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4/26/2008  9:18 AM
I would really like to see the Jets drop down to the high teens low 20s and take Joe Flacco. Our QB position is just so tenuous that that can't continue to ignore it. I'm not big on Clemens and Pennignton is 75% of what he was before his injuries and teams can cheat on him which effect the run game. We haven't had a big strong QB with his type of arm in a LONNGGG time. We put to much investment into both lines to go either way this high--way to much money locked into one area and I never believe in taking a running back this high. The one player I would make exception for is Dorsey but I highly doubt he falls to 6. I don't like Ryan and I think taking a RB this high turns out to be a failure too often. If we can get down to 20 and take Flacco--and pick up a 2 this year and next year---we can go WR[Coles is holding out] and what I would like to see is a player like Chris Ellis from WV--the type of end that we haven't had in a long time as well--who can also drop back to the OLB with his speed. That's is what we were and have been lacking speed to the QB. I see much more value for the team by trading down.

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4/26/2008  10:18 AM
I think the jets made a big mistake spending the kind of money they did in free agency. its all in and they just have too many question marks, and QB sure is the biggest.

Pennington is finished - to say teams cheat on him is being kind - you don't have to defend beyond 15 yards, and as long as they allow 11 players to be on defense, it clogs things up a lot.
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Posted by franco12:

I think the jets made a big mistake spending the kind of money they did in free agency. its all in and they just have too many question marks, and QB sure is the biggest.

Pennington is finished - to say teams cheat on him is being kind - you don't have to defend beyond 15 yards, and as long as they allow 11 players to be on defense, it clogs things up a lot.

I'm a big college football fan. I like it better than pro football and I am a HUGE Jet fan. Our two MAIN problems are--speed to the QB---it's tough enough in the 3-4 to get there with what we have at at ends sans Shaun Ellis[although he hasn't been as good] and I was very impressed with Chris Ellis when I have watched him over the last couple of years--he's exactly what we need coming off the end--a tall player in the mold of a Jason Taylor with speed great technique and a big motor. We have to hedge at the QB position--Clemens is too small and mistake prone imho. Pennington is a hit away from the end + he's only 75% of what he was. Teams cheat into the box which puts way to much pressure on the run game. Our WR are not fast--it's a poor combination. A tall strong armed tough accurate QB with our new line--even as a rookie I think he can prosper. He's NFL ready from the tapes Ive seen.
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4/26/2008  11:37 AM
They should take QB.
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4/26/2008  12:06 PM
Posted by franco12:

I think the jets made a big mistake spending the kind of money they did in free agency. its all in and they just have too many question marks, and QB sure is the biggest.

Pennington is finished - to say teams cheat on him is being kind - you don't have to defend beyond 15 yards, and as long as they allow 11 players to be on defense, it clogs things up a lot.

Filling needs through free agency to give them the flexibility in the draft wasn't a mistake. Winning that completely meaningless last game of the year against the Chiefs was a big mistake. They could have had the #2 or definitely the #3 pick today. Typical Jets.

I think it looks like Gholston today which kinda worries me. He says he doesn't like practice and he disappears in games. That's not a good combination. If McFadden and Ryan are gone, I really hope they trade down but I don't think anybody would want to trade up to 6. I'd take Leodis McKelvin over Gholston at this point, or even Jonathan Stewart.
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Posted by islesfan:
Posted by franco12:

I think the jets made a big mistake spending the kind of money they did in free agency. its all in and they just have too many question marks, and QB sure is the biggest.

Pennington is finished - to say teams cheat on him is being kind - you don't have to defend beyond 15 yards, and as long as they allow 11 players to be on defense, it clogs things up a lot.

Filling needs through free agency to give them the flexibility in the draft wasn't a mistake. Winning that completely meaningless last game of the year against the Chiefs was a big mistake. They could have had the #2 or definitely the #3 pick today. Typical Jets.

I think it looks like Gholston today which kinda worries me. He says he doesn't like practice and he disappears in games. That's not a good combination. If McFadden and Ryan are gone, I really hope they trade down but I don't think anybody would want to trade up to 6. I'd take Leodis McKelvin over Gholston at this point, or even Jonathan Stewart.

The Jets like to screw with their fan base as much as the Knicks do. The Jets have no intersest in winning a championship they just know that they are sold out for the next 20 years. Every time they let players go in free agency and try to replace them with lesser talent.

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4/26/2008  12:20 PM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by franco12:

I think the jets made a big mistake spending the kind of money they did in free agency. its all in and they just have too many question marks, and QB sure is the biggest.

Pennington is finished - to say teams cheat on him is being kind - you don't have to defend beyond 15 yards, and as long as they allow 11 players to be on defense, it clogs things up a lot.

Filling needs through free agency to give them the flexibility in the draft wasn't a mistake. Winning that completely meaningless last game of the year against the Chiefs was a big mistake. They could have had the #2 or definitely the #3 pick today. Typical Jets.

