...would you want them?

I would say YES to both. Some say Avery isn't a great coach but I beg to differ. I think he has the skills to be a great coach and he preaches defense which is always a good thing. I like Mitchell as well because he is a no-nonsense type guy like Skiles but to a lesser extent. He takes the game seriously and preaches defense but his team is filled with many European players who don't play any.

F no I don't want that short country sounding clown running this team. Dude is annoying as hell, and his sorry Mavericks bout to get swept by the Hornets.

Posted by GKFv2:

Yeah, that's a plan. Don't hire a coach because of the way he sounds. Sounds like the best way to build a team.

Anyway, the Mavericks are a soft team and the trade for Kidd ended up ruining their chemistry rather than help it. He got the Mavs to the finals and ran into Wade and the last good year of Shaq. He's an underrated coach who holds people accountable.

if the mavs are a soft team, what are the knicks?

And if Avery couldn't overcome their softness, what is he going to do here?

WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Folks- the next 2-5 years are throw away years. Lets be realistic. There is no saviour coming in 2010.

What have either Sam Mitchell or Avery proved?

NOTHING!

If Walsh wants to give Mark Jackson a shot - and I would prefer Ewing- so be it. He might be good, or he might suck. Doesn't matter because we're going to suck.

Posted by franco12:

Posted by GKFv2:

Yeah, that's a plan. Don't hire a coach because of the way he sounds. Sounds like the best way to build a team.

Anyway, the Mavericks are a soft team and the trade for Kidd ended up ruining their chemistry rather than help it. He got the Mavs to the finals and ran into Wade and the last good year of Shaq. He's an underrated coach who holds people accountable.

if the mavs are a soft team, what are the knicks?

And if Avery couldn't overcome their softness, what is he going to do here?

WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Folks- the next 2-5 years are throw away years. Lets be realistic. There is no saviour coming in 2010.

What have either Sam Mitchell or Avery proved?

NOTHING!

If Walsh wants to give Mark Jackson a shot - and I would prefer Ewing- so be it. He might be good, or he might suck. Doesn't matter because we're going to suck.

Ewing is not head coach material and why bring him here to tarnish his name?

I don't need to "WAKE UP!!" my man. I've been saying the exact same thing you've been saying all this time. That doesn't mean we can't hire a guy like Avery. He is still a young coach in the league.

Who cares about this team? Do you really think we should be hiring people based on how they fit with the team? I don.t

I like Mark Jackson and Tom Thibodeau too. I was just throwing out these guys' names.

Thanks for your input.

Patrick Ewing just doesn't have the demeanor and personality for a head coach. I love Pat but I just can never picture him being a head coach.

I'd take Sam Mitchell. I think the dude is a great coach. He breaks down his players sometimes but he is at war with them and has their back. I respect that about him. He's a tough bastard and seems like a good war general. He got those boys in Toronto playing some great ball.

If not Sam Mitchell, the knicks need to mimic that scenerio. Get a smart, strong personality to grow with the young building team. Establish a system and stick with it. Allow the GM to apply the correct pieces for the coach to do his job efficiently.......stay the course.....everyone works hard and is accountable.....those that aren't trade em. Fine strong willed winners, humble hard workers....

I pray things play out the right way for us.......something tells me it will work out just fine.

I posted about this a few weeks back and got the same feedback about Avery being too country. He is more proven than Jackson and I don't see Ewing as head coach. Pat had such poor relations with the media I can't see how that can translate to being a good head coach who has to deal with the media on a daily basis.

Posted by GKFv2:

Posted by franco12:

Posted by GKFv2:

Yeah, that's a plan. Don't hire a coach because of the way he sounds. Sounds like the best way to build a team.

Anyway, the Mavericks are a soft team and the trade for Kidd ended up ruining their chemistry rather than help it. He got the Mavs to the finals and ran into Wade and the last good year of Shaq. He's an underrated coach who holds people accountable.

if the mavs are a soft team, what are the knicks?

And if Avery couldn't overcome their softness, what is he going to do here?

WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Folks- the next 2-5 years are throw away years. Lets be realistic. There is no saviour coming in 2010.

What have either Sam Mitchell or Avery proved?

NOTHING!

If Walsh wants to give Mark Jackson a shot - and I would prefer Ewing- so be it. He might be good, or he might suck. Doesn't matter because we're going to suck.

Ewing is not head coach material and why bring him here to tarnish his name?

I don't need to "WAKE UP!!" my man. I've been saying the exact same thing you've been saying all this time. That doesn't mean we can't hire a guy like Avery. He is still a young coach in the league.

Who cares about this team? Do you really think we should be hiring people based on how they fit with the team? I don.t

I like Mark Jackson and Tom Thibodeau too. I was just throwing out these guys' names.

Thanks for your input.

Sam couldn't handle the questions the NY Media would bombard him with and with his temper, Sam would blow . I hear a lot of his interviews on the Fan590 in toronto and he doesn't really like answering tough questions and gets upset a lot.

Avery would fit in nicely here.

I say no to both of them. But I had to choose one, I would get Avery Johnson.

Whomever we hire I don't want re-treads, I don't want big names, I don't want college retreads.

We are in a situation where the next two seasons (should) will be spent cleaning up the overpaid-lazy-veteran-mess that Isiah has left behind.

Therefore you don't want to be going ahead with a big name coach who wants a 4 or 5 year deal and wants 5-8M per year to coach....and coach what I might add? Fight with a bunch of idiot fat disinterested veterans on the way to 30-something wins while alienating the kids on the roster?

Oh good lord no. Thank God that Skiles got taken by the Bucks. Imagine that disaster? Carlisle? JVG?

Fellas...please tell me you've been paying attention the past 4.75 seasons! No coach like mentioned above is going to come here and preach defense and conditioning and miraculously have Curry, Crawford, Lee, Zach playing at least even average defense. That's not reality nor a possibility. They also won't have Curry, QRich, Zach all in top physical condition - or have Lee, Balkman, Crawford, Mardy hitting the weights. These players have shown they have zero interest in doing so and no coach will change that.

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We need to do two things here after stepping into the reality of the situation:

1. Hire a guy like Jackson, Cassell, Darrel Armstrong, etc - someone who wants to get their feet wet.
2. Hire them for 2 years with a team option 3rd out of respect to the chance they could do well.

While the vets are being moved out you play the kids.

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As to Avery Johnson there's not much wrong with him. He came to a good Mavericks team and injected a brand new line of coaching and the change helped them "get over the hump" which led to a final appearance. Since then the dynamic of the team has changed and once a team falls like that the coach eventually gets tuned out.

Sam Mitchell? Eh... Sam already went through the crappy team dues and once the Raptors got some decent players then Sam looked decent. He's simply not the man for the job.

My Personal Choice has been for Dave Hanners to take over because I felt he did a tremendous job communicating with the kids in Summer League. I think he could do well given the situation.

One last note: Herb Williams is a big dummy and he's the worst coach I've ever seen. I sure hope this franchise is done toying with him being a head coach. He's not even a good assistant coach. He stinks. Loyalty is the only reason he's on the sidelines in a suit.

I'd love Avery.

For the reasons Cosmic mentioned above though, I'd seriously doubt that he'd want to come here in the immediate future.