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Silverfuel
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Isiah has been fired as the coach but he is still with the organization without a title. Their official position is that he has no real input but how many Knick fans believe that? You guys have had a weekend to think about it? Will he have the authority or any significant input on player moves or trades or coaching?
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4/21/2008  10:43 AM
No. I don't think he has any power with this organization. He is being punished. He will scout players and make recommendations but he has had no real power.
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4/21/2008  10:50 AM
I don't think he will have much power. I just wish the situation were handled in a way that we could be sure.

The book on Isiah in NY should have been closed.

[Edited by - blueseats on 04-21-2008 10:52 AM]
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4/21/2008  10:58 AM
Yes. The greatest power of all, within the Knicks organization, is being able to influence Idiot Dolan. There's every reason to believe that Isiah still has that ability. He's even more dangerous now that he doesn't have to face the media, he has a scapegoat in Walsh (plus the new GM and head coach) and he's always around to get into Dolan's ear.

Dolan is so behind Walsh that he completely walked out on his introductory press conference and then forced him to retain Isiah within the organization.

This situation is so ****ed. Dolan and Isiah will let their new front man clean up their mess, build up the goodwill that they **** on and take the heat off of them. Then in 3 years Isiah will be getting a contract extension and take on an even more prominent position with the team.
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4/21/2008  10:59 AM
Nope. Isiah is gone folks.

This "staying on board for input" is the nicest PR way of saying, "we're not gona embarrass him and fire him as per orders by Dolan. But he's no longer a part of the Knicks"

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4/21/2008  11:01 AM
No. Isiah is being paid to sit home and will have nothing to do with Donnie running things.
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4/21/2008  11:01 AM
Posted by islesfan:

Yes. The greatest power of all, within the Knicks organization, is being able to influence Idiot Dolan. There's every reason to believe that Isiah still has that ability. He's even more dangerous now that he doesn't have to face the media, he has a scapegoat in Walsh (plus the new GM and head coach) and he's always around to get into Dolan's ear.

Dolan is so behind Walsh that he completely walked out on his introductory press conference and then forced him to retain Isiah within the organization.

This situation is so ****ed. Dolan and Isiah will let their new front man clean up their mess, build up the goodwill that they **** on and take the heat off of them. Then in 3 years Isiah will be getting a contract extension and take on an even more prominent position with the team.


See, this is probably an exageration, but the situation left all sorts of possibilities and uncertanties open for discussion. if the situation had been handled propoerly we wouldn't be sitting around discussing what we think Isiah's role will be.
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4/21/2008  11:07 AM
Larry Brown thought that he was going to have significant input on how the Knicks were going to rebuild.

At the last minute, after hearing that Dolan was going to fly to Memphis to meet with Larry and the team, Isiah changed his plans to go on a scouting trip and flew to Memphis with Dolan instead. We all know how that worked out.
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4/21/2008  11:48 AM
Posted by islesfan:

Larry Brown thought that he was going to have significant input on how the Knicks were going to rebuild.

At the last minute, after hearing that Dolan was going to fly to Memphis to meet with Larry and the team, Isiah changed his plans to go on a scouting trip and flew to Memphis with Dolan instead. We all know how that worked out.
Larry Brown reported to Isiah Thomas.
Isiah Thomas reported to Mills and Dolan.

Now DW reports ONLY to Dolan, and has carte blanche to change MSG personel and media policies.
Isiah reports to DW.
DW has final say in all things BB player. Draft, coaches, GM, trades, development... everything.

One can speculate about personal relationships till the cows come home but the reporting structure is out there for everyone to see. Also Isiah may = Dolan's buddy. Sure.. very possible. DW = Stern's buddy and has clout, respect and influence throughout the league at every level.

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4/21/2008  11:58 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by islesfan:

Larry Brown thought that he was going to have significant input on how the Knicks were going to rebuild.

At the last minute, after hearing that Dolan was going to fly to Memphis to meet with Larry and the team, Isiah changed his plans to go on a scouting trip and flew to Memphis with Dolan instead. We all know how that worked out.
Larry Brown reported to Isiah Thomas.
Isiah Thomas reported to Mills and Dolan.

Now DW reports ONLY to Dolan, and has carte blanche to change MSG personel and media policies.
Isiah reports to DW.
DW has final say in all things BB player. Draft, coaches, GM, trades, development... everything.

One can speculate about personal relationships till the cows come home but the reporting structure is out there for everyone to see. Also Isiah may = Dolan's buddy. Sure.. very possible. DW = Stern's buddy and has clout, respect and influence throughout the league at every level.

Since when does reporting structure matter in Dolan's playground? It's Idiot Dolan and then there's everybody else. Usually, the closest to Dolan wins and survives to screw up another day. If you're getting paid by the Knicks, it's better to be Dolan's buddy than David Stern's.

The media policy really changed with the 5pm Friday conference call to announce Isiah's reassignment. Typical gutless and classless move by MSG.
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4/21/2008  12:16 PM


Donnie is in charge.....
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4/21/2008  12:21 PM
Posted by EnySpree:



Donnie is in charge.....

