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BRIGGS
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5/8/2008  1:36 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080507/ts_nm/usa_iran_latinamerica_dc
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5/9/2008  5:50 AM
Come on Briggs thats ridiculous!!! Iran threatening the US via South America like the USSR back in the days via Cuba!?! Pfaaaa... are you missing the clear times of good and bad from the cold war that much?!?
I mean I kind of understand it, things were so much easier to follow and understand back then!!! :-)
Well sometimes a governement just NEEDS an enemy for its own survival and to justify its own actions!!!
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5/9/2008  5:56 AM
Iran dumped the US $ for the euro and the yen for their oil which threatens the supremacy the dollar has built around the world. Thats what Saddam was doing when he got attacked. Iran is the second largest producer of barrels of oil/week right now.

http://www.reuters.com/article/oilRpt/idUSBLA02024820080430

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 05-09-2008 05:58 AM]
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5/9/2008  10:55 AM
Wait are we sure that Iran is the one threatening here:

Some quotes for Defense Secretary Gates
Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Tuesday that sending a second U.S. aircraft carrier to the Persian Gulf could serve as a “reminder” to Iran, but he said it’s not an escalation of force.

Of course this story couldn't be just another example of the typical Pentagon spin cycle.
Speaking to reporters after meeting with Mexican leaders, Gates said heightening U.S. criticism of Iran and its support for terror groups is not a signal that the administration is laying the groundwork for a strike against Tehran.

Asked if the carrier move went hand in hand with the rising U.S. rhetoric against Iran, Gates said, “I don’t see it as an escalation. I think it could be seen, though, as a reminder.“
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5/9/2008  11:07 AM
Iran is a problem folks.

Their rhetoric is strong, their majority population does not support their fundamental might and they need to take care of business or we will do it for them.

They need liberation also!

Iran is our Iraq exit strategy!
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5/9/2008  11:11 AM
Posted by Nalod:

Iran is a problem folks.

Their rhetoric is strong, their majority population does not support their fundamental might and they need to take care of business or we will do it for them.

They need liberation also!

Iran is our Iraq exit strategy!

Your being sacrastic right?
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5/9/2008  1:06 PM
Partially,

Iran is an interesting demographic. Ruling fundmental state with an iron fist with a youthier population that does not buy into it.

We are very vocal and will put pressure on that state which scares the majority. They have to change from within.

Why? Cuz Hillary gonna blast them into the dark ages, as would McCain, and Obama if they pose a threat to the balance of power and think they could nuke Isreal.

Is that wrong? Here how it could play out: Isreal will retaliate 100x over. No Arab state would stand for any Israli retaliation for any reason even if Iran totally deserved an ass kicking, so Isreal will wipe the slate clean in its absense. We can just "fix" Iran and take the sh!t for it, but its the lessor of two evils. If we wait the stakes get higher. If we do it sooner than later it looks like a pre emptive strike, but since they had yet to be the agressor then the US looks like a imperialistic agressor.

"Our Exit strategy?" Its a joke. A sarcastic bad joke.

Lets hope diplomacy can prevail first.
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5/9/2008  1:38 PM
we are in the situation w/ iran that we are in the first place b/c of the CIA's intervention in the early 50's and the removal of the very partial to the US shah.
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5/9/2008  3:39 PM
Posted by BigSm00th:

we are in the situation w/ iran that we are in the first place b/c of the CIA's intervention in the early 50's and the removal of the very partial to the US shah.

ANd we were there to keep him from aligning himself, or being weak and falling to the soviet union whom long coveted a warm water port and Irans Resources.

The Shah was a murderous Phuch but he was our Murderous Phuch and was the lessor of the evils presented to us at that time.

It was bad business then, as it is now, but there were few choices.
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5/9/2008  4:21 PM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by BigSm00th:

we are in the situation w/ iran that we are in the first place b/c of the CIA's intervention in the early 50's and the removal of the very partial to the US shah.

ANd we were there to keep him from aligning himself, or being weak and falling to the soviet union whom long coveted a warm water port and Irans Resources.

The Shah was a murderous Phuch but he was our Murderous Phuch and was the lessor of the evils presented to us at that time.

It was bad business then, as it is now, but there were few choices.

Does it ever occur to you that maybe the best plan of action is no action? Allow the Iranian people decide what form of government they want and whom they want to govern them? How many times does this type of intervention foreign policy have to blow up in our faces before we get a damn clue. Stay the hell out of our countrie's business.

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5/9/2008  4:34 PM
Thats naive.

Read up on the Ottoman Empire.

THe Middle East won't get resolved in our life time.

Its taken 3000 year to make that mess.
bitty41
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5/9/2008  5:10 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Thats naive.

Read up on the Ottoman Empire.

THe Middle East won't get resolved in our life time.

Its taken 3000 year to make that mess.

I'm well aware of the histoy but what the hell does that have to do with the United States minding their own business and allowing the citizens of Iran deciding whats best for them.

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5/9/2008  5:37 PM
The united states govt has a history of fooling the american public that all the other nations are evil and thinks we as a nation should go police them.

We as a nation loves to invade other countries after blaming them for some atrocity that we commited ourselves.

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5/9/2008  9:26 PM
"The united states govt has a history of fooling the american public" -- PLAYA


"ANd we were there to keep him from aligning himself, or being weak and falling to the soviet union whom long coveted a warm water port and Irans Resources." -- NALOD


talk all about the soviets, the cold war was exactly that -- cold. no fighting, a whole lot of BS and posturing on both sides. so if we didn't go into iran and basically create this theocracy then they would've fallen to the soviets and what started world war 3?

