Philly Cops Beat and Pulverize detained suspects caught on tape
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playa2
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5/7/2008 7:04 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/05/07/police.beating/index.html
This looks worst than rodney king. Sheesh!
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playa2
Posts: 34922 Alba Posts: 15 Joined: 5/15/2003 Member: #407 |
5/7/2008 10:05 PM
But the suspects are DOWN on the ground, and any officer worth their salt knows how to subdue a suspect without resorting to the equivalent of a skinhead stomp. NOBODY CAN TELL ME ANY DIFFERENT.
It makes no sense. Nobody deserves to be beaten like that. They'll throw you in jail for treating a pit bull like that," said Leomia Dyches. [Edited by - playa2 on 07-05-2008 22:09]
JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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izybx
Posts: 22366 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 10/16/2006 Member: #1178 USA |
5/7/2008 10:52 PM
Of course I wouldnt kick someone who wasnt detained. Im just saying that I really dont feel bad for them. They are being charged with attempted murder and conspiracy to commit murder. These arent average citizens. These are garbage. The officers were stupid for beating them. Do what you got to do to get the cuffs on and then it stops. Thats the rules and everybody knows it. Im sure there will be suspensions and terminations, and thats what the officers deserve. Playa, why dont you do some research and find out about the person they just tried to murder?
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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
5/7/2008 11:20 PM
Cause--effect
Until African American and Latino American curb their huge crime rate numbers---situations like this will happen over and over. At some point the mental fragility of the cop [from the prior incidence of their fellow po being slaughtered] has to be taken into account. You have to ask yourself--if I was a cop and my buddy just got slaughtered and a bunch of thugs drive by me shooting to kill someone--what am I going to do. This video to me--and I think some police officers brutality is the product of cause and effect. They were mentally broken down by the violence caused via crime and the effect of the violence caused them to fight back against it--quite viciously. This is just human nature--police officers are not robots. Stopping the violence is the core root of the problem. The communities must work 20 times harder to help curb it RIP Crushalot😞
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BigSm00th
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5/7/2008 11:46 PM
BRIGGS, police aren't robots but they are still police, with standards and morals and the whole cop code b.s. they shouldn't stomp ppl like that after they've been apprehended, i don't care if they are "mentally fragile" b/c cops have been killed recently. that is not an excuse. if you wear a badge you are given EXTRA abilities to police other citizens BY THE LAW, you should always maintain that. if these guys are teetering mentally they should take a leave of absence.
i also don't think its fair to say "until african american and latino americans curb their huge crime rate #'s" b/c the system is broken. instead of writing the races you should write "until poor ppl. curb the crime rates" and that is a problem that the government needs to help them w/ (which they don't). once again i'll direct somebody to this, briggs, read this month's playboy, excellent jason whitlock article called 'the black KKK' about our prison system, gangs, and drugs. really eye-opening stuff, i think you'll consider the situation (not w/ the cops but w/ straight reality of poor minorities) a lot differently. #Knickstaps
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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
5/7/2008 11:54 PM
Posted by BigSm00th: How can their mental fragility not be taken into account? If someone just slaughtered your brother--your father your best friend etc.. how would your state of mind be? Police officer is just like you--human being. I understand what you are saying but understand the other side of the arguement. There are more poor white American people than Latino and african american COMBINED in this country. So why is the hard 7 crimes dominated by 90% from AA and Latino? Being poor isnt an excuse to murder rape assault etc... RIP Crushalot😞
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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
5/8/2008 12:33 AM
Posted by BigSm00th: --->curb the crime rates" and that is a problem that the government needs to help them Why does the government need to help individuals make basic decisions? You can choose to NOT commit a crime--why blame the government? It's time for African Americans and Latino Americans to make better decisions as individuals and communities --they need leaders who will say we hurt ourselves by these actions instead of guys like Al Sharpton and Jeremiah Wright who want to blame everything and everyone else and promoting more hate/crime. How about a Jeremiah Wright stand up and say we must not pick up guns--we must not commit crime against ourselves--we must help the police and help the communities to bring law and order so our kids can walk to school without fear of a bullet. RIP Crushalot😞
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BigSm00th
Posts: 24504 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 12/9/2001 Member: #178 USA |
