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Uptown
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4/28/2008  10:54 PM
These are the teams to model your franchise's after. You can even throw the Blazaers into the mix aswell.

These teams are long, atheletic, quick, have interchangeable parts, built mostly through the draft, young, energetic and have backcourt players that can close the show when things break down.

The interchangeable parts, and long athletes are the most intriguing. Josh Smith/Thadeous Young/ Rodney Carney/Travis Outlaw/Josh Childress/ etc....these player bring it on both sides of the ball. Defensively they can guard multiple positions, can block shots and they can definitely finish on the offensive end. Imagine if Atlanta had drafted either Paul or Williams? There is no doubt they would be one of the top 3-4 teams in the east.

Looking at the Knicks, the only players we have on our roster that fits these new age players would be Chandler, and Lee.

[Edited by - Uptown on 04-28-2008 11:05 PM]
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4/28/2008  10:57 PM
You can't sample size this yr but yes we could have ditched our plan Sixer style or tore down completely and rebuilt Hawks style.

The true assessment comes next yr from the results of these teams.
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4/28/2008  11:04 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:

You can't sample size this yr but yes we could have ditched our plan Sixer style or tore down completely and rebuilt Hawks style.

The true assessment comes next yr from the results of these teams.


Scanning the east, The Pistons have shown their age. They have the experience to gut out victories against the younger teams in the league during the regular season as the young teams are most likely to have plenty of ups and downs as they try and find themseleves. The Sixers were good most of the year. The fact that the last two teams in are given the clear favorites in the east all they can handle says something about these two teams.

BTW, this is more than a sample-size. I'm just lookinh at the make-up of thier rosters. The interchangeable parts these teams have kind of refutes some of these arguments we have about trying to pigeon-hole certain players into certain positions. If they can ball, they can ball, regardless.
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4/28/2008  11:05 PM
The Hawks and Sixers are performing well in the playoffs but we also wouldn't have mentioned the Hawks at all if they lost these last 2 games like they did the first 2.
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4/28/2008  11:42 PM
imagine how good the hawks would be if they drafted chris paul instead of marvin williams.

i don't think the hawks or sixers are particularly well-built teams. i think they've both drafted some quality 6'8" guys who are hard to defend, a la golden state. the knicks could certainly use some players like that, but i think teams like the hawks and the sixers will always be in the hole because they don't have a young potential superstar like dwight, lebron, paul, durant, oden to build around. i think portland is the team we should really look at - it wasn't so long ago they were still called the jailblazers and they were capped out. they had a couple of great drafts and now have a tremendous young nucleus with roy, lamarcus and oden.



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4/28/2008  11:55 PM
portland + hawks have been in high lottery slots for at least 5 years in a row.

you would hope they would'nt mess that up...
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4/29/2008  12:19 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

portland + hawks have been in high lottery slots for at least 5 years in a row.

you would hope they would'nt mess that up...

The Hawks especially. When was the last time they were any good?? Now they're a model franchise?

The '05 draft will haunt them as long as Paul's playing at such a high level. Might be the G.M misstep of this NBA era. Few teams ever recover from such a blunder.

I give them credit for putting their jerseys on a few solid youngsters and a scare in the Celts, but lets calm down.
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4/29/2008  1:25 AM
Sixers & Hawks....blueprint to model your team after....

The guy who BUILT the Sixers is available(Billy King), and the guy who BUILT the Hawks may be available after the season (Billy Knight).
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4/29/2008  1:41 AM
Posted by joec32033:
Sixers & Hawks....blueprint to model your team after....

The guy who BUILT the Sixers is available(Billy King), and the guy who BUILT the Hawks may be available after the season (Billy Knight).

Stop shortchanging Larry Brown.
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4/29/2008  4:16 AM
Posted by Uptown:

These are the teams to model your franchise's after. You can even throw the Blazaers into the mix aswell.

These teams are long, atheletic, quick, have interchangeable parts, built mostly through the draft, young, energetic and have backcourt players that can close the show when things break down.

The interchangeable parts, and long athletes are the most intriguing. Josh Smith/Thadeous Young/ Rodney Carney/Travis Outlaw/Josh Childress/ etc....these player bring it on both sides of the ball. Defensively they can guard multiple positions, can block shots and they can definitely finish on the offensive end. Imagine if Atlanta had drafted either Paul or Williams? There is no doubt they would be one of the top 3-4 teams in the east.

Looking at the Knicks, the only players we have on our roster that fits these new age players would be Chandler, and Lee.

[Edited by - Uptown on 04-28-2008 11:05 PM]

why wouldn't Balkman fit into that definition? he's probably the 2nd best finisher on this team & runs the break better than anyone... gotta develop a J no doubt but he plays much better defense than Lee & is probably our best shotblocker.
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4/29/2008  6:58 AM
Sixers play as a team at home and on the road, this is what the NBA is lacking coaches and players sacrificing for the betterment of the team.
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4/29/2008  7:17 AM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by djsunyc:

portland + hawks have been in high lottery slots for at least 5 years in a row.

you would hope they would'nt mess that up...

The Hawks especially. When was the last time they were any good?? Now they're a model franchise?

The '05 draft will haunt them as long as Paul's playing at such a high level. Might be the G.M misstep of this NBA era. Few teams ever recover from such a blunder.

I give them credit for putting their jerseys on a few solid youngsters and a scare in the Celts, but lets calm down.

Calm down? My only point is the actual make-up of the team. Long athletes who can play and defend multiple positions, can get out a run and get transition baskets which is crucial in the playoffs when each posession is more valued.

