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CrushAlot
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4/8/2008  10:51 PM
This is a serious post because I am not sure what is going on. Are the current players trying to impress Donnie Walsh? Is Isiah trying to show that he can coach? It appears that the team is not practicing but they are now experiencing alot of success on the court when the only thing their success can do is harm the future of the franchise.
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4/8/2008  10:52 PM
There's no point in caring anymore. 5 or 6 or 7, what's the difference? That's what we're getting at this point.
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4/8/2008  10:56 PM
becuase donnie was hired to early
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4/8/2008  11:00 PM
Its cause Isiah is not Pat Riley who knows exactly what he wants, how to go about getting it and how to have his team follow his plan. Isiah told the team to go for 3rd best position in the draft i think they'd be doing it. But it also would't surprice me if they were trying to impess so i don't know 100% for sure why we are winning, my guess is cause Zeke sucks
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4/8/2008  11:16 PM
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4/8/2008  11:23 PM
Its not Chandler's fault, he had a great game and that rocks. but cause of Isiah he was forced to have this game at this point of the season.
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4/9/2008  8:36 AM
maybe Isiah is doing this out of spite?
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4/9/2008  9:45 AM
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4/9/2008  10:04 AM
(1) the other teams' playoff spots are locked in so these games don't matter;
(2) maybe he wants to beat the old weasel's record and not lose 60.

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4/9/2008  11:01 AM
Someone mentioned that they think Isiah wants to get a better record than Larry Brown. That makes a LOT of sense. Unfortunately, Isiah is putting his own agenda ahead of the team, as always.
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4/9/2008  1:29 PM
Posted by franco12:

maybe Isiah is doing this out of spite?


This would unfortunately suggest that this team had the power to be a 50 win club - yet - Isiah was "losing" all season long (for some random reason) - and only now has felt it's time to "turn them loose" and "let them win games".

In that, I don't buy it for a second that Isiah, let alone this roster full of dummies, has it in them to decide when they win or lose games.

Also, to get all upset over 2 wins this week is pointless as they have won 19 other games spanning the season. So what are we to do? Bring up a November box score, trash the players that had a good game in a particular win?


This is all pointless being upset over wins or losses at this point. They're going to do what they're going to do. They were never tanking - Isiah merely started playing some kids starting with the first Hornets game not long ago - and guess what? Some of our kids aren't all that worse than our "franchise vets" so it's no stretch of the imagination that they'd win some games here or there.

I just don't see the hub-bub - especially since the lotto is just that a lotto and who knows where we'd land? Who knows if who we pick at a certain spot will be that special player or not?

We don't. There's so many variables involved here that I just can't understand why people are not only upset or questioning wins - but - DESTROYING our team when they do and TRASHING players that played well in said games.


They're going do what they're going do - they will place where they place - the lotto will do what its going to do - and we'll select a player and hope he's a good one.

Praying for loses doesn't influence anything the team does.
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4/9/2008  4:01 PM
Losing helps your status in the lottery. There is a difference with 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th. Big difference. You get more opportunities to finish in the top 3. Unfortunately now it's all over. A lottery is a lottery but would you rather pick numbers while blindfolded or pick numbers you believe will be the winning numbers? I'd like to be assured of having a good draft pick. If we had 4th, the worst we would be is 7th. Now that we have 6th, the worst we can go is 9th. But of course, it was all worth it to get those extra wins and finish out the season "strong."
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4/9/2008  4:17 PM
The real difference is between pick 5 and 6. Pick 5 has like a 10.5% chance of moving up and pick 6 has like 4-5% chance. It think we are winning b/c a) the games don't matter so the other teams are just going through motions or playing young guys; 2) Wilson Chandler is our most competent SF and is providing a boost at both ends; 3) players want to play well for Walsh; and 4) IT knows he is out, so he wants to go out winning a few games. I think all of this plays some part in our winning, which really needs to stop. We need 3 straight losses if we want to secure the 5th spot.
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4/9/2008  4:18 PM
we're winning because we're playing teams that have even less to play for than us right now. Detroit and Orlando are locked into the two and three seeds in the East and they are resting their regulars. the pressure is off our guys and they're playing looser.

it is pathetic that we don't have an organizational strategy to maximize one of the few assets we have. oh well. maybe karma will help us out. remember - the team with the worst record rarely gets a top pick.
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4/9/2008  6:05 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

Losing helps your status in the lottery. There is a difference with 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th. Big difference. You get more opportunities to finish in the top 3. Unfortunately now it's all over. A lottery is a lottery but would you rather pick numbers while blindfolded or pick numbers you believe will be the winning numbers? I'd like to be assured of having a good draft pick. If we had 4th, the worst we would be is 7th. Now that we have 6th, the worst we can go is 9th. But of course, it was all worth it to get those extra wins and finish out the season "strong."

Of course it does but there's nothing one can do about where the team is going to finish. Besides, we've been in 5th place the majority of the season it is not like we went from 1st to 5th over night here.

Again, it's a lotto so you never know where you will place. You also have no idea if the player you pick will be good or not.

For all we know we could move up to 3rd and get the best player in the draft.

In that I find it incredulous that so many are not only so worked up over our 4th victory in 21 games - but - are willing to attack and destroy our team and the individual players that have a pulse.

I just don't get that. I have no problem with people suggesting it's in our best interests to have a poor record yet I have a BIG problem with those that are hammering guys like Chandler and Nate for having good games.

And, again, any and all bitching and moaning and praying for losses has absolutely no bearing on what the team will actually accomplish.


