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EnySpree
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4/25/2008  9:21 AM
Manslauter charges 1st, 2nd degree, assault 1st second degree, reckless endangerment.......

Not Guilty!!!!

51 shots fired on 3 unarmed men......some guys reloaded.

NYPD are out in full force in fear of a backlash from the community......

So this verdict basically says....you are black, you look like you could possibly be a threat......you could and will get murdered and the cops are within their right if they themselves feel threatened.

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4/25/2008  9:31 AM
But Wesley Snipes gets 3 years for tax evasion?
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4/25/2008  9:49 AM
Not even reckless endangerment......the bullets that flew into someones house and into the air train.......they should have at least got caught on that charge. The News is saying the judge never even addressed it.

If me and my friends go out hanging out.....and the cops stop us even if we haven't done anything wrong.....what happens if some dickhead shouts out "oh my god they have a gun!" we would be going down!!!!! And the cops are within their rights!

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4/25/2008  10:11 AM
Clearly little has changed since the Amadou Diallo trial, as "shocking" as this may be to some there are certainly plenty of folks who knew that things have still been the same when it comes to NYPD and young folks of color, especially men.

Last night on NY1during their daily local political talk show they had on two police officers from the Latino Officers Association and two professors at a local community college (Hostos) who when asked about supporting Police Comissioner Kelly at all, after being asked repeatedly if they would railed on him over and over, and the policies of the NYPD towards communities of color.

The bottom line is that this entire trial is an indication of how deep this problem is on a systemic level.

WTF are the NYPD doing sending 6 plain clothed police to a strip club in a predominately black community at 3 am to stop cars?

This is complete BS and I am so sick of seeing this sht keep happening while young folks of color, their loved ones, and their communities have to take the overwhelming brunt of the damage and pain.

The PBA and its army of 100% white men comes out and says there are "no winners and no losers" in this case in their efforts to be "sympathetic."

Yeah, of course you say that because you are privileged and benefit from the verdict and system. How many NYPD die compared to young people of color? Do NYPD have to deal with constant harassment in their communities just because of the way they look? NYPD are not respected because they have more power and constantly abuse it.

The real losers are those communities who are constantly harassed living in essentially in a police state that doesn't even protect them.

Sure, being a police officer is not an easy job when you know you ain't popular and are distrusted. Guess what? That's part of the deal because of the history. If you really care then you have to look at yourself and the systems you benefit from and make a real effort to show folks who don't trust you that you are truly willing to make an effort to change.

It appears we are still waiting for this day to come.
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4/25/2008  10:52 AM
Bravo PresIke.....

I honestly almost feel like crying.

He's got a gun! So 3 guys empty 50 shots.......that's wrong. No gun was found. What evidence needed to be presented? Not even a neglegence charge?

I'm deeply saddened. This incident is not a random thing its happened many times before in this city.....all over the country.

I personally have been thrown to a car by un identified, plain clothes cops.....I've been frisked for no reason. I've had a "sean bell" moment once also where we were stopped under the "suspicion of criminal activity" and the two officers ran up on the car with guns out screaming. It feels like if you move you are dead. Thank God I made it out of that. I witnessed my friend almost gunned down by officers over a mistaken identity. He went to the store to by some snacks only to be followed to the block and ambushed by 4 detective cars coming from all directions with guns out and older people and children all over the place. The whole block was out there. He didn't do anything. They took him in and the whole block had to go to write statements to prove his where abouts and his identity. Another time I was sitting on my friends stoop waiting to go play ball and some cops walked by and told us we had to move. We were inside his gate. The officers got into position and began shouting and pointing. Again the block had to intervene.

As young adults its hard to go out and enjoy yourself with your own people without being harrassed. Or feeling like "ah man the cops just circled the block on us man lets get the **** outta here"....meanwhile you aren't doing anything wrong. I know people that refuse to go anywhere where black people will be. They rather go out and hang with the "white" crowd just to avoid being harrassed or having to feel threatened by a police presence.

My pops and his wife live in a polish neighborhood in ridgewood with the efforts to live away from black people.

I'm kinda venting right now......but I don't know what to do. I'm hurt. Sean Bell was not an angel and neither was his friends.....but I look like him and my friends look like him. If we go out to celebrate a b-day, or something.....if a cop stops us......we might now make it over an assumption.
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4/25/2008  11:06 AM
sad day for black youth in NYC.
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4/25/2008  11:17 AM
Posted by playa2:

sad day for black youth in NYC.

Black people worldwide my brother.
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4/25/2008  11:39 AM
Posted by EnySpree:

Black people worldwide my brother.

Agreed. Though you gotta point a finger at the Bell's sides lawyers too, they did a really bad job in this thing.

Hopefully, the inevitable backlash doesn't get ugly.


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4/25/2008  11:44 AM
This is pretty sickening.

Scares me to death.

I just hope that people will like me
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4/25/2008  11:54 AM
Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? I guess the onus is on black people to prove that they are innocent i guess
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4/25/2008  12:00 PM
If this were France the city would be burning right now.
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4/25/2008  12:00 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by playa2:

sad day for black youth in NYC.

Black people worldwide my brother.

Especially since the cops that shot were all black!
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4/25/2008  12:00 PM
Well, these three cops' careers are going to be wiped clean after the civil investigation and trial and penalties come crashing down on them. It's all over for them.

