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4/22/2008  10:21 PM
Unless Ford goes into Chris Paul mode from here on out he won't be a Raptor next yr no doubt about it. He's been awfully bad. I remember talking to someone recently about how Jameer was good enough to be a starting point guard on a playoff team and he's proving it. Meanwhile Ford looks like he should be a possible backup point guard in the NBDL championship game. Ford isn't that good unless you let him play in Turbo One-Man Fast Break Mode. Ford also appears to be a regular season point guard vs a post season point guard. Ford plays virtually no D. I wonder where Ford ends up. I'm thinking Seattle might be a good spot for him. The Raptors could go after one of Seattle's big men maybe Petro.

Ford + 1 pick

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Watson + Petro + 2nd rounder

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 04-22-2008 9:25 PM]
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4/22/2008  10:23 PM
And he's a GM/Coach's worst nightmare with his history of injuries and being a fragile player.

TJ Ford isn't a very good player.
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4/23/2008  10:35 AM
while tj might be traded, it doesn't mean he's not a good player. he's a darn good player. not at the tier of paul + deron but 1 level right below.

raptors down 15 in the 1st, tj took control of the team and led them back to being down 2 going into the half.

the jameer *owning* happened b/c smitch's defensive scheme asks for constant doubling down in the post. on every possession, there's at least one wide open magic player shooting wide open 3's.

i think tj ford is very underrated in terms of his ability to lead a team. he's still developing. the injury by horford set him back this season. but he came back. and when calderon is in the game and doing well, tj is standing and cheering...

05/06:
season: 12.2 pts, 6.6 asts, 41.6 fg% (35.5 mins)
playoffs: 12.6 pts, 6.4 asts, 49.0 fg%

06/07:
season: 14.0 pts, 7.9 asts, 43.6 fg% (29.9 mins)
playoffs: 16.0 pts, 4.0 asts, 48.7 fg%

07/08:
season: 12.1 pts, 6.1 asts, 46.9 fg% (23.5 mins)

i think he is a postseason performer.

dude is getting better and if i had to pick one to keep, it would be tj over jose. and whoever gets tj, will be getting a pg on the rise at age 25.

this postseason he's been playing poorly - but so has the entire raptors team sans bosh. that's on smitch.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 04-23-2008 10:39 AM]
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4/23/2008  11:41 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

while tj might be traded, it doesn't mean he's not a good player. he's a darn good player. not at the tier of paul + deron but 1 level right below.

raptors down 15 in the 1st, tj took control of the team and led them back to being down 2 going into the half.

the jameer *owning* happened b/c smitch's defensive scheme asks for constant doubling down in the post. on every possession, there's at least one wide open magic player shooting wide open 3's.

i think tj ford is very underrated in terms of his ability to lead a team. he's still developing. the injury by horford set him back this season. but he came back. and when calderon is in the game and doing well, tj is standing and cheering...

05/06:
season: 12.2 pts, 6.6 asts, 41.6 fg% (35.5 mins)
playoffs: 12.6 pts, 6.4 asts, 49.0 fg%

06/07:
season: 14.0 pts, 7.9 asts, 43.6 fg% (29.9 mins)
playoffs: 16.0 pts, 4.0 asts, 48.7 fg%

07/08:
season: 12.1 pts, 6.1 asts, 46.9 fg% (23.5 mins)

i think he is a postseason performer.

dude is getting better and if i had to pick one to keep, it would be tj over jose. and whoever gets tj, will be getting a pg on the rise at age 25.

this postseason he's been playing poorly - but so has the entire raptors team sans bosh. that's on smitch.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 04-23-2008 10:39 AM]


DJ I think his game is at it's best when you let him run wild. I don' think Toronto has the roster conducive to T.J. playing that way. They have shooters but they don't have play makers besides Bosh and T.J. T.J. gets caught in the in-between a lot. With that said I don't think T.J. is a bad basketball player per say, it seems he's suited to play best in a certain style. All post-game comments point to the fact T.J. may lose his spot as the starter by Jose so if he's leading comebacks as you stated, they must not be valued as much by the Raptors. Or Jose is playing the kind of ball valued most at this time. Shooting 2-17fg in the playoffs as a starting point guard is HORRIFUL. Maybe T.J. is being used improperly or setup to be a fall guy. I don't know. Smith does have 4 players on his roster having career yrs so he's doing something right and they had a chance to win yesterday even with a monster game from Dwight.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 04-23-2008 10:45 AM]
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4/23/2008  11:52 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

while tj might be traded, it doesn't mean he's not a good player. he's a darn good player. not at the tier of paul + deron but 1 level right below.

raptors down 15 in the 1st, tj took control of the team and led them back to being down 2 going into the half.

the jameer *owning* happened b/c smitch's defensive scheme asks for constant doubling down in the post. on every possession, there's at least one wide open magic player shooting wide open 3's.

i think tj ford is very underrated in terms of his ability to lead a team. he's still developing. the injury by horford set him back this season. but he came back. and when calderon is in the game and doing well, tj is standing and cheering...

