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djsunyc
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4/24/2008  1:51 PM
A few thoughts from Stan Van Gundy, who spent part of his time after shoot-around crediting Pat Ewing for the development of Dwight Howard and pumping him as a candidate for the Knicks job: “To be honest it's sort of amused me, the whole thing in New York. All these names come up for the head coaching job there and they're not talking about him? This is guy who's paid his dues and been an assistant in the league and gone out on the court and learned to coach every day. He doesn't just do big man stuff. That's what every one talks about, but he does what everyone on our staff does: When it's his turn, once out of every four teams he does the scouting report and takes the team through the film, he does all of that. I've been bewildered by the fact that here's one of the absolute greats in New York Knicks history and they're not talking about him at all. I know Mark Jackson has some history with Donnie Walsh, plus having played with the Knicks, and I have great respect for Mark, but Mark has never coached a day, anywhere, and Pat has put his time in Washington and Houston and here. And he has put time in away from the Van Gundy family, so he had to learn something in that year, anyway. So you have to give him some credit. I don't know why his name wouldn't come up and be a guy you wouldn't sit down and talk to. He's good, he's really, really good."

* played for john thompson
* played for pat riley
* assistant under doug collins
* assistant under jvg
* assistant under svg
* lauded for his work with yao and dwight
* dealt with harsh ny media throughout his career

[Edited by - djsunyc on 04-24-2008 1:52 PM]
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4/24/2008  1:53 PM
Coaching is a lot different than teaching a big man a series of moves. Players don't always respond well to guys that aren't great comminicators and Ewing comes up short in that area. I hope that Jackson hire him though.

You never want to bring in one of your all time greats to coach the organization, there are too many things that could go wrong.
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4/24/2008  2:01 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
A few thoughts from Stan Van Gundy, who spent part of his time after shoot-around crediting Pat Ewing for the development of Dwight Howard and pumping him as a candidate for the Knicks job: “To be honest it's sort of amused me, the whole thing in New York. All these names come up for the head coaching job there and they're not talking about him? This is guy who's paid his dues and been an assistant in the league and gone out on the court and learned to coach every day. He doesn't just do big man stuff. That's what every one talks about, but he does what everyone on our staff does: When it's his turn, once out of every four teams he does the scouting report and takes the team through the film, he does all of that. I've been bewildered by the fact that here's one of the absolute greats in New York Knicks history and they're not talking about him at all. I know Mark Jackson has some history with Donnie Walsh, plus having played with the Knicks, and I have great respect for Mark, but Mark has never coached a day, anywhere, and Pat has put his time in Washington and Houston and here. And he has put time in away from the Van Gundy family, so he had to learn something in that year, anyway. So you have to give him some credit. I don't know why his name wouldn't come up and be a guy you wouldn't sit down and talk to. He's good, he's really, really good."

* played for john thompson
* played for pat riley
* assistant under doug collins
* assistant under jvg
* assistant under svg
* lauded for his work with yao and dwight
* dealt with harsh ny media throughout his career

[Edited by - djsunyc on 04-24-2008 1:52 PM]

I've never seen Ewing coach, so if another coach says he's good I've got to believe him. But I know his reputation as a player was a guy who lead through intensity and effort, not through communication. (Herb was considered the lockerroom leader.) And I've seen him as guest analyst on TNT or TBS, and while his concepts were good, his delivery felt forced, bumbled and and unconvincing.

I love Patrick, but he wouldn't be high on my shortlist of interviews based on what I've seen of him over the years.
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4/24/2008  2:08 PM
Dwight Howard gives Ewing credit for much of his improvement and playoff heroics as of late:

"It's the playoffs. this is where you make your name. LeBron (James) did it last year, he had his team in the Finals,'' Howard said. "Pat (Ewing, the Magic's big-man coach) is always telling me to give an extra effort on each possession. He's pushed me to another level.''
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4/24/2008  2:26 PM
I think it has lot to do with the way Ewing interacted with the media as a player. Always somewhat aloof in good or bad times. As much as I love Ewing as a player, I'm not convinced that he will make a good head coach.
Or maybe it's just a big man thing, see Kareem Abdul Jabbar.
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4/24/2008  2:31 PM
dj - you already know that being a head coach in New York is not only about results, but about shaping perception through the daily interaction with players, assistants, front-office staff and the (cough) media.

Patrick may be able to translate his experience inside the locker room and on the bench, but I fear that the first time he stumbles over a response to a difficult question or even thinks about having a Hal McRae moment after a tough loss it's all downhill. Not because of anything that Patrick can be faulted for in his history, but that he HAS history with the NY media that was not always on his side. Any reporter who harbors an ounce of resentment towards The Big Fella for a decade-old diss has a field day.

