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BRIGGS
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4/19/2008  2:22 AM
I think Miami will do this

Eddy Curry for Mark Blount[and one minimum ending contract] and a 2012 lottery protected # 1 pick

What this will enable the Knicks to do


Wipes out an additional 10.5mm in 2010 and gives us an additional asset in that time range in case of sign and trade.

Opens up cap room to sign a David Lee to a long term contract with out having repercussions in 2010[although I would only pay him a frontloaded 45mm at a maximum] if he wants more than that---trade him for a draft pick or other strategic player dumps.

Ending contracts are tough to get but taking on some salary is something that can be done
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4/19/2008  2:32 AM
I don't want to sign David Lee to any ridiculous contract he seeks. I'd rather deal him in the summer.

As for Curry, last I remember Isiah Thomas wasn't working for the Heat. They aren't giving you anything more than 2nd rounder for fat boy. They are doing us the favor by taking his deal.
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4/19/2008  3:07 AM
Actually I really think it is a good deal for Miami! Curry does one thing really well and that is score baskets down low. Now Marion and Beasley (if they do pick him) would compensat the lack of rebounding very well and you do have a low post scoring option to help out DWade.
Picking up the contract and the pick is not overpaying I think!

Now for the Knicks it would actually mean leaving the past behind and looking for a rebuild!
What have guys like Curry, Zach and Marbs fat Turd (sorry Marv) brought this franchise other than a lot of pain?!? Get rid of the past!!! Tear the roster down!!!
Rebuild with youth and look for 2010 FAs!!!
Now how much you wanna pay Lee is another topic of debate but I do think he will be a very serviceable PF next to a star player like LeBron... got to be some reasonable contract though!!!
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4/19/2008  7:35 AM
that would be a great deal if you could get it.

I don't think Curry is hopeless or overpaid - if he can get back to his numbers/form of last year.

Crawford is also very tradeable & should be moved. Who cares if we don't have anyone to be a PG - its not like we are winning with crawford.
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4/19/2008  8:26 AM
Good trade scenario Briggs. This is fun again!
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4/19/2008  9:07 AM
after all what riley went through with antoine walker, no way does he let this meatball roll to miami.
try another trade
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4/19/2008  9:29 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

I think Miami will do this

Eddy Curry for Mark Blount[and one minimum ending contract] and a 2012 lottery protected # 1 pick

What this will enable the Knicks to do


Wipes out an additional 10.5mm in 2010 and gives us an additional asset in that time range in case of sign and trade.

Opens up cap room to sign a David Lee to a long term contract with out having repercussions in 2010[although I would only pay him a frontloaded 45mm at a maximum] if he wants more than that---trade him for a draft pick or other strategic player dumps.

Ending contracts are tough to get but taking on some salary is something that can be done

I kinda like the idea of giving cur to miami. They will have a good shot at #1, so they will improve off the bat. Plus they already have Wade.

Why not just trade cur to miami for two future draft picks? By the time we start getting into flex salary, it will be a little easier to work it in to then go for possibly LeBron.
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4/19/2008  11:50 AM
As much as Curry hqas let us down they should just keep the fat boy and give him Patrick Ewing to work with. I think Curry has been deprieved of a big man to teach him the ropes of the game. The Knicks should think about trading Randolph for a shot blocking power forward someone who doesn't need to score I like Kenyon Martin as Zach's contract and Kmarts contract are basically a wash. Martin adds the tooughness that has been missing on the Knicks since basically the Oakley days he is a good shot blocker and his game actually compliments Curry's game better than Zach's.

As for Lee he would be a good sixth man off the bench to back up Martin and possibly some Center. If not trade Lee and Crawford for some first round picks this year or future. I would like to draft a PG if the Knick don't land Beasley. Maybe trade Lee for a late to mid first round pick and take Mario Chalmers if the Knicks get Beasley by chance. Move Chandler over to shooting guard.

Basically the team next year will only be returning Curry.

starting Lineup:
Beasley sf
Martin pf (Martin would provide toughness and vet leadership)
Curry c
Chandler sg
Chalemers pg (I think he might be the best pg going in the draft that gets most performance out of his team. High I.Q. team concept pg)

I'm totally against Mark Jackson as coach for the Knicks I don't think he has done the time to merit being head coach. Atleast do some assitant work for a couple of years. My choice for caoch are Carisle and JVG, I wasn't a big fan of JVG towards the end as his offense tends to be stale but his preaching of defense makes up for the lack of offense.
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4/19/2008  12:14 PM
Posted by Vmart:

As much as Curry hqas let us down they should just keep the fat boy and give him Patrick Ewing to work with. I think Curry has been deprieved of a big man to teach him the ropes of the game. The Knicks should think about trading Randolph for a shot blocking power forward someone who doesn't need to score I like Kenyon Martin as Zach's contract and Kmarts contract are basically a wash. Martin adds the tooughness that has been missing on the Knicks since basically the Oakley days he is a good shot blocker and his game actually compliments Curry's game better than Zach's.