So, yeah, again, I don't understand people destroying their team over a couple of wins.
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4/9/2008  6:14 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by GKFv2:

Losing helps your status in the lottery. There is a difference with 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th. Big difference. You get more opportunities to finish in the top 3. Unfortunately now it's all over. A lottery is a lottery but would you rather pick numbers while blindfolded or pick numbers you believe will be the winning numbers? I'd like to be assured of having a good draft pick. If we had 4th, the worst we would be is 7th. Now that we have 6th, the worst we can go is 9th. But of course, it was all worth it to get those extra wins and finish out the season "strong."

Of course it does but there's nothing one can do about where the team is going to finish. Besides, we've been in 5th place the majority of the season it is not like we went from 1st to 5th over night here.

Again, it's a lotto so you never know where you will place. You also have no idea if the player you pick will be good or not.

For all we know we could move up to 3rd and get the best player in the draft.

In that I find it incredulous that so many are not only so worked up over our 4th victory in 21 games - but - are willing to attack and destroy our team and the individual players that have a pulse.

I just don't get that. I have no problem with people suggesting it's in our best interests to have a poor record yet I have a BIG problem with those that are hammering guys like Chandler and Nate for having good games.

And, again, any and all bitching and moaning and praying for losses has absolutely no bearing on what the team will actually accomplish.


So, yeah, again, I don't understand people destroying their team over a couple of wins.

No one is destroying the team.

And while our pick is random, there is a greater chance to do better with more losses. This is a concrete connection, not some random event.

These last 2 wins took us out of 4th place and now position us to possibly fall to 6th place. The difference between ping pong balls is huge, and while it is random, the percentages none the less are REAL!
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4/9/2008  6:21 PM
Posted by franco12:




No one is destroying the team.

And while our pick is random, there is a greater chance to do better with more losses. This is a concrete connection, not some random event.

These last 2 wins took us out of 4th place and now position us to possibly fall to 6th place. The difference between ping pong balls is huge, and while it is random, the percentages none the less are REAL!



Come'on man, plenty of people are in an uproar, not just here but other sites. Hell, a handful of people purposely destroyed the thread I made about Nate's good play over this insanity. I've really never seen anything like it. Personally I'm happy that Nate had a solid game the other night and that Chandler is showing some promise.

I understand the ramifications of placement within the draft order but there's far too much over reaction to something that cannot be controlled and does not warrant responses that are as bad as if not worse than comments from fans of other teams that hate our team.

We've been in 5th nearly the entire year. And again, it's a lotto, not a set-in-stone selection order, and who knows what player will be "the one" out of this draft? We just don't. So many variables and the reality we'd been hovering at 5th the majority of the time surely doesn't warrant such responses to a win does it?

...yeah I realize I'm fighting a losing battle with those who want Nate strung up by his balls, Chandler dumped in a vat of sulfuric acid, and any other player having a good game cut into four pieces and buried at the four ends of the earth --- for to them it's a certainty that last nights win stole the biggest super star since Jordan from our grasp and has relegated us to the depths of 15 win hell for the next decade.

Yeah, I'm being melodramatic.
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4/9/2008  8:39 PM
It is so upsetting that we are winning now seriously I want 2 throw up watching tonight I would be happy with the 4th position but the 5th or 6th would be hard to swallow.

And no not the 4th pick but the 4th position gives us a decent shot at the top 2
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4/9/2008  8:47 PM
You thought they would lose to the Bobcats? They blew them out the last time and that wasn't even when they were playing hard.
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4/9/2008  8:56 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by franco12:




No one is destroying the team.

And while our pick is random, there is a greater chance to do better with more losses. This is a concrete connection, not some random event.

These last 2 wins took us out of 4th place and now position us to possibly fall to 6th place. The difference between ping pong balls is huge, and while it is random, the percentages none the less are REAL!



Come'on man, plenty of people are in an uproar, not just here but other sites. Hell, a handful of people purposely destroyed the thread I made about Nate's good play over this insanity. I've really never seen anything like it. Personally I'm happy that Nate had a solid game the other night and that Chandler is showing some promise.

I understand the ramifications of placement within the draft order but there's far too much over reaction to something that cannot be controlled and does not warrant responses that are as bad as if not worse than comments from fans of other teams that hate our team.

We've been in 5th nearly the entire year. And again, it's a lotto, not a set-in-stone selection order, and who knows what player will be "the one" out of this draft? We just don't. So many variables and the reality we'd been hovering at 5th the majority of the time surely doesn't warrant such responses to a win does it?

...yeah I realize I'm fighting a losing battle with those who want Nate strung up by his balls, Chandler dumped in a vat of sulfuric acid, and any other player having a good game cut into four pieces and buried at the four ends of the earth --- for to them it's a certainty that last nights win stole the biggest super star since Jordan from our grasp and has relegated us to the depths of 15 win hell for the next decade.

Yeah, I'm being melodramatic.

Dude--do you work in the marketing dept for the Knicks? I mean it's pretty darn obvious. Most people are pirsed off fans bro--most:) are not MSG employees--so don't get your panties in a ruffle when true fans go off. Of course every real fans DOES want them to lose down the stretch for the betterment of the team inthe future BUT there are way to many agendas and BS spewing from the Knicks. I don't believe Walsh was hired by the Knicks yet hasnt seen 1 minute of ball game--the guy couldve had any game taped and sent to him first class delivery in a nano-second. Im taking this day by day and I don't trust what is going on here.
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