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Nalod
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4/22/2008  11:17 AM

Where the hell did Hank come from? For years it looked like Georges son in law "Swindell" was to take over before the divorce and now we got Hank just swooping in and becoming the azzhole his dad was in his heyday.

All of a sudden this guy is becoming a regular quote machine
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4/22/2008  11:19 AM
George Steinbrenner is a legend. Can you imagine if we had him on the Knicks? Salary cap or not, that guy is a complete 180 from Dolan. He would have fired Isiah a long, long time ago. His son isn't the same but he's trying to imitate him. I think he's more bark than bite but as long as he has that passion to win I don't mind.
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4/22/2008  12:41 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

George Steinbrenner is a legend. Can you imagine if we had him on the Knicks? Salary cap or not, that guy is a complete 180 from Dolan. He would have fired Isiah a long, long time ago. His son isn't the same but he's trying to imitate him. I think he's more bark than bite but as long as he has that passion to win I don't mind.

George had some real bad years and embarrasment.

His dealings with Dave winfield was very bad business, the love/hate with Reggie and ran him off, the years and years of starphuchs that did not work out, and the turnstile of managers was idiotic. Fun to read about.

Was not until he settled down and let baseball people take over did it all come together.



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4/22/2008  12:44 PM
it seems like hank is all talk b/c he didn't move the young pitchers for santana and he's listening to cashman...for now.
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4/22/2008  12:46 PM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by GKFv2:

George Steinbrenner is a legend. Can you imagine if we had him on the Knicks? Salary cap or not, that guy is a complete 180 from Dolan. He would have fired Isiah a long, long time ago. His son isn't the same but he's trying to imitate him. I think he's more bark than bite but as long as he has that passion to win I don't mind.

George had some real bad years and embarrasment.

His dealings with Dave winfield was very bad business, the love/hate with Reggie and ran him off, the years and years of starphuchs that did not work out, and the turnstile of managers was idiotic. Fun to read about.

Was not until he settled down and let baseball people take over did it all come together.

I agree. I just admire George's passion to win. He was meddlesome but only because he was passionate. He didn't just throw away millions and sulk on the side lines like Dolan or have the lowest payroll and not care like the owner for the Devil Rays all these years.
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4/22/2008  12:52 PM
secondly, it's a 50/50 split between hank and hal...so all decisions must be mutual...
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4/22/2008  1:38 PM
as long as he keeps spending that cash i don't care what he says... there will never be another George tho, he's 1 of a kind... best owner in the history of sports in my book.
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4/22/2008  1:47 PM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by GKFv2:

George Steinbrenner is a legend. Can you imagine if we had him on the Knicks? Salary cap or not, that guy is a complete 180 from Dolan. He would have fired Isiah a long, long time ago. His son isn't the same but he's trying to imitate him. I think he's more bark than bite but as long as he has that passion to win I don't mind.

George had some real bad years and embarrasment.

His dealings with Dave winfield was very bad business, the love/hate with Reggie and ran him off, the years and years of starphuchs that did not work out, and the turnstile of managers was idiotic. Fun to read about.

Was not until he settled down and let baseball people take over did it all come together.

I agree, when george was forced to stay away from baseball, I forgot what happened, the yankee baseball people took over, Gene Michael, bob watson and others built the farm system, got guys like jeter and rivera, and petitte. but somewhere down the line, big george always loomed.... and his demand for winning and excellence created a culture that was no nonsense.

If george was the knicks owner, Isiah would have been gone long ago like GKF said. The knicks would not be in this bad of shape...
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4/22/2008  4:20 PM
George was one of the worst owners in sports. He became great when he took a step back and trusted his baseball people. Dave Winfield was a good guy, and a good player for the Yanks. He played his ass off everynight. This was not a Jerome James. What George did to him was sick.. really like a crazy person.

Why is Dolan terrible again? Because he is overly loyal to inept basketball people? Someone remind me again why Dolan is worst owner..
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4/22/2008  5:06 PM

George was a crazy bastard but you hadda love the guy.