Jackson, on the other hand, may receive the longer honeymoon, just because he is the new guy in a tough situation. He is expected to make mistakes. My sense is Mark Jackson has the better inventory of clever retorts and, if needed, a few Bill Parcell's-like New York comebacks to keep everyone honest.

Including his most important clients from all of the above - the players.

I'm jus' sayin'
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4/24/2008  2:32 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by djsunyc:
A few thoughts from Stan Van Gundy, who spent part of his time after shoot-around crediting Pat Ewing for the development of Dwight Howard and pumping him as a candidate for the Knicks job: “To be honest it's sort of amused me, the whole thing in New York. All these names come up for the head coaching job there and they're not talking about him? This is guy who's paid his dues and been an assistant in the league and gone out on the court and learned to coach every day. He doesn't just do big man stuff. That's what every one talks about, but he does what everyone on our staff does: When it's his turn, once out of every four teams he does the scouting report and takes the team through the film, he does all of that. I've been bewildered by the fact that here's one of the absolute greats in New York Knicks history and they're not talking about him at all. I know Mark Jackson has some history with Donnie Walsh, plus having played with the Knicks, and I have great respect for Mark, but Mark has never coached a day, anywhere, and Pat has put his time in Washington and Houston and here. And he has put time in away from the Van Gundy family, so he had to learn something in that year, anyway. So you have to give him some credit. I don't know why his name wouldn't come up and be a guy you wouldn't sit down and talk to. He's good, he's really, really good."

* played for john thompson
* played for pat riley
* assistant under doug collins
* assistant under jvg
* assistant under svg
* lauded for his work with yao and dwight
* dealt with harsh ny media throughout his career

[Edited by - djsunyc on 04-24-2008 1:52 PM]

I've never seen Ewing coach, so if another coach says he's good I've got to believe him. But I know his reputation as a player was a guy who lead through intensity and effort, not through communication. (Herb was considered the lockerroom leader.) And I've seen him as guest analyst on TNT or TBS, and while his concepts were good, his delivery felt forced, bumbled and and unconvincing.

I love Patrick, but he wouldn't be high on my shortlist of interviews based on what I've seen of him over the years.

That's a good point, but at the same time, SVG did say that Ewing does the big man coaching as well as doing what all the other coaches do.

What I wanna know is why does SVG think we are never talking about Ewing. We talk about all the time about how we want him as an assistant. I know I'd like him here to do that. Maybe he can actually push Curry and maybe down the road, he can be a head coach.
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4/24/2008  2:40 PM
but Mark has never coached a day, anywhere, and Pat has put his time in Washington and Houston and here.

I've been saying the same thing on here this whole time. At least Walsh should meet with him- I suspect more fans would be excited about Ewing coaching than Mark-
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4/24/2008  2:47 PM
franco - It doens't matter what the fans think. Walsh isn't necessarily looking for someone to get the fans excited.

He's looking for someone to manage a staff of assistants, delegate responsibility, set the tone, patrol the sidelines and enforce his new company handbook to the players.

He's looking for the best leader.
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4/24/2008  2:59 PM
Svg should be in NYC coaching. I love that guy. Aside from that he has proven that he can mix up styles of play, like with Miami and now Orlando. He is a balls out guy and I freaking love it.

Poinrt being.......NYC coaching is more about personality than coaching. Mark has and awesome personality and he knows how to be dramatic......I bet he could cry on cue.

He knows nyc......get him an awesome staff and be done with it. If Ewing wants to leave Orlando to assist Mark, I'm sure they would let him do what he wants.

Blah, blah......
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4/24/2008  3:28 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Poinrt being.......NYC coaching is more about personality than coaching.

Maybe thats why we haven't won a championship since 1973...
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4/24/2008  7:54 PM
I think Ewing is probably a great big man coach and a 1:1 tutor. I do not know if he is the type of leader/teacher that can communicate the intensity he had as a player to a team. Ewing was never, "The Captain", he was always a 'Tri'. That was not because of his play, work ethic, or his ability to be a role model. It was because he is not an outspoken leader/communicator. He is my favorite Knick but I do not see him in the role of head coach.
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4/24/2008  8:25 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by djsunyc:
A few thoughts from Stan Van Gundy, who spent part of his time after shoot-around crediting Pat Ewing for the development of Dwight Howard and pumping him as a candidate for the Knicks job: “To be honest it's sort of amused me, the whole thing in New York. All these names come up for the head coaching job there and they're not talking about him? This is guy who's paid his dues and been an assistant in the league and gone out on the court and learned to coach every day. He doesn't just do big man stuff. That's what every one talks about, but he does what everyone on our staff does: When it's his turn, once out of every four teams he does the scouting report and takes the team through the film, he does all of that. I've been bewildered by the fact that here's one of the absolute greats in New York Knicks history and they're not talking about him at all. I know Mark Jackson has some history with Donnie Walsh, plus having played with the Knicks, and I have great respect for Mark, but Mark has never coached a day, anywhere, and Pat has put his time in Washington and Houston and here. And he has put time in away from the Van Gundy family, so he had to learn something in that year, anyway. So you have to give him some credit. I don't know why his name wouldn't come up and be a guy you wouldn't sit down and talk to. He's good, he's really, really good."

