Posted by subzero0:

Who cares if Mark Jackson screws up? We're rebuilding right? No one cares what happens over the next couple of years as long as we get under the cap. They could hire barnum and bailey for all I care.

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Posted by subzero0:

Who cares if Mark Jackson screws up? We're rebuilding right? No one cares what happens over the next couple of years as long as we get under the cap. They could hire barnum and bailey for all I care.

Exactly. Bubbles the chimp could run the Knicks for the next 2 seasons until we get under the cap for all I care. People are talking like we need some God like coach in here to come in and miraculously turn this present group of losers into winners. HELLO? The entire team stinks and needs to be completely torn down and rebuilt. When you get that through your head, you will realize it just doesn't matter who the coach is as long as we draft well the next 2 years and, Donnie finds a Mason or a Starks off the scrap heap while ridding ourselves of this entire stinking roster.

This is the fatal flaw in most people's thinking. You do it right on the first attempt. Because every year wasted takes a toll on the next year. Getting under the cap shouldn't play a role in who the coach should be. Regardless of who the players are you want max effort and max coaching. You can't just say for the next two years anyone can coach the team until the team gets under the cap.

If that is the case then the Knicks should have kept Isiah.



[Edited by - Vmart on 04-20-2008 12:51 AM]

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Posted by Bippity10:

the next coach should be under no pressure to bring wins to NY. Their only job is to help change the culture and to hopefully improve over the 3 years. It's okay to have even a stopgap coach for the next few years as long as that coach participates in a culture change. That's the way LB should have been viewed as well, but instead everyone involved wanted him to be a savior. I assume Donny Walsh will not be thinking that way

While i definitley endorse Mark for coach, from his perspective, why we he want to come here and take all the bullets while this mess is sorted out for 2-4 years knowing he has no shot at winning? Sure he could get some on the job training, but he has to know, aside from this years draft pick, most of the players he will work closely with will probably not survive long enough for him to see them blossom.

This is a lot different than McMillian taking over the Blazers who had some young players already in tact, (Webster, Roy was just drafted, etc) and he could mold them and watch them grow. Mark will have none of that unless you believe tht Chandler will develop into somehting special. Why not wait in the wings, let Herb take the bullet, then when the foundation starts to come together in a couple of years, then you pounce on the position?

It's very hard to land a head coaching job in this league. When an opportunity arises you take it. Look at Herb, there's no guarantee he'll ever get more than an interim opportunity.

This is actually a great opportunity for Mark. Expectations are low here. You wouldn't hire a rookie coach if you want to raise a team's win total from 40 to 50, but you do to raise wins from 23 to 33.

Plus, he has the respect of Walsh who will do his best to set him up to succeed, unlike some Presidents of Operations we have known.

Posted by Uptown:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by Uptown:

Posted by Bippity10:

the next coach should be under no pressure to bring wins to NY. Their only job is to help change the culture and to hopefully improve over the 3 years. It's okay to have even a stopgap coach for the next few years as long as that coach participates in a culture change. That's the way LB should have been viewed as well, but instead everyone involved wanted him to be a savior. I assume Donny Walsh will not be thinking that way

While i definitley endorse Mark for coach, from his perspective, why we he want to come here and take all the bullets while this mess is sorted out for 2-4 years knowing he has no shot at winning? Sure he could get some on the job training, but he has to know, aside from this years draft pick, most of the players he will work closely with will probably not survive long enough for him to see them blossom.

This is a lot different than McMillian taking over the Blazers who had some young players already in tact, (Webster, Roy was just drafted, etc) and he could mold them and watch them grow. Mark will have none of that unless you believe tht Chandler will develop into somehting special. Why not wait in the wings, let Herb take the bullet, then when the foundation starts to come together in a couple of years, then you pounce on the position?

It's very hard to land a head coaching job in this league. When an opportunity arises you take it. Look at Herb, there's no guarantee he'll ever get more than an interim opportunity.

This is actually a great opportunity for Mark. Expectations are low here. You wouldn't hire a rookie coach if you want to raise a team's win total from 40 to 50, but you do to raise wins from 23 to 33.

Plus, he has the respect of Walsh who will do his best to set him up to succeed, unlike some Presidents of Operations we have known.

Agreed. I thought about this as I was typing. Just thinking out loud in terms of legacy, and forward thinking. Marks not going to get much done in his first couple of years and probably wont be able to set his own blueprint/vision until he sees the makings of an actaul roster which can take 2-3 years. Right now, the Knicks roster looks like a muddle of FA's and odd parts. Looks nothing like an actual team.

But yes, I agree, when a job comes along, you do have to take it.

And I think the next coach that comes here really doesn't have a lot to lose.

Posted by Vmart:

Only reason the Knicks will hire Mark Jackson is not so much he knows what he is doing but more so because he will come cheap. With almost over $60 million spent on Walsh, Brown and Isiah the Knicks are gonna go the cheap route and hire Mark Jackson and pay him maybe 1.2 million per year. JVG and Carisle will command atleast $3.5 million per year if not more.

Mark Jackson my friends is a huge mistake waiting to happen.

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Posted by subzero0:

Who cares if Mark Jackson screws up? We're rebuilding right? No one cares what happens over the next couple of years as long as we get under the cap. They could hire barnum and bailey for all I care.

Exactly. Bubbles the chimp could run the Knicks for the next 2 seasons until we get under the cap for all I care. People are talking like we need some God like coach in here to come in and miraculously turn this present group of losers into winners. HELLO? The entire team stinks and needs to be completely torn down and rebuilt. When you get that through your head, you will realize it just doesn't matter who the coach is as long as we draft well the next 2 years and, Donnie finds a Mason or a Starks off the scrap heap while ridding ourselves of this entire stinking roster.

This is the fatal flaw in most people's thinking. You do it right on the first attempt. Because every year wasted takes a toll on the next year. Getting under the cap shouldn't play a role in who the coach should be. Regardless of who the players are you want max effort and max coaching. You can't just say for the next two years anyone can coach the team until the team gets under the cap.

If that is the case then the Knicks should have kept Isiah.



[Edited by - Vmart on 04-20-2008 12:51 AM]

There is no flaw because whoever we hire, we're going to also have assistant coaches who know how to teach NBA basketball. You're telling me Mark Jackson doesn't know what it takes to win in the NBA? Is he not going to work hard? Thats all we really need right now, someone to show these players how much hard work is necessary to succeed in the NBA.

The goal is to suck real bad next season so we can get another high lottery choice. The goal should not be to bring in a Pat Riley type coach who will squeak out an extra five or six wins. That does us no good in the long run. The NBA is a players league and you need SUPERSTARS or a team full of GREAT players in order to win championships. If Mark Jackson sucks, then fire him after we land another top 5 pick in next years draft.

Mark Jackson never won anything. Totally inexperienced. And if you expect this team to suck real bad next year, to go for another high draft pick, don't hold your breath. I'll tell you folks something right now. We ain't getting any better, but we aren't going to be this bad again, so look forward to mediocracy for the next several years.

By that time, I"m hoping the cap would've been fixed, but I'm not gonna hold my breath, not until I see it with my own two eyes.