As for Lee he would be a good sixth man off the bench to back up Martin and possibly some Center. If not trade Lee and Crawford for some first round picks this year or future. I would like to draft a PG if the Knick don't land Beasley. Maybe trade Lee for a late to mid first round pick and take Mario Chalmers if the Knicks get Beasley by chance. Move Chandler over to shooting guard.

Basically the team next year will only be returning Curry.

starting Lineup:
Beasley sf
Martin pf (Martin would provide toughness and vet leadership)
Curry c
Chandler sg
Chalemers pg (I think he might be the best pg going in the draft that gets most performance out of his team. High I.Q. team concept pg)

I'm totally against Mark Jackson as coach for the Knicks I don't think he has done the time to merit being head coach. Atleast do some assitant work for a couple of years. My choice for caoch are Carisle and JVG, I wasn't a big fan of JVG towards the end as his offense tends to be stale but his preaching of defense makes up for the lack of offense.

Well I like your aspect of Martin vs. Zach if we have to keep Curry. Actually Id like to get rid of both but due to their contracts I guess we are min. stuck with Zach...

Other than that... well the Knicks will not get Beasley, Id prefer Collison or DJ Augustin if you wanna go mid-first round PG... also I dont like Chandler as our SG (id prefer to pick up Mayo who in my opinion will be good playing SG in the NBA) ...
So if possible Id love to get rid of Curry, Zach, Q and let run out Marbs contract; nobody will pick up JJ1/2... get back expiring contracts lates for 2010 and get picks whenever possible (will be difficult due to our horrible players/deals - so thats a reason why I like Briggs trade idea)... package in Craw, Balk or if necessary Nate in order to get rid of them...
Rebuild through draft and hope for LeBron... let the young guys play and develope... live with the fact that we will suck another two to three seasons with some real hope for a brighter future!!!

Id also love to pick up one of the three 2nd rounders of the Blazers and pick up a guy like Joey Dorsey or Taj Gibbson if possible...

[Edited by - dodger78 on 04-19-2008 12:19 PM]
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4/19/2008  12:41 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

I don't want to sign David Lee to any ridiculous contract he seeks. I'd rather deal him in the summer.

As for Curry, last I remember Isiah Thomas wasn't working for the Heat. They aren't giving you anything more than 2nd rounder for fat boy. They are doing us the favor by taking his deal.


sometimes anger can be blinding.. as much as we may not like curry. to think he is worth just a second rounder is a little off.. and really not reasonable.....
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4/19/2008  12:48 PM
Posted by Vmart:

As much as Curry hqas let us down they should just keep the fat boy and give him Patrick Ewing to work with. I think Curry has been deprieved of a big man to teach him the ropes of the game. The Knicks should think about trading Randolph for a shot blocking power forward someone who doesn't need to score I like Kenyon Martin as Zach's contract and Kmarts contract are basically a wash. Martin adds the tooughness that has been missing on the Knicks since basically the Oakley days he is a good shot blocker and his game actually compliments Curry's game better than Zach's.

As for Lee he would be a good sixth man off the bench to back up Martin and possibly some Center. If not trade Lee and Crawford for some first round picks this year or future. I would like to draft a PG if the Knick don't land Beasley. Maybe trade Lee for a late to mid first round pick and take Mario Chalmers if the Knicks get Beasley by chance. Move Chandler over to shooting guard.

Basically the team next year will only be returning Curry.

starting Lineup:
Beasley sf
Martin pf (Martin would provide toughness and vet leadership)
Curry c
Chandler sg
Chalemers pg (I think he might be the best pg going in the draft that gets most performance out of his team. High I.Q. team concept pg)

I'm totally against Mark Jackson as coach for the Knicks I don't think he has done the time to merit being head coach. Atleast do some assitant work for a couple of years. My choice for caoch are Carisle and JVG, I wasn't a big fan of JVG towards the end as his offense tends to be stale but his preaching of defense makes up for the lack of offense.

If the plan really is to go for cap space in 2010 when Lebron is available--the whole gig is getting rid of contracts that penetrate that year--especially the way Curry's does--over 10mm+. I know Mark Blount is nothing special--but that is irrelevant--his contract expires one year before Curry's--Miami wants a real C and I think Curry in their system can be good especially with a defensive minded PF next to him. If cap space truly is the goal--we must start now to try and open it up. As far as the pick--Curry has already proven a 20-7 lead the league in FG% and hes 25-26 with a manageable contract--especially if you get rid of Blount in the process--I think that is worth a playoff protected draft pick.

