cause that wouldn't be starphucking?

Starphucking is going for an overrated big name talent to put butts in seats, but doesn't necessarily win games or win as many games as he should (see our roster and our former team president). D'Antoni is an effective coach with a great winning percentage- this isn't like bringing Lenny Wilkens out of retirement.

You guys are all stung by Larry Brown not working out- but fail to consider the personality dynamic/contrasting visions between him and Isiah. Donnie Walsh has never been a GM that goes off in a different direction as a coach. He is a professional who will work with whomever he hires.

Hiring a coach who wins game is a GOOD thing.
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5/10/2008  2:26 PM
Posted by CrushAlot:

I totally agree. Isiah is still employed, the media policy is still in place, and now the Knicks have won a bidding war for a coach who doesn't fit their style. MJax or Thibedeau will be hired by Chicago next and either will prove to be a much better coach than D'Antoni. Dolan is a dumd@ss and Walsh is a puppet/sellout.

If no-Style means style then I would agree.....This team is like an allstar team minus the allstars. No system, no cohesion, no team.
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5/10/2008  2:29 PM
just so we are clear...

hiring a guy with no experience running an NBA team (Jackson, etc) = good

hiring a guy that turned around a losing situation and compiled a great winning % = bad

OK... I got it.
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5/10/2008  2:45 PM
Posted by fishmike:

just so we are clear...

hiring a guy with no experience running an NBA team (Jackson, etc) = good

hiring a guy that turned around a losing situation and compiled a great winning % = bad

OK... I got it.

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5/10/2008  2:57 PM

Again, the issue is not who we hire but the direction of the organization...We can hire D'Antoni, get him the pieces that makes him happy, starphucking all over again, continue what's been happening here the last 8 years under another name...Or we can make a clean break and rebuild...If D'Antoni comes here with the idea of rebuilding from the ground up, I'm all for it...I doubt that is the case at 6 mil per year...It bothers no one that this has the looks like a deal with Dolan's fingerprints all over it...
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5/10/2008  2:59 PM
Posted by holfresh:


Again, the issue is not who we hire but the direction of the organization...We can hire D'Antoni, get him the pieces that makes him happy, starphucking all over again, continue what's been happening here the last 8 years under another name...Or we can make a clean break and rebuild...If D'Antoni comes here with the idea of rebuilding from the ground up, I'm all for it...I doubt that is the case at 6 mil per year...It bothers no one that this has the looks like a deal with Dolan's fingerprints all over it...


Why does it matter how much money he makes Holfresh?

Isn't it possible that D'Antoni is aware of the rebuilding situation, as well as the Knicks, and just want to have him locked up so when they are indeed done rebuilding, they already have a quality coach with a vision in place?
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Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:


Again, the issue is not who we hire but the direction of the organization...We can hire D'Antoni, get him the pieces that makes him happy, starphucking all over again, continue what's been happening here the last 8 years under another name...Or we can make a clean break and rebuild...If D'Antoni comes here with the idea of rebuilding from the ground up, I'm all for it...I doubt that is the case at 6 mil per year...It bothers no one that this has the looks like a deal with Dolan's fingerprints all over it...


Why does it matter how much money he makes Holfresh?

Isn't it possible that D'Antoni is aware of the rebuilding situation, as well as the Knicks, and just want to have him locked up so when they are indeed done rebuilding, they already have a quality coach with a vision in place?

Call me cynical, I've been watching Dolan and this organization the last 8 years...So now you think they have or are going to change...My point is not the coach, my point is what it means in terms of direction...I just don't see the Knicks/Dolan hiring a good coach for big money then going out to say, rebuild..Can't see it happening...Every move so far after Isiah says win now...To me, this move confirms it..
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5/10/2008  3:27 PM
Posted by holfresh:


Call me cynical, I've been watching Dolan and this organization the last 8 years...So now you think they have or are going to change...My point is not the coach, my point is what it means in terms of direction...I just don't see the Knicks/Dolan hiring a good coach for big money then going out to say, rebuild..Can't see it happening...Every move so far after Isiah says win now...To me, this move confirms it..

I don't blame you for being cynical. You and I have had our battles and you know I'm as cynical as they come, but once Walsh was hired, I took it as a breathe of fresh air and that it meant that Dolan was finally letting someone else run this basketball franchise. I think Dolan has finally come to grips with the fact that people are going to come games no matter what. The team has been crap the past few years and people were still coming, I don't think by uttering the word "rebuilding" that people will stop coming, people are always going to come.

We're going to have to agree to disagree, I think this was Walsh going out and getting the guy he wants.
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5/10/2008  4:04 PM
Posted by holfresh:


Again, the issue is not who we hire but the direction of the organization...We can hire D'Antoni, get him the pieces that makes him happy, starphucking all over again, continue what's been happening here the last 8 years under another name...Or we can make a clean break and rebuild...If D'Antoni comes here with the idea of rebuilding from the ground up, I'm all for it...I doubt that is the case at 6 mil per year...It bothers no one that this has the looks like a deal with Dolan's fingerprints all over it...