Dolan is nothing.

I think impatience runs in the Stienbrenner family!
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4/22/2008  5:29 PM
Posted by fishmike:

George was one of the worst owners in sports. He became great when he took a step back and trusted his baseball people. Dave Winfield was a good guy, and a good player for the Yanks. He played his ass off everynight. This was not a Jerome James. What George did to him was sick.. really like a crazy person.

Why is Dolan terrible again? Because he is overly loyal to inept basketball people? Someone remind me again why Dolan is worst owner..

Pitiful that you would even defend a guy like Dolan. I don't have anything more to say.
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4/22/2008  6:59 PM
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by fishmike:

George was one of the worst owners in sports. He became great when he took a step back and trusted his baseball people. Dave Winfield was a good guy, and a good player for the Yanks. He played his ass off everynight. This was not a Jerome James. What George did to him was sick.. really like a crazy person.

Why is Dolan terrible again? Because he is overly loyal to inept basketball people? Someone remind me again why Dolan is worst owner..

Pitiful that you would even defend a guy like Dolan. I don't have anything more to say.


Dolan's a silver spoon-addled Daddy's boy, but I its hard to overly criticize him solely based on the amount of resources he pumps into the on-court product. Thats the difference between him and the Donald Sterlings of the world. He responded to Layden's mismanagement and put a guy who in all intents and purposes should not have flopped this bad. If Walsh works out like he should, then I dont expect to hear much about Dolan.

I do hope you stick by that statement that you have nothing more to say tho. On any topic.
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4/22/2008  7:05 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by fishmike:

George was one of the worst owners in sports. He became great when he took a step back and trusted his baseball people. Dave Winfield was a good guy, and a good player for the Yanks. He played his ass off everynight. This was not a Jerome James. What George did to him was sick.. really like a crazy person.

Why is Dolan terrible again? Because he is overly loyal to inept basketball people? Someone remind me again why Dolan is worst owner..

Pitiful that you would even defend a guy like Dolan. I don't have anything more to say.


Dolan's a silver spoon-addled Daddy's boy, but I its hard to overly criticize him solely based on the amount of resources he pumps into the on-court product. Thats the difference between him and the Donald Sterlings of the world. He responded to Layden's mismanagement and put a guy who in all intents and purposes should not have flopped this bad. If Walsh works out like he should, then I dont expect to hear much about Dolan.

I do hope you stick by that statement that you have nothing more to say tho. On any topic.

Always nice to see you drop in, insult, and leave. See you in another month.

James Dolan is a terrible owner. He is concerned more with the media than winning and would laugh after blow outs with Thomas earlier in the year. The guy doesn't have that winning mentality. He may put money into the team but hiring the right people and firing them when they suck is what makes a good owner. James Dolan has been hiring the wrong people and taking his sweet time firing them because of his personal feelings and this is why we are where are today. It's easy to use a guy like Stirling to compare Dolan to but when it comes to the Knicks, the Garden and everything else, Dolan is a much bigger failure. A guy with those resources and he has thrown the franchise into the dumps with his terrible mismanagement and apathy.
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4/22/2008  7:17 PM
Hank Steinbrenner is a spoiled, impetuous moron.

It's good to know that Cashman isn't a puppet.
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4/22/2008  11:17 PM
Posted by fishmike:

George was one of the worst owners in sports. He became great when he took a step back and trusted his baseball people. Dave Winfield was a good guy, and a good player for the Yanks. He played his ass off everynight. This was not a Jerome James. What George did to him was sick.. really like a crazy person.

Why is Dolan terrible again? Because he is overly loyal to inept basketball people? Someone remind me again why Dolan is worst owner..

i don't know how any Yankee fan could call him 1 of the worst owners in sports... the guy played a huge role in reviving the languishing Yankees franchise back to championship status after he took over the team from their CBS corporate owners & proceeded to build it into the most valuable franchise in sports history... this was when he was actively participating in the daily running of his franchise... the team he helped to build won back to back championships in '77 & '78 & made it to 2 other WS in '76 & '81... yes, he played a huge role in making those days the Bronx Zoo & drove Billy Martin crazy, but u can't argue w/the results & it was he who brought guys like Billy in to manage the team to begin with along w/Gabe Paul who was the architect behind the resurrection in the mid-late 70's, not to mention opening up his checkbook to sign big name FA's like Catfish Hunter & personally recruiting Reggie Jackson.