On top of it--this would allow us [if we choose] to sign Lee to a reasonable frontloaded contract --IF that was the way they wanted to go. If the goal is cap space they cannot freely hand Lee a cotract. I still think it's best NOT to sign him and trade him for anther high pick this year--just because IF you are able to get rid of enough players--you COULD conceivably bring in two superstars in 2010 to go along with several young drafted players who would have 2and 3 years experience by that time. On the other hand if we cant get real value for Lee-you sign him and keep him--he's a fluid contract that if e needed to trade down the road--we coul. BUT not more than 45mm over 6

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 04-19-2008 12:53 PM]
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4/19/2008  12:56 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Vmart:

As much as Curry hqas let us down they should just keep the fat boy and give him Patrick Ewing to work with. I think Curry has been deprieved of a big man to teach him the ropes of the game. The Knicks should think about trading Randolph for a shot blocking power forward someone who doesn't need to score I like Kenyon Martin as Zach's contract and Kmarts contract are basically a wash. Martin adds the tooughness that has been missing on the Knicks since basically the Oakley days he is a good shot blocker and his game actually compliments Curry's game better than Zach's.

As for Lee he would be a good sixth man off the bench to back up Martin and possibly some Center. If not trade Lee and Crawford for some first round picks this year or future. I would like to draft a PG if the Knick don't land Beasley. Maybe trade Lee for a late to mid first round pick and take Mario Chalmers if the Knicks get Beasley by chance. Move Chandler over to shooting guard.

Basically the team next year will only be returning Curry.

starting Lineup:
Beasley sf
Martin pf (Martin would provide toughness and vet leadership)
Curry c
Chandler sg
Chalemers pg (I think he might be the best pg going in the draft that gets most performance out of his team. High I.Q. team concept pg)

I'm totally against Mark Jackson as coach for the Knicks I don't think he has done the time to merit being head coach. Atleast do some assitant work for a couple of years. My choice for caoch are Carisle and JVG, I wasn't a big fan of JVG towards the end as his offense tends to be stale but his preaching of defense makes up for the lack of offense.

If the plan really is to go for cap space in 2010 when Lebron is available--the whole gig is getting rid of contracts that penetrate that year--especially the way Curry's does--over 10mm+. I know Mark Blount is nothing special--but that is irrelevant--his contract expires one year before Curry's--Miami wants a real C and I think Curry in their system can be good especially with a defensive minded PF next to him. If cap space truly is the goal--we must start now to try and open it up. As far as the pick--Curry has already proven a 20-7 lead the league in FG% and hes 25-26 with a manageable contract--especially if you get rid of Blount in the process--I think that is worth a playoff protected draft pick.

On top of it--this would allow us [if we choose] to sign Lee to a reasonable frontloaded contract --IF that was the way they wanted to go. If the goal is cap space they cannot freely hand Lee a cotract. I still think it's best NOT to sign him and trade him for anther high pick this year--just because IF you are able to get rid of enough players--you COULD conceivably bring in two superstars in 2010 to go along with several young drafted players who would have 2and 3 years experience by that time. On the other hand if we cant get real value for Lee-you sign him and keep him--he's a fluid contract that if e needed to trade down the road--we coul. BUT not more than 45mm over 6

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 04-19-2008 12:53 PM]

See BRIGGS I really think that is the part some people are not getting. If you try to accomplish the goal to get under the cap in order to get LeBron in 2010 it is not about the quality of the players we get back in the deals its ONLY about their contract lenght and an occasional pick we might get, because we would NOT want to resign those players to another contract anyway!!!
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4/19/2008  12:59 PM
Having cap space means diddlysquat remember when JORDAN was a free agent we had the cap space then, we all know how that turned out. For years the Knicks have went away from developing their young players and always try to trade for the star player which we always pick the wrong one that never pans out, gets injured, is injured or turns to crap when they get here. Get the right coach to whip these bastards we have on the team in shape then go from there. Zach and Marbury I believe are both lost causes in the concept of team play so they must be shown the door. At least Curry will defer his play for the good of the team to a fault, we need that mofo to be aggressive at all times.
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4/19/2008  2:10 PM
folks also need to get real with Zach - he is untradeable unless you are taking back worse garbage.

And we're not getting lebron.

