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purple012870
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5/1/2008  9:07 AM
I know he was a widely respected player (like Nate MacMillan or our own Malik Rose).

Also, know he was on the cusp of being fired last year, but the Raptors responded by winning the division.

He may or not be out now after the 1st round Raptor exit.

He's obviously a well respected guy with a lot of integrity, but what kind of coach is he?

Offensively, can the free flowing, unselfish Raptor system be attributed to Mitchell or is it more a result of a collection of fine shooters, pass 1st PGs & a top low post threat in Bosh?

Defensively, is the somewhat soft defense more a result of a bunch of Euro pansies or can it be attributed to Mitchell?
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5/1/2008  9:21 AM
OF COURSE IT'S THE EURO PANSIES.

The euro players that are cut throat in their play helps there team get over the hump(Parker Ginobli Nocioni) Nowitzki-Barganni types will never do that.
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5/1/2008  9:32 AM
That's way I don't want him to coach our US pansies
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5/1/2008  10:29 AM
Sam is good at using who he has. I think he's done a great job at that. This offense he's running is pretty good as well. I didn't think he'd be able to pull it off, but he got the players playing to their strengths......he doesn't have as much talent as his record suggests ihmo. He does have a bunch of gamers. Lots of ball players.

The Knicks don't have the right mix of personalities, or playing styles. This gonna be a total restructure......I believe Sam can built a playing foundation if the gm and team president are focused on giving sam the right mix. Same type of player, mentally, physically, and professionally. I believe he could blend it together.
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5/1/2008  10:31 AM
i like smitch. the fact that the roster and his style are different yet the team still somehow functions on a decent level shows that he is a competent coach.

with that said, the raptors were not prepared going into each playoff series the past 2 years. but he does make adjustments.

i think he's a developing coach that has a knack to get guys to play hard for him. i think it's b/c he's straight forward and holds everyone accountable.

i would like to see him work with a roster more suited to his style...but his x's and o's have a long way to go.

and i don't think he's available unless colangelo wants d'antoni.
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5/1/2008  10:34 AM
Mitchell came to a team with veterans who stunk and who were quitters. He butted heads with them until several were gone.

Then a few of the leftovers bought into his system and despite starting what was it 1-15 that one year they played ~.500 the rest of the way.

Then Colangelo gives him the shooters team and they won 47 games. Then came reality and they get bounced badly by Orlando in the 1st round this year after having a letdown of a regular season.

Now Sam is out the door...but...will suggest he has experience and will want the big payday with long term job security.

Is he really the man for the job here? Other than to come in and butt heads with these boneheaded players we have......


I admired the fact that Sam wouldn't put up with anyones BS, especially guys like Carter, but it didn't lead the team to any promised land so I don't think he's worth the look, personally.

Again, though, until 7 or 8 players are no longer wearing Orange & Blue you can't expect ANY coach to have a largely positive impact on the team. It's just not going to happen. There's years of proof to back up such an assumption.

In fact, being so tied into so many of these guys to 2010 and 2011 is making a coaching search very difficult IMO.
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5/1/2008  10:44 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

i like smitch. the fact that the roster and his style are different yet the team still somehow functions on a decent level shows that he is a competent coach.

with that said, the raptors were not prepared going into each playoff series the past 2 years. but he does make adjustments.

i think he's a developing coach that has a knack to get guys to play hard for him. i think it's b/c he's straight forward and holds everyone accountable.

i would like to see him work with a roster more suited to his style...but his x's and o's have a long way to go.

and i don't think he's available unless colangelo wants d'antoni.

Colangelo clearly had tongue in cheek his ringing endorsement or retaining Smith. Colangelo is bidding his time. I thought it was interesting in the report of Kerr dismissing rumor. It was brought out Steve contacted D'Antoni to see what the story was. I'm thinking well Kerr if you didn't put the story out there why are you contacting D'Antoni to see what the deal was? Seems like there's some obvious trust issues going on at this point and watching Kerr's body language at some of the playoff games, the guy looked extremely pissed. I believe Kerr wants to fire D'Antoni, he can't think of a capable coach to replace him with, at the moment.

Steve Nash didn't have anything to say positive in his post game commentS. After he blamed himself and the team's execution he said things like... "We don't have the same commitment like the Spurs"... We don't have 100% trust and confidence in what we're trying to run like the Spurs." Amare didn't back him up either one of his comments were "I'm not going to worry about that situation we have people here to address those issues"

If I were Kerr I'd strongly consider Fratello, JVG, or Carlisle. Let D'Antoni go run his girly man offensive no defensive system somewhere else.



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-01-2008 09:46 AM]
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5/1/2008  11:24 AM
not sure why th hate for d'antoni. the guy has won 50+ games for 4 years in a row. made nash into a 2 time mvp.

