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Is Walsh a puppet if D'Antoni is hired?
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CrushAlot
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5/8/2008  6:06 PM
Isiah wasn't fired after all of the things that he has done. Now the alleged report is that Dolan has the money to pay 30 million for the guy he wants. Johnson, Jackson, Carlisle, and Thibideau all seem more like Walsh guys.
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5/8/2008  6:14 PM
I don't know if he's a puppet or not. I'd hope not.

Regardless I firmly believe this team _MUST_ be torn down and in that it is pointless to hire a DAntoni at 5 years to preside over the coaching of such a situation.

On the other hand, if we do hire DAntoni, we surely are NOT learning from mistakes, are NOT rebuilding, and the same idiots in charge before have infected Walsh into thinking this is a core you can IMPROVE just by making a trade or two and adding the right coach.

That's a gross underestimation of how absolutely TERRIBLE this core of players is.

If we're really trying to win now, and hiring DAntoni would certainly be a signal that we are, we're simply ****ed as fans.

If people believe that DAntoni is some magical creature that can make Zach, Crawful, Jeffries look like Nash, Amare, Marion - then well - they too are in the same sinking boat of lunacy.

One would hope this is just the usual classic case of someone using the Knicks penchant to overpay as a means to get the money they want from the team they actually want to go to.

If DAntoni is hired, I'd have to as a fan see what he can do before outright condemning the move, yet I firmly believe it's a very VERY poor decision to believe the problems that this roster has can be solved by hiring DAntoni and making a trade or two. That's simply not living anywhere near reality.

The two most perfect, REALISTIC, trades + DAntoni = maybe 42 wins and a first round exit in 09/10. If that's the plan, well...we're not going to be happy campers.

Yes, before it's asked, I'd rather win 20 games next year knowing we're REBUILDING than do all we can to try to win 35 and squeak into the playoffs like Atlanta did this season. For that merely cements you right back into mediocrity. This go around it'd be a few seasons of 40-42 win ball and first round exits.

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5/8/2008  6:17 PM
Walsh and D Antoni have history. He tried to hire him in Indiana to be on Isiah's staff.

I dont understand why this looks like a Dolan move if D Antoni is hired. D'Antoni has won 60+ games twice and 50+ twice in the last 4 years. Has had one of the top 2-3 two teams in the west for the past 4 years. This guy is a proven winner. He is not a sideshow or some big name former athlete ala Magic and Isiah which is who Dolan reached for.

D'Antoni has credibility and is a proven winner. So in that sense, this does not look like a Dolan move. It looks llike a basketball move by Walsh who wouldn't tarnish his 30 years of bb experience to become anybody's puppet. Especially a puppet to a man wouldn't know a bass-line from a base-line.

[Edited by - uptown on 05-08-2008 8:25 PM]

[Edited by - uptown on 05-08-2008 8:26 PM]
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5/8/2008  6:25 PM
Posted by Uptown:

Espcially a puppet to a man whouldn't know a bass-line from a base-line.

So you HAVE heard his band.

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5/8/2008  8:13 PM
Yeah it's really a puppet move to hire a guy that has won 62, 54, 61, 55 games in the past 4 years. Yeah, that makes a ton of sense...
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5/8/2008  8:20 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Yeah it's really a puppet move to hire a guy that has won 62, 54, 61, 55 games in the past 4 years. Yeah, that makes a ton of sense...

Seconded. Is CrushALot a puppet if he hates on a coach that turned a team from 20 wins to 62?
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5/8/2008  9:12 PM
He's the one that had that 21 win season to begin with.^

He got the guys he wanted in free agency the next year and they improved but his style was one that could never put them over the hump. As isles mentioned in another thread, he had an immense amount of talent and he failed with it and he can never replicate that talent again.
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5/8/2008  9:16 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Yeah it's really a puppet move to hire a guy that has won 62, 54, 61, 55 games in the past 4 years. Yeah, that makes a ton of sense...

We're hiring Steve Nash?

Well why the hell didn't ya say so?!?
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5/8/2008  9:38 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Yeah it's really a puppet move to hire a guy that has won 62, 54, 61, 55 games in the past 4 years. Yeah, that makes a ton of sense...

We're hiring Steve Nash?

Well why the hell didn't ya say so?!?

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5/9/2008  12:06 AM
The question is not who will be the coach.
The question is who will be the players.
This team is doomed with Jax or DiAntony if the players will stay as it is.
But if the roster will be dumped alltogether in 2 years (dont ask me how - this is irrelevant) who is the best of 2?
I think it is no-brainer.
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5/9/2008  4:55 AM
If this team pays D'Antoni $30 million for 5 years, then they are total idiots. His system works because he has Steve Nash. He got rid of Marbury b/c he was not the right fit for his system and Nate surely cannot run it. Unless we get Rose in the draft, D'Antoni will be totally useless b/c he has shown that he is not a defensive genius, which is really what this team needs.
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5/9/2008  6:41 AM
I wouldn't be in favor of D'Antoni unless he agreed to hire a strong defensive coach as an assistant. Doc Rivers did a lousy job coaching d for several years with the Celtics. They hired Thibodeaux as an assistant and their d became a strength. In any case I don't get the connection between hiring D'Antoni and Walsh's independence. Walsh is at the stage of his career where he doesn't have to take anything from anyone. My guess is that he's here because Stern leaned on Dolan.
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5/9/2008  7:24 PM
In regards to Walsh's independence, I think Isiah would be gone if it was up to Walsh. It had to be a condition of his hiring that he remain in place as a Knick employee. I also think Dolan is a big name guy and will pay to get what he wants so others can't get it. Charismatic, player coach type guys who don't make their players practice hard or play defense are not the kind of coaching canidates that the Knicks need to be looking at.
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Is Walsh a puppet if D'Antoni is hired?

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