We need to try to build a five year plan- regardless of what walsh says.
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4/19/2008  3:30 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Vmart:

As much as Curry hqas let us down they should just keep the fat boy and give him Patrick Ewing to work with. I think Curry has been deprieved of a big man to teach him the ropes of the game. The Knicks should think about trading Randolph for a shot blocking power forward someone who doesn't need to score I like Kenyon Martin as Zach's contract and Kmarts contract are basically a wash. Martin adds the tooughness that has been missing on the Knicks since basically the Oakley days he is a good shot blocker and his game actually compliments Curry's game better than Zach's.

As for Lee he would be a good sixth man off the bench to back up Martin and possibly some Center. If not trade Lee and Crawford for some first round picks this year or future. I would like to draft a PG if the Knick don't land Beasley. Maybe trade Lee for a late to mid first round pick and take Mario Chalmers if the Knicks get Beasley by chance. Move Chandler over to shooting guard.

Basically the team next year will only be returning Curry.

starting Lineup:
Beasley sf
Martin pf (Martin would provide toughness and vet leadership)
Curry c
Chandler sg
Chalemers pg (I think he might be the best pg going in the draft that gets most performance out of his team. High I.Q. team concept pg)

I'm totally against Mark Jackson as coach for the Knicks I don't think he has done the time to merit being head coach. Atleast do some assitant work for a couple of years. My choice for caoch are Carisle and JVG, I wasn't a big fan of JVG towards the end as his offense tends to be stale but his preaching of defense makes up for the lack of offense.

If the plan really is to go for cap space in 2010 when Lebron is available--the whole gig is getting rid of contracts that penetrate that year--especially the way Curry's does--over 10mm+. I know Mark Blount is nothing special--but that is irrelevant--his contract expires one year before Curry's--Miami wants a real C and I think Curry in their system can be good especially with a defensive minded PF next to him. If cap space truly is the goal--we must start now to try and open it up. As far as the pick--Curry has already proven a 20-7 lead the league in FG% and hes 25-26 with a manageable contract--especially if you get rid of Blount in the process--I think that is worth a playoff protected draft pick.

On top of it--this would allow us [if we choose] to sign Lee to a reasonable frontloaded contract --IF that was the way they wanted to go. If the goal is cap space they cannot freely hand Lee a cotract. I still think it's best NOT to sign him and trade him for anther high pick this year--just because IF you are able to get rid of enough players--you COULD conceivably bring in two superstars in 2010 to go along with several young drafted players who would have 2and 3 years experience by that time. On the other hand if we cant get real value for Lee-you sign him and keep him--he's a fluid contract that if e needed to trade down the road--we coul. BUT not more than 45mm over 6

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 04-19-2008 12:53 PM]

You can't rely on free agent to come its a crap shoot with free agents. You want to have cap flexibility but there is no way this team is getting LeBron. First you would have to have ridiculous cap space just to sign him in 2010. I'm talking having close to 30-35 million in cap space just to sign LeBron. At that point it doesn't become feesible to sign LeBron. The Knicks are better off concentrating on the draft and building a solid team. The Knicks need badly for lady luck to shine down on them. They need a superstar and they need this draft to bring them the superstar.
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4/19/2008  3:42 PM
We are NOT getting a superstar out of this draft if we dont pick either 1 or 2. Serviceable players yes but no superstars.
FA is a crapshot? Sure but NY is a huge market and there are some very convincing arguments to get a guy like LeBron to the Knicks if they have the cap space.
Of course there is a chance to get under the cap enough until 2010... but you have to live with a "cheap" team of rookie-contract players and guys whose contracts run until 2010. The contracts that have to be moved would be Curry, Zach and Craw.
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4/19/2008  4:00 PM
Thats an excellent trade for both teams.
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4/19/2008  5:04 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

I think Miami will do this

Eddy Curry for Mark Blount[and one minimum ending contract] and a 2012 lottery protected # 1 pick

What this will enable the Knicks to do


Wipes out an additional 10.5mm in 2010 and gives us an additional asset in that time range in case of sign and trade.

Opens up cap room to sign a David Lee to a long term contract with out having repercussions in 2010[although I would only pay him a frontloaded 45mm at a maximum] if he wants more than that---trade him for a draft pick or other strategic player dumps.

Ending contracts are tough to get but taking on some salary is something that can be done

If Riles thought antione walker was fat and out of shape, curry will have to go back to the diet pills just to cope with the heat workouts.

And we all know what that means (heart palpitations)

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4/19/2008  6:58 PM
No way in hell that Miami takes this deal. I think Curry straight up for Blount is a win, just to shed the salary. Quite frankly, I'm not convinced Miami would do that trade either, though. As said earlier, our best deal for Curry might be Curry for an early second rounder. His value around the league is diminished.
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4/19/2008  8:37 PM
But you said he was a 24/8 player who just needed the right PG, Briggs! Now you want to trade him for Mark Blount and a late 1st rounder???
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