I think it looks like Gholston today which kinda worries me. He says he doesn't like practice and he disappears in games. That's not a good combination. If McFadden and Ryan are gone, I really hope they trade down but I don't think anybody would want to trade up to 6. I'd take Leodis McKelvin over Gholston at this point, or even Jonathan Stewart.

The Jets like to screw with their fan base as much as the Knicks do. The Jets have no intersest in winning a championship they just know that they are sold out for the next 20 years. Every time they let players go in free agency and try to replace them with lesser talent.

Thats the least true thing I've ever read.
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4/26/2008  12:25 PM
The Jets have to take Darren McFadden if he's there.
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4/26/2008  12:28 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by franco12:

I think the jets made a big mistake spending the kind of money they did in free agency. its all in and they just have too many question marks, and QB sure is the biggest.Pennington is finished - to say teams cheat on him is being kind - you don't have to defend beyond 15 yards, and as long as they allow 11 players to be on defense, it clogs things up a lot.

Filling needs through free agency to give them the flexibility in the draft wasn't a mistake. Winning that completely meaningless last game of the year against the Chiefs was a big mistake. They could have had the #2 or definitely the #3 pick today. Typical Jets.

I think it looks like Gholston today which kinda worries me. He says he doesn't like practice and he disappears in games. That's not a good combination. If McFadden and Ryan are gone, I really hope they trade down but I don't think anybody would want to trade up to 6. I'd take Leodis McKelvin over Gholston at this point, or even Jonathan Stewart.

I agree with that bolded part, the jets got some good FA's. otherwise they would have had to use their picks to fill those positions. Now the raiders, if they don't draft stupid as they usually do bypass Mcfadden, that will be a suprise and a gift for the jets, we need a game breaker on this team.
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4/26/2008  12:34 PM
Posted by CrashDMB237:
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by franco12:

I think the jets made a big mistake spending the kind of money they did in free agency. its all in and they just have too many question marks, and QB sure is the biggest.

Pennington is finished - to say teams cheat on him is being kind - you don't have to defend beyond 15 yards, and as long as they allow 11 players to be on defense, it clogs things up a lot.

Filling needs through free agency to give them the flexibility in the draft wasn't a mistake. Winning that completely meaningless last game of the year against the Chiefs was a big mistake. They could have had the #2 or definitely the #3 pick today. Typical Jets.

I think it looks like Gholston today which kinda worries me. He says he doesn't like practice and he disappears in games. That's not a good combination. If McFadden and Ryan are gone, I really hope they trade down but I don't think anybody would want to trade up to 6. I'd take Leodis McKelvin over Gholston at this point, or even Jonathan Stewart.

The Jets like to screw with their fan base as much as the Knicks do. The Jets have no intersest in winning a championship they just know that they are sold out for the next 20 years. Every time they let players go in free agency and try to replace them with lesser talent.

Thats the least true thing I've ever read.

Thats the truth. How can you explain such decisions as letting players like Vilma, Abrhams and Coles (to Washington only to get him back) go when they seem to be going in the right direction. This is a flaw in the organiztions thinking that gives the fans an unnecessary feeling of highs and lows. Don't get me wrong I want the Jets to do well I want all NY teams to do well, but there is a seed in the organization of the Jets that doesn't allow for them to go forward and when they do go forward they mange to make decisions to take a step back. If there ever was a a organiztion that was afraid of Success the Jets are a prime example of it.
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Posted by tkf:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by franco12:

I think the jets made a big mistake spending the kind of money they did in free agency. its all in and they just have too many question marks, and QB sure is the biggest.Pennington is finished - to say teams cheat on him is being kind - you don't have to defend beyond 15 yards, and as long as they allow 11 players to be on defense, it clogs things up a lot.

Filling needs through free agency to give them the flexibility in the draft wasn't a mistake. Winning that completely meaningless last game of the year against the Chiefs was a big mistake. They could have had the #2 or definitely the #3 pick today. Typical Jets.

I think it looks like Gholston today which kinda worries me. He says he doesn't like practice and he disappears in games. That's not a good combination. If McFadden and Ryan are gone, I really hope they trade down but I don't think anybody would want to trade up to 6. I'd take Leodis McKelvin over Gholston at this point, or even Jonathan Stewart.

I agree with that bolded part, the jets got some good FA's. otherwise they would have had to use their picks to fill those positions. Now the raiders, if they don't draft stupid as they usually do bypass Mcfadden, that will be a suprise and a gift for the jets, we need a game breaker on this team.

Football is a much more strategic game with so many moving parts. I think our needs outweigh any one player accept Dorsey and the way we play--3-4 he's not really a player that fits the scheme. That being said---teams cheat up on us because of our passing game--we need a strong-armed big QB that can get the ball down the field with accuracy. We need speed to the QB--we could not get there last year--we need speed at receiver and OLB--we have to many needs that can be satisfied in the top 60 picks--I think 3 picks is better than 2 this year.
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4/26/2008  12:38 PM
John ABRAHAM wanted out, the Jets didn't just let him go. It was a contract dispute and Abraham was unhappy here. The Coles move was under a different management regime so you can't really count that. And letting Vilma go was more or less a no brainer. He did not fit into the 3-4 scheme at all. He was injured most of last year and David Harris stepped up big time and showed he can play Vilma's position better than Vilma. And you said the Jets replace them with lesser talent? Calvin Pace fits the 3-4 better than Vilma too. Let's not forget about how they shored up the D and O lines as well through the draft AND free agency.