Yeah, so is Fidel Castro's brother.
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4/21/2008  12:31 PM
I personally don't think he will have say in the personnel decisions, but I also do not think it is wise on Donnie's part to keep the guy around. I just don't trust the man
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4/21/2008  1:27 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

I personally don't think he will have say in the personnel decisions, but I also do not think it is wise on Donnie's part to keep the guy around. I just don't trust the man

I don't think that Isiah will have any direct say in personnel decisions either but he will certainly be critiquing every personnel decision made by Walsh directly in Dolan's ear.

Who in their right mind would trust Isiah to be behind the scenes? He's a ****roach, he prefers to be out of the spotlight. He does his most damage when there are plenty of scapegoats around him.
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4/21/2008  1:28 PM
fyi isles, dickroach doesn't get starred out...
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4/21/2008  1:47 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

I personally don't think he will have say in the personnel decisions, but I also do not think it is wise on Donnie's part to keep the guy around. I just don't trust the man

Lets say in his 'advisery role' Isiah begins to mutter behind DW's back, or have a bad influence on players, leaks info, whatever. DW will want him gone and will fire him. At that point one of two things happens. Isiah is fired, end of story. Or DW quits and take his choice of about 10 jobs in the NBA. Maybe he goes and works for Stern. Dont be suprised if Stern stepped in before that happened and somehow intervened himself. He has an active interest in the team with the highest value and largest media market winning more games.

I just dont see a scenario where Isiah somehow impacts DW's ability to execute whatever plan he has in store. Does anyone think DW will let that happen?
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4/21/2008  1:49 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by Bippity10:

I personally don't think he will have say in the personnel decisions, but I also do not think it is wise on Donnie's part to keep the guy around. I just don't trust the man

Lets say in his 'advisery role' Isiah begins to mutter behind DW's back, or have a bad influence on players, leaks info, whatever. DW will want him gone and will fire him. At that point one of two things happens. Isiah is fired, end of story. Or DW quits and take his choice of about 10 jobs in the NBA. Maybe he goes and works for Stern. Dont be suprised if Stern stepped in before that happened and somehow intervened himself. He has an active interest in the team with the highest value and largest media market winning more games.

I just dont see a scenario where Isiah somehow impacts DW's ability to execute whatever plan he has in store. Does anyone think DW will let that happen?

Exactly. I agree, Fish.
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4/21/2008  1:57 PM
Isiah only reports to Dolan and has an advisory job. This is a function he can complete via telecommute. He can go to Detroit or Chicago, stay there, then do his "job." Until I read an article in the Post or Daily News where the reporters are bitching about Isiah's presence at MSG facilities, I won't believe he has any power whatsoever. I honestly think Isiah is getting the Penny Hardaway treatment.
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4/21/2008  1:58 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by Bippity10:

I personally don't think he will have say in the personnel decisions, but I also do not think it is wise on Donnie's part to keep the guy around. I just don't trust the man

Lets say in his 'advisery role' Isiah begins to mutter behind DW's back, or have a bad influence on players, leaks info, whatever. DW will want him gone and will fire him. At that point one of two things happens. Isiah is fired, end of story. Or DW quits and take his choice of about 10 jobs in the NBA. Maybe he goes and works for Stern. Dont be suprised if Stern stepped in before that happened and somehow intervened himself. He has an active interest in the team with the highest value and largest media market winning more games.

I just dont see a scenario where Isiah somehow impacts DW's ability to execute whatever plan he has in store. Does anyone think DW will let that happen?

In that very plausible scenario, of the two things that you say would happen, the latter is the most likely. Doesn't that worry you and everybody else?

Dolan has already prevented Walsh from firing Isiah, why do you think that couldn't happen again?

When it comes down to it, Stern can't do ****. Stern works for Dolan and the rest of the owners. No owner is going to stand for Stern meddling in team's internal matters to that great of an extent. If he could, changes would have already been made in numerous other franchises.
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Isiah only reports to Dolan and has an advisory job. This is a function he can complete via telecommute. He can go to Detroit or Chicago, stay there, then do his "job." Until I read an article in the Post or Daily News where the reporters are bitching about Isiah's presence at MSG facilities, I won't believe he has any power whatsoever. I honestly think Isiah is getting the Penny Hardaway treatment.

As long as Isiah has access to Dolan's ear, which he can do from Chicago, Detroit or anywhere else, he's a threat to this franchise. I don't see him going anywhere near the media because it's not in his best interests. Snakes like to hide in the grass.
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4/21/2008  2:27 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by SupremeCommander:

Isiah only reports to Dolan and has an advisory job. This is a function he can complete via telecommute. He can go to Detroit or Chicago, stay there, then do his "job." Until I read an article in the Post or Daily News where the reporters are bitching about Isiah's presence at MSG facilities, I won't believe he has any power whatsoever. I honestly think Isiah is getting the Penny Hardaway treatment.

As long as Isiah has access to Dolan's ear, which he can do from Chicago, Detroit or anywhere else, he's a threat to this franchise. I don't see him going anywhere near the media because it's not in his best interests. Snakes like to hide in the grass.

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