"Their rhetoric is strong, their majority population does not support their fundamental might and they need to take care of business or we will do it for them. They need liberation also!" i think nalod was being semi-saracastic here but still, thats what the gov't is going to say when they do it. when somebody lies over and over again, when do you stop believing the nonsense?

i'm with bitty (& ron paul) in that the US should stop messing w/ other people and trying to capitalize our hegemony power bull****.
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5/9/2008  10:07 PM
Our dear Imam said that the occupying regime must be wiped off the map and this was a very wise statement. We cannot compromise over the issue of Palestine. Is it possible to create a new front in the heart of an old front. This would be a defeat and whoever accepts the legitimacy of this regime has in fact, signed the defeat of the Islamic world. Our dear Imam targeted the heart of the world oppressor in his struggle, meaning the occupying regime. I have no doubt that the new wave that has started in Palestine, and we witness it in the Islamic world too, will eliminate this disgraceful stain from the Islamic world.---Mahmoud Ahmadinejad President of Iran 2005


Go back in history and read Adolf Hitler's writings and speeches--they are of the same rhetoric. The difference is Iran is bluntly manufacturing it's way to an arsenal of weapons of mass destruction. The United States flag has burned in Iran for 30 years on a daily basis.

They will not listen to reason--to stop the nuclear proliferation that is now ongoing now in Syria and Iran. They stick their chin up at us.

If they are able to construct a military infrastructure that runs through South America and build an arsenal with just enough weapons to bring the USA to it's knees--we will all watch our kids burn to ashes. This is a country that will not barter will not compromise who's President proclaimed that Israel should be wiped off the map.

History teaches us that we have to take this threat very seriously---it may come to a point where it will be our survival vs. theirs. You do not take a passive approach against this threat--you show strength to it's face and if need to crush your enemies.
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5/9/2008  10:36 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:

Iran dumped the US $ for the euro and the yen for their oil which threatens the supremacy the dollar has built around the world. Thats what Saddam was doing when he got attacked. Iran is the second largest producer of barrels of oil/week right now.

http://www.reuters.com/article/oilRpt/idUSBLA02024820080430

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 05-09-2008 05:58 AM]

EXACTLY!!!
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5/10/2008  2:07 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Our dear Imam said that the occupying regime must be wiped off the map and this was a very wise statement. We cannot compromise over the issue of Palestine. Is it possible to create a new front in the heart of an old front. This would be a defeat and whoever accepts the legitimacy of this regime has in fact, signed the defeat of the Islamic world. Our dear Imam targeted the heart of the world oppressor in his struggle, meaning the occupying regime. I have no doubt that the new wave that has started in Palestine, and we witness it in the Islamic world too, will eliminate this disgraceful stain from the Islamic world.---Mahmoud Ahmadinejad President of Iran 2005


Go back in history and read Adolf Hitler's writings and speeches--they are of the same rhetoric. The difference is Iran is bluntly manufacturing it's way to an arsenal of weapons of mass destruction. The United States flag has burned in Iran for 30 years on a daily basis.

They will not listen to reason--to stop the nuclear proliferation that is now ongoing now in Syria and Iran. They stick their chin up at us.

If they are able to construct a military infrastructure that runs through South America and build an arsenal with just enough weapons to bring the USA to it's knees--we will all watch our kids burn to ashes. This is a country that will not barter will not compromise who's President proclaimed that Israel should be wiped off the map.

History teaches us that we have to take this threat very seriously---it may come to a point where it will be our survival vs. theirs. You do not take a passive approach against this threat--you show strength to it's face and if need to crush your enemies.

So sad to hear an intelegent person (as far as I can tell from your postings here) buy into the SAME dumb rethoric of Bush (talking about a Hitler comparission - War of Good against Bad... White against Black!!! What the FUCK!!!) and some american media!!!
Ahmadinajad is exactly the same stupid mold of a moron as Bush is and if anything, THAT will lead to a war... Bush to me is AS much a threat to IRAN as Ahmadinajad is to the US and/or Israel... if not more! Anot BOTH are WRONG!!!

Taking up the point of changing from Dollar to euro or yen... well seriously, do you expect to deal your goods in the currency of a Nation threatening you country? That is just!

Please do NOT think I am taking the side of Ahmadinejad and the iranian governement and Mullahs concerning any issue, be it Israel, the US or anything else! BUT you are definately voicing a very very biased and manipulated opinion here!!! ESPECIALLY if you thing that IRAN is actually really ABLE to threaten the US via South America!!!
Cosign Bitty/Playa on their opinions concerning the US minding their own business!!!
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5/10/2008  9:49 AM
We should really try and fix the problem at home first. What is really pathetic about this whole thing is that the tax dollars if used correctly can help the economy. Instead, we are spending $300 million of tax money every 30 minutes in Iraq and eventually in Iran. And then we borrow money from China to come up with some BS plan to make up for tax cuts.
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5/10/2008  9:53 AM
Posted by Nalod:

Thats naive.

Read up on the Ottoman Empire.

THe Middle East won't get resolved in our life time.

Its taken 3000 year to make that mess.
If it wont get resolved in our lifetime why are we getting involved? Don't speculate unless you have a good track record. I am sure you will agree that we should not invade a country on speculation. Unless of course you agreed with the Iraq war which happened because of speculation of WMDs.
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