* played for john thompson
* played for pat riley
* assistant under doug collins
* assistant under jvg
* assistant under svg
* lauded for his work with yao and dwight
* dealt with harsh ny media throughout his career

[Edited by - djsunyc on 04-24-2008 1:52 PM]

I've never seen Ewing coach, so if another coach says he's good I've got to believe him. But I know his reputation as a player was a guy who lead through intensity and effort, not through communication. (Herb was considered the lockerroom leader.) And I've seen him as guest analyst on TNT or TBS, and while his concepts were good, his delivery felt forced, bumbled and and unconvincing.

I love Patrick, but he wouldn't be high on my shortlist of interviews based on what I've seen of him over the years.

That's a good point, but at the same time, SVG did say that Ewing does the big man coaching as well as doing what all the other coaches do.

What I wanna know is why does SVG think we are never talking about Ewing. We talk about all the time about how we want him as an assistant. I know I'd like him here to do that. Maybe he can actually push Curry and maybe down the road, he can be a head coach.

We talk about Ewing but Knicks organiztion doesn't talk about Ewing. Thats the plain truth and nothing but the truth. I'm really sick of this Isiah and now Walsh BS that is going on giving their friends a free ride. Mark Jackson does not deserve to coach until he gets his feet wet as an assitant coach. I am not an advocate of hiring friends to run the show just because of past relations. I want the best possible candidate and Mark Jackson comes up vastly inexperienced as opposed to others who have done the time.



[Edited by - Vmart on 04-24-2008 8:26 PM]
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4/24/2008  8:38 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Svg should be in NYC coaching. I love that guy. Aside from that he has proven that he can mix up styles of play, like with Miami and now Orlando. He is a balls out guy and I freaking love it.

Poinrt being.......NYC coaching is more about personality than coaching. Mark has and awesome personality and he knows how to be dramatic......I bet he could cry on cue.

He knows nyc......get him an awesome staff and be done with it. If Ewing wants to leave Orlando to assist Mark, I'm sure they would let him do what he wants.

Blah, blah......

Not necessarily true. JVG had zero personality as a head coach.
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4/24/2008  8:38 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
A few thoughts from Stan Van Gundy, who spent part of his time after shoot-around crediting Pat Ewing for the development of Dwight Howard and pumping him as a candidate for the Knicks job: “To be honest it's sort of amused me, the whole thing in New York. All these names come up for the head coaching job there and they're not talking about him? This is guy who's paid his dues and been an assistant in the league and gone out on the court and learned to coach every day. He doesn't just do big man stuff. That's what every one talks about, but he does what everyone on our staff does: When it's his turn, once out of every four teams he does the scouting report and takes the team through the film, he does all of that. I've been bewildered by the fact that here's one of the absolute greats in New York Knicks history and they're not talking about him at all. I know Mark Jackson has some history with Donnie Walsh, plus having played with the Knicks, and I have great respect for Mark, but Mark has never coached a day, anywhere, and Pat has put his time in Washington and Houston and here. And he has put time in away from the Van Gundy family, so he had to learn something in that year, anyway. So you have to give him some credit. I don't know why his name wouldn't come up and be a guy you wouldn't sit down and talk to. He's good, he's really, really good."

* played for john thompson
* played for pat riley
* assistant under doug collins
* assistant under jvg
* assistant under svg
* lauded for his work with yao and dwight
* dealt with harsh ny media throughout his career

[Edited by - djsunyc on 04-24-2008 1:52 PM]

One lousy college championship. That's why.
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4/24/2008  8:41 PM
Posted by 4949:
Posted by djsunyc:
A few thoughts from Stan Van Gundy, who spent part of his time after shoot-around crediting Pat Ewing for the development of Dwight Howard and pumping him as a candidate for the Knicks job: “To be honest it's sort of amused me, the whole thing in New York. All these names come up for the head coaching job there and they're not talking about him? This is guy who's paid his dues and been an assistant in the league and gone out on the court and learned to coach every day. He doesn't just do big man stuff. That's what every one talks about, but he does what everyone on our staff does: When it's his turn, once out of every four teams he does the scouting report and takes the team through the film, he does all of that. I've been bewildered by the fact that here's one of the absolute greats in New York Knicks history and they're not talking about him at all. I know Mark Jackson has some history with Donnie Walsh, plus having played with the Knicks, and I have great respect for Mark, but Mark has never coached a day, anywhere, and Pat has put his time in Washington and Houston and here. And he has put time in away from the Van Gundy family, so he had to learn something in that year, anyway. So you have to give him some credit. I don't know why his name wouldn't come up and be a guy you wouldn't sit down and talk to. He's good, he's really, really good."