05/06:
season: 12.2 pts, 6.6 asts, 41.6 fg% (35.5 mins)
playoffs: 12.6 pts, 6.4 asts, 49.0 fg%

06/07:
season: 14.0 pts, 7.9 asts, 43.6 fg% (29.9 mins)
playoffs: 16.0 pts, 4.0 asts, 48.7 fg%

07/08:
season: 12.1 pts, 6.1 asts, 46.9 fg% (23.5 mins)

i think he is a postseason performer.

dude is getting better and if i had to pick one to keep, it would be tj over jose. and whoever gets tj, will be getting a pg on the rise at age 25.

this postseason he's been playing poorly - but so has the entire raptors team sans bosh. that's on smitch.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 04-23-2008 10:39 AM]

Excellent post. for some reason TB has this need to go after ford. I don't get it... But I suggested that ford would be great for the wizards instead of arenas running point. Ford has great speed, he can create and he will keep a defense on its toes... I would love to see the wizards go after him, and trade arenas for a big who can post up and score.. that would balance that team out. they have scorers in jamison and Butler, I think they need a PG like ford and a big who can score in the post..
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4/23/2008  12:07 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by djsunyc:

while tj might be traded, it doesn't mean he's not a good player. he's a darn good player. not at the tier of paul + deron but 1 level right below.

raptors down 15 in the 1st, tj took control of the team and led them back to being down 2 going into the half.

the jameer *owning* happened b/c smitch's defensive scheme asks for constant doubling down in the post. on every possession, there's at least one wide open magic player shooting wide open 3's.

i think tj ford is very underrated in terms of his ability to lead a team. he's still developing. the injury by horford set him back this season. but he came back. and when calderon is in the game and doing well, tj is standing and cheering...

05/06:
season: 12.2 pts, 6.6 asts, 41.6 fg% (35.5 mins)
playoffs: 12.6 pts, 6.4 asts, 49.0 fg%

06/07:
season: 14.0 pts, 7.9 asts, 43.6 fg% (29.9 mins)
playoffs: 16.0 pts, 4.0 asts, 48.7 fg%

07/08:
season: 12.1 pts, 6.1 asts, 46.9 fg% (23.5 mins)

i think he is a postseason performer.

dude is getting better and if i had to pick one to keep, it would be tj over jose. and whoever gets tj, will be getting a pg on the rise at age 25.

this postseason he's been playing poorly - but so has the entire raptors team sans bosh. that's on smitch.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 04-23-2008 10:39 AM]

Excellent post. for some reason TB has this need to go after ford. I don't get it... But I suggested that ford would be great for the wizards instead of arenas running point. Ford has great speed, he can create and he will keep a defense on its toes... I would love to see the wizards go after him, and trade arenas for a big who can post up and score.. that would balance that team out. they have scorers in jamison and Butler, I think they need a PG like ford and a big who can score in the post..


I've been on Ford for about 2mos now TKF where have you been? When he developed his known attitude of being somewhat of a Diva point guard. He's had a history of attitude problems. He expressed his disappointment for backing up Calderon, trying to do too much in games when the Raptors were playing fairly well and every since then the Raptors haven't faired well. Calderon was more than willing to go back to the bench so T.J. could get his. I think T.J.'s a good person but he's developing this reputation of a chemistry killer. It's affecting his play.

I think he'd be good in Seattle to pair with Durant and Green. Durant and Ford both played at Texas.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 04-23-2008 11:24 AM]
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4/23/2008  12:23 PM
tj to clippers for thornton
tj to hawks for marvin
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4/23/2008  12:26 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

tj to clippers for thornton
tj to hawks for marvin


What do you do with Livingston if he returns healthy?