05 - lost to the world champion spurs
06 - lost to the mavs in the wcf (w/o amare)
07 - lost to the world champion spurs (brawl)
08 - lost to the probably world champion spurs

he's only guilty of not being able to beat the spurs when fully healthy.

the guy that's the problem is amare. great player but high maintenance and doesn't hold himself accountable for nothing...besides constantly getting abused by tim duncan during big moments of the game.
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5/1/2008  11:31 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

not sure why th hate for d'antoni. the guy has won 50+ games for 4 years in a row. made nash into a 2 time mvp.

05 - lost to the world champion spurs
06 - lost to the mavs in the wcf (w/o amare)
07 - lost to the world champion spurs (brawl)
08 - lost to the probably world champion spurs

he's only guilty of not being able to beat the spurs when fully healthy.

the guy that's the problem is amare. great player but high maintenance and doesn't hold himself accountable for nothing...besides constantly getting abused by tim duncan during big moments of the game.

Yea D'Antoni has one of the best resumes in coaching whether you like his style or not the guy has gotten results.
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5/1/2008  11:34 AM
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by djsunyc:

not sure why th hate for d'antoni. the guy has won 50+ games for 4 years in a row. made nash into a 2 time mvp.

05 - lost to the world champion spurs
06 - lost to the mavs in the wcf (w/o amare)
07 - lost to the world champion spurs (brawl)
08 - lost to the probably world champion spurs

he's only guilty of not being able to beat the spurs when fully healthy.

the guy that's the problem is amare. great player but high maintenance and doesn't hold himself accountable for nothing...besides constantly getting abused by tim duncan during big moments of the game.

Yea D'Antoni has one of the best resumes in coaching whether you like his style or not the guy has gotten results.

But the fact is that Phoenix has never been a good defensive team under him and if you want to have a chance of winning a championship that's a big part of the recipe. If we hire D'Antoni, I think we have to insist on there being a strong defensive assistant coach like Thibodeau.
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5/1/2008  11:36 AM
Posted by Ira:
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by djsunyc:

not sure why th hate for d'antoni. the guy has won 50+ games for 4 years in a row. made nash into a 2 time mvp.

05 - lost to the world champion spurs
06 - lost to the mavs in the wcf (w/o amare)
07 - lost to the world champion spurs (brawl)
08 - lost to the probably world champion spurs

he's only guilty of not being able to beat the spurs when fully healthy.

the guy that's the problem is amare. great player but high maintenance and doesn't hold himself accountable for nothing...besides constantly getting abused by tim duncan during big moments of the game.

Yea D'Antoni has one of the best resumes in coaching whether you like his style or not the guy has gotten results.

But the fact is that Phoenix has never been a good defensive team under him and if you want to have a chance of winning a championship that's a big part of the recipe. If we hire D'Antoni, I think we have to insist on there being a strong defensive assistant coach like Thibodeau.

his tenure in pheonix resembles riley's in ny.

is it riley's fault that the knicks were never a good enough offensive team to win a championship? he had just a good a chance of winning a title as riley. riley couldn't get past jordan. d'antoni couldn't get past duncan. that takes NOTHING away from their philosphy or coaching ability.
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5/1/2008  11:37 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

not sure why th hate for d'antoni. the guy has won 50+ games for 4 years in a row. made nash into a 2 time mvp.

05 - lost to the world champion spurs
06 - lost to the mavs in the wcf (w/o amare)
07 - lost to the world champion spurs (brawl)
08 - lost to the probably world champion spurs

he's only guilty of not being able to beat the spurs when fully healthy.

the guy that's the problem is amare. great player but high maintenance and doesn't hold himself accountable for nothing...besides constantly getting abused by tim duncan during big moments of the game.


I think D'Antoni is a very good regular season coach. Playoffs he's suspect and I don't think he can do anymore for the Suns. He's taken them as far as he can. At this point they need a defensive strategist to come in and give them the confidence they need to win. I mean how long did it take him to make the adjustment of putting Diaw on Parker and put Diaw in the post? Why was Diaw his main post player when he has Amare and Shaq on the team? I mean D'Antoni got more out of a soft underachieving player in Tim Thomas 2yrs ago, because Thomas fits the exact profile of the style player D'Antoni likes to coach than he did Amare in this yr's playoffs when you factor in their overall talents. That tells me all I need to know about D'Antoni. He needs a team full of athletic soft perimeter play players and he'll look good. Nash, Barbosa, and Amare looked pretty ineffective this yr's playoffs and these players aren't slouches. You give D'Antoni a conventional team and force him to make more halfcourt adjustments as a coach, you're going to get so-so results.

That's why D'Antoni fits perfectly on the Raptors. He needs a 90-100% soft finess team.

I agree with you on Amare very overrated in many respects. Talented as all get out but hasn't figured it out and he was a player D'Antoni thought of trading when Amare made his initial comeback from microfracture surgery because STA was acting funny style on them.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-01-2008 10:56 AM]
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