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djsunyc
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4/24/2008  1:46 PM
he had his great quotes about how people describe white/black players.

here's him talking about the media:
And more Van Gundy, on why, basically, reporters are idiots. That anyone would think this way kind of shocks me, but anyway: “Here's the funny thing, I sort of laugh at the coverage – nothing personal guys – but when Chris Bosh raises up to shoot that shot at the end of the game and the ball is in the air stop write there and write your stories. Did Sam do a good job or not do a good job? Write your stories, right then, without seeing the ball bounce out. Because if it goes in you're writing about resilience, how Sam kept them in the game, how he made great adjustments and the whole thing. And it bounces out and all of Sam's adjustments are screwing them up, they're confused. That's the game, and that's coaching. The ball is in there air and you guys are going to write your stories based on whether it bounces out or goes in, bottom line. No one is writing what that they wrote if the ball went in. Then it's me. My team fell apart, I didn't keep them in it…that's the game."

“We lost in Miami on that Allan Houston, you know, that bounced in. And the conventional thinking then was that if New York lost that series, Jeff was getting fired. The shot went in and New York went to the Finals. Allan Houston's shot hit the back rim and bounced up in the air and my brother said – that's where I got that line – “stop it right there, when the ball is in the air: Can he coach or can he not coach?” That's what you guys write it on, whether you want to admit it or not, is if Chris Bosh's shot bounced in or bounced out, if Sam did a good job or I did a good job.”

[Edited by - djsunyc on 04-24-2008 1:47 PM]
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4/24/2008  1:52 PM
Stan is starting to sound more and more like his big brother.
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4/24/2008  1:53 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Stan is starting to sound more and more like his big brother.

Stan is the older brother.

[Edited by - K22 on 2008-04-24 1:55 PM]
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4/24/2008  1:56 PM
Posted by K22:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Stan is starting to sound more and more like his big brother.

Stan is the older brother.

[Edited by - K22 on 2008-04-24 1:55 PM]

Alright well, Stan is starting to sound more and more like his more *accomplished* coach brother.
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4/24/2008  2:11 PM
I would love to hear stan angundy discuss the the ncaa and how players aren't getting any cash , but they make a lot of money for the university.
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4/24/2008  2:13 PM
Posted by playa2:

I would love to hear stan angundy discuss the the ncaa and how players aren't getting any cash , but they make a lot of money for the university.

he would tell you to stfu and post that **** in the OT forum.
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4/24/2008  2:14 PM
Same reason that the regular students DON'T get paid, yet aren't on scholarships and have to take out massive loans and deal with that pain in the arse later in life, or have to flat take the money out of their own pockets. Sorry playa. As a student, I'd find it insulting if I found that certain other students were getting paid just because they were athletes, yet we the other student work just as hard and we actually pay to go to school there. Hence, they make the profit off us too.

[Edited by - Allanfan20 on 25-04-2008 2:03 PM]
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4/24/2008  2:46 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

he had his great quotes about how people describe white/black players.

here's him talking about the media:
And more Van Gundy, on why, basically, reporters are idiots. That anyone would think this way kind of shocks me, but anyway: “Here's the funny thing, I sort of laugh at the coverage – nothing personal guys – but when Chris Bosh raises up to shoot that shot at the end of the game and the ball is in the air stop write there and write your stories. Did Sam do a good job or not do a good job? Write your stories, right then, without seeing the ball bounce out. Because if it goes in you're writing about resilience, how Sam kept them in the game, how he made great adjustments and the whole thing. And it bounces out and all of Sam's adjustments are screwing them up, they're confused. That's the game, and that's coaching. The ball is in there air and you guys are going to write your stories based on whether it bounces out or goes in, bottom line. No one is writing what that they wrote if the ball went in. Then it's me. My team fell apart, I didn't keep them in it…that's the game."

“We lost in Miami on that Allan Houston, you know, that bounced in. And the conventional thinking then was that if New York lost that series, Jeff was getting fired. The shot went in and New York went to the Finals. Allan Houston's shot hit the back rim and bounced up in the air and my brother said – that's where I got that line – “stop it right there, when the ball is in the air: Can he coach or can he not coach?” That's what you guys write it on, whether you want to admit it or not, is if Chris Bosh's shot bounced in or bounced out, if Sam did a good job or I did a good job.”

[Edited by - djsunyc on 04-24-2008 1:47 PM]


He's right and that's why I said the other day... Sam through all the many mistakes he supposedly made during game 2, put his team in a position to win. SVG is right. Bosh shot goes in Sam Mitchell is looked at differently today. Not to say that's even correct. If Bosh's shot goes in Sam doesn't deserve any more credit other than he put his team in position to win. On to Game 3, the Raptors could get blown out then what?

The internet has been a vehicle to expose BS. We could write better articles than Berman or Lawrence The day the media starts writing strictly with the fan in view is the day things get back to how they're supposed to be.



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 04-24-2008 4:46 PM]
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4/24/2008  2:50 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by playa2:

I would love to hear stan angundy discuss the the ncaa and how players aren't getting any cash , but they make a lot of money for the university.

he would tell you to stfu and post that **** in the OT forum.


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4/24/2008  2:51 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by playa2:

I would love to hear stan angundy discuss the the ncaa and how players aren't getting any cash , but they make a lot of money for the university.

he would tell you to stfu and post that **** in the OT forum.

LOL!
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4/24/2008  5:38 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Same reason that the regular students DON'T get paid, yet aren't on scholarships and have to take out massive loans and deal with that pain in the arse later in life, or have to flat out pocket the money. Sorry playa. As a student, I'd find it insulting if I found that certain other students were getting paid just because they were athletes, yet every other student works just as hard and we give them our own money.