* played for john thompson
* played for pat riley
* assistant under doug collins
* assistant under jvg
* assistant under svg
* lauded for his work with yao and dwight
* dealt with harsh ny media throughout his career

[Edited by - djsunyc on 04-24-2008 1:52 PM]

One lousy college championship. That's why.

And how many lousy rings does Doc Rivers own again? Where did JVG earn his bing-bling at? And where is Sam Mitchells stash?
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4/24/2008  8:41 PM
Posted by mythfaze:

Dwight Howard gives Ewing credit for much of his improvement and playoff heroics as of late:

"It's the playoffs. this is where you make your name. LeBron (James) did it last year, he had his team in the Finals,'' Howard said. "Pat (Ewing, the Magic's big-man coach) is always telling me to give an extra effort on each possession. He's pushed me to another level.''

You make it sound like all Ewing has to do is 'touch' someone and suddenly their a star. Howard has natural talent. Anyone' can give him a break and he would've taken care of the rest himself.
Besides, a lot of people here have already stated that 'experience' is OVERRATED!

There's a nice big fat double-edged sword on this board.


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4/24/2008  8:51 PM
As fas as Ewing is conerned, its all about perception. Lets be honest, according to most, Ewing is just another, aloof, giant, who didn't need to use his brains to dunk a basketball. I think most, not all, but most centers carry this stereotype around with them (save for the man with more rings than fingers).

Most players who turned coach seem to be the heady guys. PG's or those slow, unathletic players who were too slow and had to use their smarts to compete.

Check some of the current coaches:

Sam Mitchell
Sam Vincent
Byron Scott
Avery Johnson
George Karl
Phil Jackson
Marc Ivaroni
Randy Witman
Nate Mcmillian
Doc Rivers

None of these guys were stars buy any stretch. Most were energy guys off the bench, or PG's. No centers on that list.





[Edited by - Uptown on 04-24-2008 8:53 PM]
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4/24/2008  9:10 PM
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by 4949:
Posted by djsunyc:
A few thoughts from Stan Van Gundy, who spent part of his time after shoot-around crediting Pat Ewing for the development of Dwight Howard and pumping him as a candidate for the Knicks job: “To be honest it's sort of amused me, the whole thing in New York. All these names come up for the head coaching job there and they're not talking about him? This is guy who's paid his dues and been an assistant in the league and gone out on the court and learned to coach every day. He doesn't just do big man stuff. That's what every one talks about, but he does what everyone on our staff does: When it's his turn, once out of every four teams he does the scouting report and takes the team through the film, he does all of that. I've been bewildered by the fact that here's one of the absolute greats in New York Knicks history and they're not talking about him at all. I know Mark Jackson has some history with Donnie Walsh, plus having played with the Knicks, and I have great respect for Mark, but Mark has never coached a day, anywhere, and Pat has put his time in Washington and Houston and here. And he has put time in away from the Van Gundy family, so he had to learn something in that year, anyway. So you have to give him some credit. I don't know why his name wouldn't come up and be a guy you wouldn't sit down and talk to. He's good, he's really, really good."

* played for john thompson
* played for pat riley
* assistant under doug collins
* assistant under jvg
* assistant under svg
* lauded for his work with yao and dwight
* dealt with harsh ny media throughout his career

[Edited by - djsunyc on 04-24-2008 1:52 PM]

One lousy college championship. That's why.

And how many lousy rings does Doc Rivers own again? Where did JVG earn his bing-bling at? And where is Sam Mitchells stash?

What does that' got to do with Ewing not being talked about here?

[Edited by - 4949 on 04-24-2008 9:11 PM]
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4/24/2008  9:12 PM
pg's make great coaches because they understand how the game is supposed to go.

I don't mind them picking Jackson over Ewing- I just think he ought to be owed an interview- he served this franchise well- got paid- but sold a lot of jerseys, got the team through many play off games.

He isn't owed the job- but I think Dolan should take his head out his ass and ask walsh to wait until he can at least give him a look.
why no ewing talk?

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