Nalod the viewing of the video is not for you to rant on like a soap opera "as the world turns", but to show the hypocrisy of the media when they bash obama for his ex pastor comments, but not Hillary's wrong doing or MCcain indescretions in marriage- as a soldier etc... in the same way.

Korea has nuclear capabilities and nobody is calling them a threat.

To many like who? Like you?

I can't access the video. I am not sure if it is my computer or if as you perdicted you can no longer access it.

Thats the kind of back stabbing manipulating double crossing women I want running the country!

Peter Paul was a felon, tried to buy Bill, Got his company value thru the roof, then got over his head and messed with the wrong people.

Back in the old days Peter Paul would have gone "missing".

"A great person does not make for a great leader, and a great leader is not always a great person!".

History has been filled with that.

Objectivley I would say Obama is a very good person but what folks are not sure of is would he be an EFFECTIVE leader. Likewise Hillary may be the devil women in the flesh but she kicks ass.

Posted by playa2:

Hillary and MCcain would implement the same policy to the people that bushy and the boys are shoving down our throats..

Obama would end up like JFK if he won the election i'm afraid, but at least he would die trying to change american policy over seas and focus on the betterment of the american people.

I'd like to be as idealistic as you appear to be with Obama. Really, I do.

Im jaded by the realities of global politics and the way things are done in the world between companies and corporations.

The world is not a nice place, things are negotiated at a higher level than most people understand our would tolerate. Sometimes our policies are good and help people, and somtimes we must do ugly things. Somtimes we make mistakes and plain Phuch it up.

Posted by playa2:

What I believe Nalod is I know what I'm gonna get with bush ,clinton McCain THEY ARE ALL CUT FROM THE SAME MOLD.

The Iran Contra connections that pull in all of the Bush 1 era characters and the Clintons should scare the living crap out of people. One group of people maintaining power in the highest levels of government for 30 plus years (Bush was CIA director before he was VP), that is not good for anyone.

The fact that stuff like this case does not hit the media, and Reverend Wright is run 24/7 should scare the living crap out of people. The Mena Airport issue, no coverage. She says she's been fully vetted. Really?

George Stephanopoulis is now running town hall meetings for Hillary after he had just been defending his nationally televised shakedown of Barak as impartial.

Obama could be Carter, Kerry, Gore combined into one wimpy elite super Dem, but we need the change no matter what. The road that we're going down right now is total BS. The American people are being taken for a ride and it needs to come to an end.

Obamas commercial last nite:

Give "working families" $1000. (its a tax credit, don't get excited).

and he's going to go after oil companies record profits for price gauging.

I have a problem with that one. Exxon announced less than expected profits and oil companies are private concerns. If americans can't reduce consumption then prices will increase and the market will adjust likewise. Trucks are sitting on lots, small cars are selling.

Him going after companies is pandering to the lower ecnomoic sector that he's gonna "go after the man".

THat might be poplular retoric, but not very effective. Unless there is some bonafide collusion there is not criminal activity. The price of Crude is set on the commodity markets. More buyers, the higher it goes.

For a society that builds outdoor kitchens and uses space heaters, promotes urban sprawl, buys trucks to conquer mother nature on the way to the shopping mall in florida, puts oversized wheels on bloated SUVs as a form of status symbal, and the macho inclusion of "gotta a hemi in it" makes for me all the reason to jump up the price of oil as we piss it away on frugality.

Back to Obama,

Johnwallacefan44 I would love to hear what the MCcain and Hillary backers have to say about that!

What do I have to say? Its an opinion not fact. Playa your looking for a smoking gun paragraph and take it to fact when much of what we discuss is really subjective. WE don't know what is best for the country, and Obama is like "Mark Jax" in that he is likeable and has good things to say, but has not performed at this level. Neither has Hillary or McCain but they foster a cred of being there. Don't get me wrong, might not be the best choices but this is who we got.

Obama is not going to change the world because the world does not allow for a bright articulate "Idealist" to make it right. Im sorry to be down on world politics but we have not evolved yet from the ugly world of wars, genecide, and ecnomoics to foster a golden age of equality for all and economic benefits for society to enjoy.

Utopian idealisims are great, and the best we can hope for is that we continue to evolve and not lose sight of some ideals and keep improving on it.

I don't believe the country is as bad as some make it to be. Our country does many wonderful things. This country is not about "Bush" or conspiricy, its about its people. After 9-11 the talk was tragic but also the human spirit was lifted and the country was amazed how great NYC was! Katrina was a government clusterPhuch but it set in motion people that went and helped and perhaps now gov't will be better next time it happens.
The amount of donations, even our weeping Marbury moved the disaster forward.

It also bought to light the problem of object poverty and what happens to a region when disaster hits that kind of poverty, and in our own beloved US of A! That opened alot of eyes.

Maybe the best solution is for Hillary to be pres and Obama vice pres as he can serve his country and perhaps test some of those wonderful things into play.

Its a tough call, I like the guy, and like the ideal, but I just don't buy into the dream quite yet.

Posted by playa2:

Nalod what makes you think MCcain or Clinton will do right by the american people ?

Isn't this what it's all about, their policies are all about shipping jobs overseas and having bad relations with the middle east.

I applaud Former President Jimmy Carter for bridging the gap between this current administration inability to hold talks with Paletinians leadership.

Hillary is as phony as the WWWF

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7007109937779036019

[Edited by - playa2 on 05-05-2008 13:49]

Nobody "ships" jobs overseas. There is a shifting of costing out to where it becomes ecnomically unfeasonable to manufacture some goods. This has been going on for years and years. protectionist trades policies and tariffs historically don't work and usually have led to war. Can't play the job card. here playa. YOu don't protect basic factory jobs where a 14 year old grade school dropout can sew a shirt for 50 cents a piece vs. a Single american mom who gets $10 and hour. It ain't right, but as a consumer you, like eveyone else enjoys low prices.

Im not even going to touch the palistinian quote. Jimmy Carter was out of line and your not informed.

So 30 years later the palastinians can't self govern, can't run their financial house due to coruption, are whores to the Saddam and Iran to do thei dirty wark (25k to blow yourself up) and live in a dream world that that hate is more effective then self improvement.

THey also have no cred to keep their word. They have been given everything they have wanted but they really are an envious group who infights to their own detriment.

The alternative press that you so crave is great with providing anti Israli propoganda and they are famous for propogating crazy stuff. Imagine a group that would tell young children the Israilis will invate and take your eyeballs!!!!! Yeah, and if your reading that crap then your not getting your facts.

Bottom line there is no clear solution and it has taken generations to get this far, and still more before there can be some kind of unified stability in the region. Not in our life time.

Not even close.

You are right, your not gonna get elected on a truthful platform.

ANd Jesse Jax was bought in to the IRAN hostage situation to humiliate our government. Jesse turned into a real great man didn't he? I can't believe your pulling the "Jesse Card" on this discussion!

One more time, its not just black or white here, Obama is really a good guy, but "wheres the Beef?"