5/8/2008 1:22 AM
BRIGGS, come on. they also need better schools, better parenting, better everything. i agree, they do need better leaders and i think there are a lot of people out there. read the article i told you to read and get back to me, i honestly think you'll really appreciate it. plus its playboy, you get all the pictures too
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playa2
Posts: 34922 Alba Posts: 15 Joined: 5/15/2003 Member: #407 |
5/8/2008 9:16 AM
How can their mental fragility not be taken into account? If someone just slaughtered your brother--your father your best friend etc.. how would your state of mind be? Police officer is just like you--human being. I understand what you are saying but understand the other side of the arguement. There are more poor white American people than Latino and african american COMBINED in this country. So why is the hard 7 crimes dominated by 90% from AA and Latino? Being poor isnt an excuse to murder rape assault etc... [/quote] Briggs why do you think this is so? REPORT: MORE WHITES USE DRUGS, MORE BLACKS IMPRISONED The nation's war on drugs unfairly targets African Americans, who are far more likely to be imprisoned for drug offenses than whites even though far more whites use illegal drugs than blacks, according to a new report by the advocacy group Human Rights Watch. The report, to be released today, said that African Americans accounted for 62 percent of the drug offenders sent to state prisons nationwide in 1996, the most recent year for which statistics are available, although they represent just 12 percent of the U.S. population. Overall, black men are sent to state prisons on drug charges at 13 times the rate of white men, according to the study, which analyzes a wide range of Justice Department information for 37 states to come up with its findings. These disparities exist even though data gathered by the Department of Health and Human Services show that in 1991, 1992 and 1993, about five times as many whites had used cocaine than blacks, the report said. The report added that drug transactions among blacks often are easier for police to target because they more often occur in public than do drug transactions among whites. "These racial disparities are a national scandal," said Ken Roth, executive director of Human Rights Watch, an international human rights organization. "Black and white drug offenders get radically different treatment in the American justice system. This is not only profoundly unfair to blacks, it also corrodes the American ideal of equal justice for all." The disparities are particularly striking in individual states, where black men are sent to prison on drug charges at rates as much as 57 times greater than that of white men. In Maryland, for example, blacks make up 27 percent of the population and 90 percent of those sent to prison on drug charges – for a rate that is 28 times greater than whites. In Virginia, meanwhile, blacks are 82 percent of those sent to prison on drug charges and just 20 percent of the population. Overall, they are sent to prison on drug charges at a rate 21 times greater than whites. "More blacks were sent to state prison nationwide on drug charges than for crimes of violence," Jamie Fellner, associate counsel for Human Rights Watch, wrote in the report. "Only 27 percent of black admissions to prison were for crimes of violence – compared to 38 percent for drug offenses." The Human Rights Watch report adds to a growing array of studies documenting racial disparities in the nation's criminal justice system. A report last month by the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights found that African Americans and Hispanics are treated more harshly than similarly situated whites at every level of the criminal justice system. And that report came on the heels of a study by the National Council on Crime and Delinquency showing that black and Hispanic youth are more likely than whites to be arrested, prosecuted, held in jail without bail and sentenced to long prison terms. Remedies suggested in the Human Rights Watch report include the repeal of mandatory sentencing laws for drug offenders, increasing drug treatment and eliminating racial profiling as a police tactic. Largely because of the huge disparity in imprisonment for drug offenses, blacks are sent to prison at 8.2 times the rate of whites. Overall, one in 20 black men over the age of 18 is in a state or federal prison, compared to one in 180 white men. "Prison is a legitimate criminal sanction," the report said. "But it should be used sensibly, justly, parsimoniously, and with due consideration . . . and respect for human dignity required by international human rights law. The incarceration of hundreds of thousands of low-level, non-violent drug offenders betrays indifference to such considerations
JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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bitty41
Posts: 22316 Alba Posts: 5 Joined: 12/3/2006 Member: #1215 |
5/8/2008 12:58 PM