OR

as we rebuild this team, this roster, this culture we can hire the best coach available.

Just a thought
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5/10/2008  6:26 PM
Posted by holfresh:

If the Knicks hire Mike D'Antoni for the job as coach of this basketball team, it's sending a message that the Knicks are not rebuilding...The organization is still going down he road of starphucking in hopes of getting better...I was hoping Mark Jax would be hired sending a signal we are changing the game plan by rebuilding and letting the new coach learn on the job...I think it's been proven many times that this plan,starphucking, doesn't work...I'm beginning to think the reason Walsh was hired is to turn around the Knicks the way Indiana was turned around after the Reggie Miller and Co. era...This will just prolong the time it will take this organization to be competitive again...I would much rather go the Altanta route than the Celtic route when it comes to creating/building a winning basketball environment...

Freaking Dolan is still pulling the strings and Knick fans will continue to be disappointed...If D'Antoni is hired, it will be a sad day for Knick basketball, not because he isn't capable but because of the direction this organization is going...So my good friends, saddle up, the starphucking train is pulling out of Penn Station once again....

[Edited by - holfresh on 05-10-2008 12:17 PM]

You are 100% correct. This is just more of the same old ****.

This is no different than acquiring Zach Randolph last summer, just because he was a big flashy name with "stats" who became very available.

Big name...check

Looking for the most money...check

Unwanted from his last stop...check

Bad fit...check

Continue Isiah's misguided attempt to build the Suns East...check

Be entertaining enough to sell tickets and lose in the 2nd rd every year with no realistic chance at contending for championships...check

Starphuck...double check

They'll never be lucky enough to acquire the kind of talent that D'Antoni had to work with in Phoenix. At best you're looking at the Warriors and Nuggets. Think the Rick Pitino Knicks but without a franchise center. D'Antoni relies on the run and gun to cover up the fact that his teams are poor defensively and don't execute well in the half court. That's a recipe for entertainment, not championships.

D'Antoni is a bad fit and it's sad that some Knicks fans are so desperate that they can't or refuse to see it.

This is a total Isiah and Dolan move. Walsh is proving that he's here for the money and doesn't mind being a puppet. Isiah wants to be the Phoenix Suns of the East and Dolan wants to get big names here to keep their season ticket holders and sell tickets. Keep being suckers. That's exactly what they want.
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5/10/2008  6:39 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by holfresh:

If the Knicks hire Mike D'Antoni for the job as coach of this basketball team, it's sending a message that the Knicks are not rebuilding...The organization is still going down he road of starphucking in hopes of getting better...I was hoping Mark Jax would be hired sending a signal we are changing the game plan by rebuilding and letting the new coach learn on the job...I think it's been proven many times that this plan,starphucking, doesn't work...I'm beginning to think the reason Walsh was hired is to turn around the Knicks the way Indiana was turned around after the Reggie Miller and Co. era...This will just prolong the time it will take this organization to be competitive again...I would much rather go the Altanta route than the Celtic route when it comes to creating/building a winning basketball environment...

Freaking Dolan is still pulling the strings and Knick fans will continue to be disappointed...If D'Antoni is hired, it will be a sad day for Knick basketball, not because he isn't capable but because of the direction this organization is going...So my good friends, saddle up, the starphucking train is pulling out of Penn Station once again....

[Edited by - holfresh on 05-10-2008 12:17 PM]

You are 100% correct. This is just more of the same old ****.

This is no different than acquiring Zach Randolph last summer, just because he was a big flashy name with "stats" who became very available.

Big name...check

Looking for the most money...check

Unwanted from his last stop...check

Bad fit...check

Continue Isiah's misguided attempt to build the Suns East...check

Be entertaining enough to sell tickets and lose in the 2nd rd every year with no realistic chance at contending for championships...check

Starphuck...double check

They'll never be lucky enough to acquire the kind of talent that D'Antoni had to work with in Phoenix. At best you're looking at the Warriors and Nuggets. Think the Rick Pitino Knicks but without a franchise center. D'Antoni relies on the run and gun to cover up the fact that his teams are poor defensively and don't execute well in the half court. That's a recipe for entertainment, not championships.

D'Antoni is a bad fit and it's sad that some Knicks fans are so desperate that they can't or refuse to see it.

This is a total Isiah and Dolan move. Walsh is proving that he's here for the money and doesn't mind being a puppet. Isiah wants to be the Phoenix Suns of the East and Dolan wants to get big names here to keep their season ticket holders and sell tickets. Keep being suckers. That's exactly what they want.

Now that I agree with. How sad is it that I am at least looking forward to a more entertaining disaster next season? Maybe we'll win 35 games!

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5/10/2008  6:50 PM
Posted by holfresh:

If the Knicks hire Mike D'Antoni for the job as coach of this basketball team, it's sending a message that the Knicks are not rebuilding...T
[Edited by - holfresh on 05-10-2008 12:17 PM]

What a joke.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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