If Portland were in the east, they would playoff bound without last years #1 pick. The 14 game winning streak proves how fast they have developed. It took the Sixers 2 years to recover from the the Iverson trade.

The hawks have been an up and coming athletic team for a couple of years now. Thier youth and lack of a leader has slowed thier climb. Had they drafted Paul or Williams, they would be a top 4 team in the east and would have pusjed for a playoff birth a year or 2 earlier in the weak east.

[Edited by - Uptown on 04-29-2008 07:20 AM]

[Edited by - uptown on 04-29-2008 08:53 AM]
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Posted by TMS:
Posted by Uptown:

These are the teams to model your franchise's after. You can even throw the Blazaers into the mix aswell.

These teams are long, atheletic, quick, have interchangeable parts, built mostly through the draft, young, energetic and have backcourt players that can close the show when things break down.

The interchangeable parts, and long athletes are the most intriguing. Josh Smith/Thadeous Young/ Rodney Carney/Travis Outlaw/Josh Childress/ etc....these player bring it on both sides of the ball. Defensively they can guard multiple positions, can block shots and they can definitely finish on the offensive end. Imagine if Atlanta had drafted either Paul or Williams? There is no doubt they would be one of the top 3-4 teams in the east.

Looking at the Knicks, the only players we have on our roster that fits these new age players would be Chandler, and Lee.

[Edited by - Uptown on 04-28-2008 11:05 PM]

why wouldn't Balkman fit into that definition? he's probably the 2nd best finisher on this team & runs the break better than anyone... gotta develop a J no doubt but he plays much better defense than Lee & is probably our best shotblocker.


Your not wrong about Balk. Thought about him as I was typing. Thought he took a major step back offensively this year which is sayiing alot since he didn't have much of an offensive game to begin with. Isiah seemed to really rattle this kids confidence with inconcistant play. The lingering injury may have hurt a little aswell. Hopefully he bounces back.
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4/29/2008  7:33 AM
its not just the wing players that make Atlanta

they did a good job of losing the end of last season and thus kept the pick that became Horford

Al's development is and forever will be the key.
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4/29/2008  8:21 AM
watching the hawks vs. c's- its very noticeable how their youth & versatile size impacts the game - they're able to switch out on the perimeter and anyone can be effective guarding either KG in the paint or their wing players.

They grab their fair share of their rebounds.

And Joe Johnson came up huge last night - he drove the lane several times down the end and basically looked to be a man among boys in being able to put the ball into the hoop.

They remind me a bit of our 99 finals team where we had speed with sprewell and camby.
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4/29/2008  8:56 AM
Posted by McK1:

its not just the wing players that make Atlanta

they did a good job of losing the end of last season and thus kept the pick that became Horford

Al's development is and forever will be the key.

That REALLY does seem to be the big piece to the puzzle doesn't it? For until then the Hawks were still a joke and nobody could understand what Billy Knight was doing or why he still had a job.

It's kind of the same for the Sixers. Billy King was blasted for stinking everything up recently - until - Iggy came together and Andre Miller (the puzzle piece for Philly) came to town to pull it together for them. Again, until then, the Sixers were a joke and no one knew what King was doing and why he still had a job.

So a lot of the time it's just dumb luck in the end. I wouldn't credit either GM with doing a fantastic job but rather after a long long time the right piece FINALLY came along and the team came together. Therefore I would not nominate either guy to take over a cap strapped mess like New York and muse that in a few quick seasons we too might look like a nice young team that's actually competing while being a young team.

I don't think you can wisely come to such a conclusion.
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4/29/2008  9:56 AM
You need to model team from Spurs, Pistons, LA, Mavs...
They have the PLAN for years and years to come; accounting for bad years and good years, for good luck and bad luck...
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4/29/2008  10:02 AM

Larry did work for the 76ers for 18 mos. Interesting. I think philly made a nice transformation and when the Nets guy became available, they went that way. Somtimes its just about evolution.

Hard to imagine when we look at philly and ATL as models of the future.

Cleveland is doing what the knicks did with Ewing by trying to build around Lebron NOW rather than continue thru the draft. THey are trying to keep him in town and happy but starphuching around him won't work until they can get him a true quality player in place.

Ewing always threatend to leave if we did not get him help. Kobe tried and the Cavs are scared of Lebron.
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4/29/2008  11:13 AM
the scary thing about the sixers is that i believe that they will be under the cap this summer. so they are a playoff team that is under the cap. sure they have to sign iggy to a good deal but they can also look towards free agency to get better. imagine a healthy elton brand or gilbert arenas on a sixer team like this? scary, especially since i HATE philly and all of their teams. I even hope the flyers and soul go down and i don't like hockey or arena football!
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4/29/2008  11:29 AM
A blueprint?

They drafted Sheldon Williams with the #5 pick (Gay, Foye, Roye) the guy was a borderline first rounder, they have a chance to buy a pick and get lowry, farmer and rondo but didn't

They drafted Marvin Williams over Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Danny Granger, Andrew Bynum

They drafted AC Law who is terrible.

Joe Johnson is awesome but they allowed the suns to take multiple picks and diaw when they didn't have too

Frankly if you can't get a few nice players when you have been in the lottery since 99 you should have to give up your franchise. They have a great core of Smith, Johnson, and Horford a nice role player in childress, but lets not give them that much credit. What happens if they lose the next two games, they have an aging Bibby taking up cap room and are going to have to pay Smith the max.

A lot of people on this board had a heart attack when a bunch of us wanted to move Frye for him a couple of years ago. This team needs a really good pg that can actually get people the ball, they have been very exciting the past two games but lets not get crazy about them or the sixers. They are talented for sure and young, but if they don't sign Elton Brand why are you excited about the team?

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