Why does the government need to help individuals make basic decisions? You can choose to NOT commit a crime--why blame the government? It's time for African Americans and Latino Americans to make better decisions as individuals and communities --they need leaders who will say we hurt ourselves by these actions instead of guys like Al Sharpton and Jeremiah Wright who want to blame everything and everyone else and promoting more hate/crime. How about a Jeremiah Wright stand up and say we must not pick up guns--we must not commit crime against ourselves--we must help the police and help the communities to bring law and order so our kids can walk to school without fear of a bullet. Firstly, Briggs your prejudiced and I mean in the sense that you have in your mind how certain held beliefs for blacks and Latinos. And you take your own held beliefs and apply that to entire race of people. If you know your history at all you will see that in this country's poor groups whether it was the Irish, Italians, Eastern Europeans etc usually have/had a higher crime rate. So its not about the race of people Briggs its about the economics. If you look at middle class Black or Latino neighborhoods you will most likely see a lower crime rate, higher rate of education, etc. So after you drop all your assumptions about black and Latinos then you could maybe move into a comprehensive discussion about the relations between race/crime/economics. |
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martin
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5/8/2008 1:22 PM
Posted by bitty41:Why does the government need to help individuals make basic decisions? You can choose to NOT commit a crime--why blame the government? It's time for African Americans and Latino Americans to make better decisions as individuals and communities --they need leaders who will say we hurt ourselves by these actions instead of guys like Al Sharpton and Jeremiah Wright who want to blame everything and everyone else and promoting more hate/crime. How about a Jeremiah Wright stand up and say we must not pick up guns--we must not commit crime against ourselves--we must help the police and help the communities to bring law and order so our kids can walk to school without fear of a bullet. Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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playa2
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5/8/2008 4:06 PM
Posted by izybx:Posted by playa2: From Philly newspaper: A Philadelphia police sergeant and five officers have been removed from street duty in connection with Monday night's violent arrest of three shooting suspects, an event that a Fox29 news helicopter recorded and that yesterday aired nationally on ABC News. Commissioner Charles H. Ramsey and Mayor Nutter announced the restriction of duty at a news conference late yesterday afternoon in front of Police Headquarters. Ramsey said that the five officers had been seen participating in the beating, and that the sergeant had been removed from duty "for failing to take supervisory action to intervene." Their names were not released. Ramsey said other officers would likely be removed from duty as they were identified from the 11-minute video, which Fox29 first aired Tuesday morning. The video, shot from a helicopter over the 4500 block of North Fourth Street in Feltonville, shows The three men apprehended Monday night remained in custody yesterday. According to court records, each was charged with multiple counts of attempted murder, conspiracy, aggravated and simple assault, recklessly endangering another person, and firearms violations. They were identified as Dwayne (sometimes spelled Dawayne) Dyches, 24, of the 2000 block of North Marshall Street in North Philadelphia; Brian Hall, 23, of the 1900 block of North Marshall Street; and Pete Hopkins, 19, of the 2000 block of East Firth Street in Kensington. Bail was $500,000 for Dyches, $400,000 for Hopkins, and $100,000 for Hall. When arrested, Dyches was out on bail awaiting trial on three drug-possession cases, tentatively scheduled for this month and next. Hopkins was out on bail awaiting trial on a charge of criminal trespass. D. Scott Perrine, a Center City lawyer who says he is representing the three men, has said police did not have probable cause to follow and arrest the three and had no excuse for beating and kicking them. Perrine said his clients had nothing to do with the shooting. He said police had assumed they were participants because they had driven away shortly after the shooting. Police, however, said officers had watched the vehicle from the time it arrived at Fourth and Annsbury Streets in Feltonville about 10 p.m. Monday to when an occupant fired on a group of people gathered there. Police have not identified the three who were wounded because they are crime victims. The unidentified shooter - who was still at large last night - fled on foot, and the vehicle, a 2000 Mercury Grand Marquis, sped off. The officers followed the vehicle. Police said they had found fifteen 9mm cartridge casings at the shooting scene. No gun was found in the vehicle. The car was stopped about two miles away, where, as depicted in the Fox29 video, about 15 officers rushed to it and pulled the three men out, kicking and hitting them while they were on the ground until they were handcuffed.
JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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GKFv2
Posts: 26752 Alba Posts: 114 Joined: 1/16/2007 Member: #1259 USA |
5/8/2008 4:28 PM
Once again izy is going out of his way to defend police like it's his family. I don't care if you worked for the police before or still do, most of them are egomaniacal pieces of crap who wear a badge so they can abuse their power. I've witnessed this firsthand and I am white. There are good cops out there and I'm not saying they are all evil or anything but there many who are jackasses and a lot of them reside in the undercover and narcotics sections.
Thank you, Rick Brunson.
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Philly Cops Beat and Pulverize detained suspects caught on tape