I'm with you. When you receive a scholarship for athletics aren't you technically being paid thousands of dollars? Would it make a difference if we paid the plaeyrs thousands of dollars but then did away with athletic scholarships?

I do however feel that if the university is making money off of a jersey that has a players name/number on it, or merchandise with their likeness, then that player should receive money for this.
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4/24/2008  6:12 PM
You better shut up Bip , brotha martin will show you what he really thinks.

I guess REPAYING college tuition is slapping him around about now LOL
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4/24/2008  6:37 PM
Posted by playa2:

You better shut up Bip , brotha martin will show you what he really thinks.

I guess REPAYING college tuition is slapping him around about now LOL

no dude, just you.
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4/24/2008  11:15 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by playa2:

I would love to hear stan angundy discuss the the ncaa and how players aren't getting any cash , but they make a lot of money for the university.

he would tell you to stfu and post that **** in the OT forum.



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4/25/2008  7:17 AM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Allanfan20:

Same reason that the regular students DON'T get paid, yet aren't on scholarships and have to take out massive loans and deal with that pain in the arse later in life, or have to flat out pocket the money. Sorry playa. As a student, I'd find it insulting if I found that certain other students were getting paid just because they were athletes, yet every other student works just as hard and we give them our own money.

I'm with you. When you receive a scholarship for athletics aren't you technically being paid thousands of dollars? Would it make a difference if we paid the plaeyrs thousands of dollars but then did away with athletic scholarships?

I do however feel that if the university is making money off of a jersey that has a players name/number on it, or merchandise with their likeness, then that player should receive money for this.


Bip too many on this site are anti-college ball player and pro university presidents when it comes to finances.

You would think they ran a university themselves.
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4/25/2008  8:00 AM
Posted by playa2:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Allanfan20:

Same reason that the regular students DON'T get paid, yet aren't on scholarships and have to take out massive loans and deal with that pain in the arse later in life, or have to flat out pocket the money. Sorry playa. As a student, I'd find it insulting if I found that certain other students were getting paid just because they were athletes, yet every other student works just as hard and we give them our own money.

I'm with you. When you receive a scholarship for athletics aren't you technically being paid thousands of dollars? Would it make a difference if we paid the plaeyrs thousands of dollars but then did away with athletic scholarships?

I do however feel that if the university is making money off of a jersey that has a players name/number on it, or merchandise with their likeness, then that player should receive money for this.


Bip too many on this site are anti-college ball player and pro university presidents when it comes to finances.

You would think they ran a university themselves.
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4/25/2008  11:19 AM
Yeah Playa I understand that these guys are students like everyone else and should not get special benefits. I also do not believe you should pay me to play anymore than you should pay a chemistry student to experiment. But if that chemistry student discovers something that the school can attach it's name too, both he and the school get paid. So why should a university be able to make millions off athletes through merchandise sales and appearance fees and yet the athletes receive nothing? In that respect he/she is not getting paid to play. They are being compensated for the millions of dollars and prestige that their name brings to this university and will continue to bring for the next 20 years.

Without Ray Allen, Rip Hamilton, Emeka Okafor, Cliff Robinson etc, Uconn is still a safety school.
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4/25/2008  1:58 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Yeah Playa I understand that these guys are students like everyone else and should not get special benefits. I also do not believe you should pay me to play anymore than you should pay a chemistry student to experiment. But if that chemistry student discovers something that the school can attach it's name too, both he and the school get paid. So why should a university be able to make millions off athletes through merchandise sales and appearance fees and yet the athletes receive nothing? In that respect he/she is not getting paid to play. They are being compensated for the millions of dollars and prestige that their name brings to this university and will continue to bring for the next 20 years.

Without Ray Allen, Rip Hamilton, Emeka Okafor, Cliff Robinson etc, Uconn is still a safety school.

Generally speaking, the chem student does NOT get paid if something is discovered and the school would own patent rights, etc.

It's the same deal when you work for a company and make an invention. The company owns the rights, not the individual.

Life sucks sometimes but that's how it works.

Universities, generally speaking, are a business, and this is standard operating procedure for a business. After his freshman year, Webber could have cut a deal with the university to make his likeness on shirts or sweatshirts profitable for himself if he wanted and threaten to go to another school if they did not agree with him. In fact, if student athletes all around feel that they are being taken advantage of, they can quit and go to another school.

What's the problem here?
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4/25/2008  2:46 PM

If a studant has a grant to study and make a discovery the grantor owns the rights.

In biotech I believe the universities own most of the patents in research.

If you are paid, then the company you might work for will own your research. Is it fair? Well, yeah they pay you for producing the product or process. Now you might be up for a nice promotion or bonus based on incentive, but they own your work.

The guy that invented "post it notes" at 3m did not get to keep the royalties. He did not put up the capital, the manufacturing process, the materials, nor the marketing expense and intellegence that made it sucessful.

What makes Duke a money maker? THe players? To a degree, but year in and year out they change. The player fills in and plays to an adoring audience. In a way the team makes the player famous. Sure they can go else where, or the NBA, but they make their mark in college.

A player who becomes the face of the team, or for that matter gets promoted in the system is being made marketable. Think how much exposure Tyler Hansborough gets as the national player of the year. He is becoming a brand. People want to hear him talk, endorse products and its "college basketball" that is making him.

So why is that so wrong?


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4/25/2008  2:51 PM
FYI: the whole patent thing has very specific rules when it comes to "work for hire" vs. independent discovery. It is not always the case that if you work for someone and you make a discovery on the job that you have to grant them your patent. There is more to it than that. Courts go through a multi-factorial analysis to decide these types of questions.
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