Still worried about the backlash.

[Edited by - K22 on 2008-04-25 12:06 PM]
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4/25/2008  12:09 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Manslauter charges 1st, 2nd degree, assault 1st second degree, reckless endangerment.......

Not Guilty!!!!

51 shots fired on 3 unarmed men......some guys reloaded.

NYPD are out in full force in fear of a backlash from the community......

So this verdict basically says....you are black, you look like you could possibly be a threat......you could and will get murdered and the cops are within their right if they themselves feel threatened.

"People ask me what I say to a dead cops wife, cops kill my people everyday that's life"......Talib Kweli

i don't see how you can make this a race issue when 2/3 defendents were black. that serves no purpose other than to confuse the issue.
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4/25/2008  12:11 PM
Posted by K22:
Posted by EnySpree:

Black people worldwide my brother.

Agreed. Though you gotta point a finger at the Bell's sides lawyers too, they did a really bad job in this thing.

Hopefully, the inevitable backlash doesn't get ugly.

The prosecutions case was weak, and a jury was not involved. A jury can rule based on emotion, personal bias and tie that in with the facts.

The brilliant PBA lawyers were savy enough to leave their fate in the hands of a judge who will not be swayed one way or another and call it based on the facts.


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4/25/2008  12:14 PM
Part of the problem is that too many of us white folks don't seem to see how this hurts us as a group as well.

Of course, our privilege allows us to seem to benefit from the verdict, even if we feel it is tragic because while it may lead to sorrow, one wonders why not disgust? Are we identifying with the police on a socio-racial level by defending them? However, in the long run if we want to undo racism then I see it as important for whites who may not be as upset to make an effort to look at the consequences of this for us all.

Also, as for the lawyers, the Queens District Attorney's office was responsible for the case (from what I understand) and even before the verdict was announced today there were rumblings in the news and from critics about their viability as a non-partisan prosecutor given that they have a symbiotic relationship with the NYPD. Again the question of needing a special independent prosecutor has come into the arena of debate. I think that Governor Patterson needs to assign one, yet I can see him being quite hesitant to do so for many obvious reasons.
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4/25/2008  12:15 PM
Posted by freeskier:
Posted by EnySpree:

Manslauter charges 1st, 2nd degree, assault 1st second degree, reckless endangerment.......

Not Guilty!!!!

51 shots fired on 3 unarmed men......some guys reloaded.

NYPD are out in full force in fear of a backlash from the community......

So this verdict basically says....you are black, you look like you could possibly be a threat......you could and will get murdered and the cops are within their right if they themselves feel threatened.

"People ask me what I say to a dead cops wife, cops kill my people everyday that's life"......Talib Kweli

i don't see how you can make this a race issue when 2/3 defendents were black. that serves no purpose other than to confuse the issue.


Obviously you don't value young black men either.

Black men are shaken by this, from our eyes authority figures if they are black, white, or brown have the ok to shoot 1st and when the smoke clears ask questions.

From what I hear this case was based on credibiity and the witnesses and the victim and the location of the assault took place at a strip club with felons.

Other than Shawn Bell, every witness including the stripper had criminal records. The shooting of Shawn Bell was a case of gross incompetence and should have resulted into some type of charge to the police officers.


[Edited by - playa2 on 25-04-2008 12:19]
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4/25/2008  12:16 PM
Posted by Starks1994:
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by playa2:

sad day for black youth in NYC.

Black people worldwide my brother.

Especially since the cops that shot were all black!

They weren't black they were blue!

One of the guys were black, one was hispanic and one was white. The white one is the one that reloaded and fired like 30 plus times.

Would this have happened to 3 white knuckle headed guys in a strip club in bay ridge?

Its not white on black hate crime.....this was police brutality on black minorities.
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4/25/2008  12:22 PM
Posted by PresIke:

Part of the problem is that too many of us white folks don't seem to see how this hurts us as a group as well.

Of course, our privilege allows us to seem to benefit from the verdict, even if we feel it is tragic because while it may lead to sorrow, one wonders why not disgust? Are we identifying with the police on a socio-racial level by defending them? However, in the long run if we want to undo racism then I see it as important for whites who may not be as upset to make an effort to look at the consequences of this for us all.

Also, as for the lawyers, the Queens District Attorney's office was responsible for the case (from what I understand) and even before the verdict was announced today there were rumblings in the news and from critics about their viability as a non-partisan prosecutor given that they have a symbiotic relationship with the NYPD. Again the question of needing a special independent prosecutor has come into the arena of debate. I think that Governor Patterson needs to assign one, yet I can see him being quite hesitant to do so for many obvious reasons.

Preach!!!
This is how you knew the fix was in. How could a DA who works closely with the polic every single day of his career, being trusted to prosecute police officers and then go back to his normal day to day job?

How could a judge, who works closely with the police every single day of his career, being trusted to be fair and impartial, when his whole job is to value police testimony as more credible than other witnesses, particularly those with criminal backgrounds.

This is on the prosecution though, from what I've read the case was constructed and argued very poorly.
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4/25/2008  12:23 PM
You know it annoys me how people can spin it back on me saying I'm making it a racial thing......

I already explained how it effects me and people like me.

How does it effect you guys, freeskier, starks? Race aside since that is your only issue. Race aside how does this effect you?

I NEED AN ANSWER!
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