I like the Hawks as a possibility perfect roster for his game. Do you not feel Acie Law can develop into a starting point guard talent?
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4/23/2008  12:28 PM
i think tj did feel his job threatened after he got hurt but i think it had more to do with him coming off the bench. i don't think he knew how to do it and it drove him nuts...especially after coming back from the injury.

but he's still a team guy and cheers on his teammates. he has to grow up a bit, but he's really a top flight pg that's up and coming. his height/weight will always prevent him from becoming great (and of course his health) but he's still a big time orchestrator of the offense.
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4/23/2008  12:28 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by djsunyc:

while tj might be traded, it doesn't mean he's not a good player. he's a darn good player. not at the tier of paul + deron but 1 level right below.

raptors down 15 in the 1st, tj took control of the team and led them back to being down 2 going into the half.

the jameer *owning* happened b/c smitch's defensive scheme asks for constant doubling down in the post. on every possession, there's at least one wide open magic player shooting wide open 3's.

i think tj ford is very underrated in terms of his ability to lead a team. he's still developing. the injury by horford set him back this season. but he came back. and when calderon is in the game and doing well, tj is standing and cheering...

05/06:
season: 12.2 pts, 6.6 asts, 41.6 fg% (35.5 mins)
playoffs: 12.6 pts, 6.4 asts, 49.0 fg%

06/07:
season: 14.0 pts, 7.9 asts, 43.6 fg% (29.9 mins)
playoffs: 16.0 pts, 4.0 asts, 48.7 fg%

07/08:
season: 12.1 pts, 6.1 asts, 46.9 fg% (23.5 mins)

i think he is a postseason performer.

dude is getting better and if i had to pick one to keep, it would be tj over jose. and whoever gets tj, will be getting a pg on the rise at age 25.

this postseason he's been playing poorly - but so has the entire raptors team sans bosh. that's on smitch.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 04-23-2008 10:39 AM]

Excellent post. for some reason TB has this need to go after ford. I don't get it... But I suggested that ford would be great for the wizards instead of arenas running point. Ford has great speed, he can create and he will keep a defense on its toes... I would love to see the wizards go after him, and trade arenas for a big who can post up and score.. that would balance that team out. they have scorers in jamison and Butler, I think they need a PG like ford and a big who can score in the post..


I've been on Ford for about 2mos now TKF where have you been? When he developed his known attitude of being somewhat of a Diva point guard. He's had a history of attitude problems. He expressed his disappointment for backing up Calderon, trying to do too much in games when the Raptors were playing fairly well and every since then the Raptors haven't faired well. Calderon was more than willing to go back to the bench so T.J. could get his. I think T.J.'s a good person but he's developing this reputation of a chemistry killer. It's affecting his play.

I think he'd be good in Seattle to pair with Durant and Green. Durant and Ford both played at Texas.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 04-23-2008 11:24 AM]

Thats cool. I get where you are comming from now. I don't completely agree, but I do agree seattle or even the wizards would be a good destination for Ford..
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4/23/2008  12:29 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by djsunyc:

tj to clippers for thornton
tj to hawks for marvin


What do you do with Livingston if he returns healthy?

I like the Hawks as a possibility perfect roster for his game. Do you not feel Acie Law can develop into a starting point guard talent?

livingston can be the backup 1/2. i don't think anybody knows what will happen with him.

tj for maggette is another possiblity.

acie law is a scorer - not a point guard.
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4/23/2008  12:30 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

tj to clippers for thornton
tj to hawks for marvin

You might have a trade there .. TJ for Marvin .. do the Raps really want another soft big man who plays outside though?
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Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by djsunyc:

tj to clippers for thornton
tj to hawks for marvin

You might have a trade there .. TJ for Marvin .. do the Raps really want another soft big man who plays outside though?

Yeah I think D.J. hit the spot in terms of ready now roster to pair with T.J.'s talent. No question the Raps need bigs that's why I chose Seattle. They have 5 of them in which I could possibly see 4 fitting in Toronto.
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if I was the GM for the raps...

make bosh the center.
trade tj + bargs for arenas.
trade jose + filler for redd's nasty contract.

OR

trade tj + bargs for diddy.
trade jose + moon + 2008 #1 for artest.

arenas + redd + bosh or diddy + artest + bosh
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Posted by djsunyc:

if I was the GM for the raps...

make bosh the center.
trade tj + bargs for arenas.
trade jose + filler for redd's nasty contract.

OR

trade tj + bargs for diddy.
trade jose + moon + 2008 #1 for artest.

arenas + redd + bosh or diddy + artest + bosh

I think both and Arenas and Diddy stay. Arenas has informed Washington to take care of Jamison first financially and work on his deal next. He doesn't want to come back if Jamison isn't in their plans. If Jamison is taken care of Arenas said he'll take a paycut to make it work. Diddy has too much reason to stay in Golden State and wants to. Depends what GSW want I think.

Extending such offers for both players is worth a shot that's for sure.

I would not pair Arenas with Redd..... Bosh would lose all of his Micro Braids/Dreads watching those two fire away.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 04-23-2008 12:07 PM]
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