All I'm saying is you CAN'T say that the Mangini and Tannenbaum combo doesn't care about winning.
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4/26/2008  12:44 PM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by CrashDMB237:
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by franco12:

I think the jets made a big mistake spending the kind of money they did in free agency. its all in and they just have too many question marks, and QB sure is the biggest.

Pennington is finished - to say teams cheat on him is being kind - you don't have to defend beyond 15 yards, and as long as they allow 11 players to be on defense, it clogs things up a lot.

Filling needs through free agency to give them the flexibility in the draft wasn't a mistake. Winning that completely meaningless last game of the year against the Chiefs was a big mistake. They could have had the #2 or definitely the #3 pick today. Typical Jets.

I think it looks like Gholston today which kinda worries me. He says he doesn't like practice and he disappears in games. That's not a good combination. If McFadden and Ryan are gone, I really hope they trade down but I don't think anybody would want to trade up to 6. I'd take Leodis McKelvin over Gholston at this point, or even Jonathan Stewart.

The Jets like to screw with their fan base as much as the Knicks do. The Jets have no intersest in winning a championship they just know that they are sold out for the next 20 years. Every time they let players go in free agency and try to replace them with lesser talent.

Thats the least true thing I've ever read.

Thats the truth. How can you explain such decisions as letting players like Vilma, Abrhams and Coles (to Washington only to get him back) go when they seem to be going in the right direction. This is a flaw in the organiztions thinking that gives the fans an unnecessary feeling of highs and lows. Don't get me wrong I want the Jets to do well I want all NY teams to do well, but there is a seed in the organization of the Jets that doesn't allow for them to go forward and when they do go forward they mange to make decisions to take a step back. If there ever was a a organiztion that was afraid of Success the Jets are a prime example of it.

I'm only going to talk about this offseason. I'm not going to blame the current management for what happened in the past. Vilma has been injury prone and is a terrible fit for the 3-4 that the Jets want to use. They already have a stud in Harris to replace Vilma. No big loss. Robertson is a bad fit for the 3-4 as well and Jenkins is a much better option. Pace is a better option than Hobson and there's no need to get into how much better Faneca is than any of the dead weight they tried at LG last year.

The Jets did a great job in filling all those huge needs. Now they have the flexibility to draft the Best Player Available.
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4/26/2008  12:47 PM
Damn... great minds think alike.
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4/26/2008  1:53 PM
Posted by CrashDMB237:

John ABRAHAM wanted out, the Jets didn't just let him go. It was a contract dispute and Abraham was unhappy here. The Coles move was under a different management regime so you can't really count that. And letting Vilma go was more or less a no brainer. He did not fit into the 3-4 scheme at all. He was injured most of last year and David Harris stepped up big time and showed he can play Vilma's position better than Vilma. And you said the Jets replace them with lesser talent? Calvin Pace fits the 3-4 better than Vilma too. Let's not forget about how they shored up the D and O lines as well through the draft AND free agency.

All I'm saying is you CAN'T say that the Mangini and Tannenbaum combo doesn't care about winning.

Thats exactly what I'm saying. There are people that want to win but I'm not sure that the owners are committed to winning 100%. Thats the flaw in the Jets. I think Parcells found that out and Bill Bilichick wanted no part of the Jets why because he knew that there was an interest within the Jets organization that wasn't concerned with winning. This team isn't about championships thats a problem.
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4/26/2008  1:58 PM
Dude the owner during the Parcells era DIED. This is a whole new regime. I have no idea where you're coming from with this stuff.
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4/26/2008  2:15 PM
Posted by CrashDMB237:

Dude the owner during the Parcells era DIED. This is a whole new regime. I have no idea where you're coming from with this stuff.

I know the past owner died. But this current regime is no different, They are not committed to winning a championship. They don't have a plan in place. The Jets should draft a QB with their first pick and take it from their. You shouldn't waste a first round pick on a running back you can find them anywhere in the draft. If the Jets take a QB then just maybe they might have a plan in place. If they come back next year with Clemens and Chad Pennington without a QB of the future then you seriously have to question their desire to win. They need to start grooming a QB right now.
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4/26/2008  2:30 PM
I'm glad you can evaluate Kellen Clemens after one year with no offensive line or receivers. There's no problem whatsoever with bringing Kellen Clemens back as the starter because they aren't going to win anything anytime soon. They are still in development and that usually entails some trial and error. There's no way you can gauge Kellen Clemens after last year, no way at all. And I STILL don't see what you're talking about with the ownership.
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4/26/2008  3:39 PM
good luck guys... i really hope the Jets make a good pick this year... their fans deserve a good team.
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4/26/2008  3:48 PM
solid pick... Gholston is a monster & will put pressure on the other teams' QBs... Giants showed last year what a good pass rush can do for your defense.
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