George was already an accomplished owner who'd won multiple championships before the whole Howie Spira fiasco forced him to relinquish control over to his baseball people... to his credit, he didn't force changes in the team that Stick Michael built & it was allowed to grow & develop into the dynasty it eventually became... later on, he himself helped to put together championship winning franchises in '99 & '00 by going out & landing us Roger Clemens, who was huge in both WS vs. the Braves & Mets, & should've helped to win another in '01 (much like he did in the '70s when he landed Reggie).

The guy certainly wasn't without his faults, but I don't get all the people who bash George like he's the anti-Christ & then celebrate the teams he helped to build & paid for... i'm not trying to get on anyone's case here, just making a general statement. He's probably 1 of the most charitable owners in all of sports too, but you never hear about that side of him because the media chooses to focus on his dictatorial management style... Personally I have tremendous respect for & love the guy & it'll be a sad, sad day in Yankee history when he's no longer with us... he made his success & deserves every accolade given to him, unlike certain spoon-fed spoiled rich brats who play in rock bands & don't have a clue how to run a successful sports franchise lurking the hallways of MSG these days.
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4/23/2008  8:24 AM
TMS.. for all the good he did he undid it twice as fast. Without his faults? The guy personally attacked his best player. Hired a PI to create smear campain. Its insane when you think about it.

Also I went to a lot of games in the early 90s (dont ask why) and sat with 15,000 other people to watch Melido Perez and Mell Hall and Scott Sanderson managed by Stump Merrill. Where was the drive to win then?

People have a short memory of George... and my point is that he eventually 'got it' and started trusting his people. Only after they produced a great crop of talent to build around did he start to spend wisely. Before that its was throwing big money at guys like Tim Leary and Danny Tartabull.

George started to care a LOT more about winning when they started to win.

GKFv2... how many owners in the NBA care about winning? Honestly.. maybe 3-4. The rest care about making money, thats why they own teams.

Is Paul Allen a good owner or a bad owner?

The exact same things that make Dolan a terrible owner will be the same things that make him a good owner, **IF** DW can fix this. If DW spends a ton of money buying out guys, stockpiling young players and turns us into the Celtics in 3 years by spending a billion of Dolan's $$$s you all should be saying how lucky we are to have an owner like Dolan. If you dont your full of crap.

Dolan does not know BB, and he does not know how NOT to look bad because of that. Thus the bizaare media stuff. Is Dolan a bad guy? Spoiled rich kid? OK... but a bad guy? Seems to me he put his trust in the wrong people. If he puts his trust in DW and DW turns this around (see Portland for example) does that make Dolan a good guy then? I am thinking it does.. I sure hope he becomes a good guy. Would be nice to care about BB again.

Just a thought
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4/23/2008  1:05 PM
fish, the early 90s were a tough time to be a Yankee fan but it wasn't as if the team languished there for the entire decade... the team was in a transitional period with a barren farm system (yes, due largely to the fact that George insisted on going after big name older veterans like Barfield & Rhoden while trading away his best young arms like Drabek & Leiter), but after the trade was made for Paul O'Neill & guys like Jimmy Key were brought in, things began to turn for the better... i realize this mostly happened during George's banishment but to his credit he didn't mess w/the formula when he was reinstated... while George was in power his drive to succeed led the team to back to back titles & a couple other WS appearances like i previously mentioned... in the 80s the team won the most games of any team in baseball over that span, they just came up short in terms of winning championships, much like the team of this decade seems to be on track to be doing... is the Steinbrenner family not driven to succeed now whereas they were during their dynastic run?
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