New 8 minute Mcgee tape
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djsunyc
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4/7/2008 3:22 PM
are the knicks in the position to take a big swing like jason giambi or should they be a little more disciplined like derek jeter?
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EnySpree
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4/7/2008 3:26 PM
Nice vid.......reminds me of Keon Clark.
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tkf
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4/7/2008 3:37 PM
briggs, he is a little light in the pants, but he looks like he can gain some weight and be a post player a couple of years down the road.. I would not mind trying to get another mid first pick and move up and take him also.. He has a real nice skill set..
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BRIGGS
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4/7/2008 3:45 PM
Posted by djsunyc: I think Walsh said it right--we need to address areas of concern--to me the main concern is our complete lack of ability to protect the basket. Unfortunately God only made so many athletic 7 footers in the world and we have to seriously consider with all of the size in the NBA if we are going to join that club. We are smallish in the middle and that is where a lot of problems occur. We have plenty of games where our guards hit 20+ points and we lose by 15. This guy has that athletic length but also owns a great deal of OFFENSIVE skills that appear to be just burgeoning. If we dont get Derrick Rose--Id rather go into a plan where we acquire a second pick take Mcgee and Randolph and look to the next draft for guards. Right now I would say our guards Crawford Marbury Nate Jones Q Rich can put up the required points and all have contracts What we should address is the scary C and long term PF positions if they decide they cant resign Lee for 9-10mm per. We bring in tremdous length athletiscm and abilities that just need to be strengthened and honed. Next years draft we can look at enhance our guard positions long term--you just dont get many chances to put two big players like these guys with their speed together very often if at all. If we want to change what happens on our defense we need some guys who can disrupt the lane with length. That would be one heckuva long frontline Mcgee 7-0+ Randolph 6-11 Chandler 6-8 All young and can grow together and are not in the position to ask for 9-10mm like Lee can--and there will be a team that offers Lee 45+mm RIP Crushalot😞
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newyorknewyork
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4/7/2008 4:23 PM
His handle for a guy his size is amazing
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Elite
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4/7/2008 6:00 PM
very cambyish
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GKFv2
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4/7/2008 6:10 PM
The problem is he’s extremely far from reaching his full potential—so far that you have to wonder if he’ll ever make it considering the way he looks at times on the court. Struggles to establish position and finish in the paint, settles for some incredibly awkward off-balance shots, and is virtually a black hole with his passing skills—averaging 4 turnovers for every 1 assist. Looks very disinterested at times, doesn’t hustle, gives up on plays, late getting back down the floor, and might be the worst man to man defender we’ve ever evaluated in the post. Gets pushed around, gambles excessively for steals, has no stance or fundamentals, doesn’t move his feet, and is a complete non-factor even against the mediocre competition he faces. According to Synergy’s “PlayType QuickTable stats,” McGee was scored on 66% of the time when being posted up in the paint (against the likes of Fresno State, Utah State, Houston, etc). Is light years away from being able to compete on an NBA level defensively, if ever. None of this makes me eager to get him. Sounds like a skinnier Zach Randolph. http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/JaVale-McGee-1197/ [Edited by - gkfv2 on 04-07-2008 6:11 PM] Thank you, Rick Brunson.
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BRIGGS
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4/7/2008 6:12 PM
Posted by GKFv2:The problem is he’s extremely far from reaching his full potential—so far that you have to wonder if he’ll ever make it considering the way he looks at times on the court. Struggles to establish position and finish in the paint, settles for some incredibly awkward off-balance shots, and is virtually a black hole with his passing skills—averaging 4 turnovers for every 1 assist. Looks very disinterested at times, doesn’t hustle, gives up on plays, late getting back down the floor, and might be the worst man to man defender we’ve ever evaluated in the post. Gets pushed around, gambles excessively for steals, has no stance or fundamentals, doesn’t move his feet, and is a complete non-factor even against the mediocre competition he faces. According to Synergy’s “PlayType QuickTable stats,” McGee was scored on 66% of the time when being posted up in the paint (against the likes of Fresno State, Utah State, Houston, etc). Is light years away from being able to compete on an NBA level defensively, if ever. Mcgee is over 7 feet tall. Zach Randolph is 6-8 PF RIP Crushalot😞
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GKFv2
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4/7/2008 6:16 PM
That still doesn't make any of that good. Sounds like he's a project at best. Not someone I'd waste a top 5 pick on, that's for sure.
Thank you, Rick Brunson.
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crzymdups
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4/7/2008 6:44 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:Posted by djsunyc: he also said "we can't afford to miss" to me, mcgee is a huge gamble. I'm with you on LSU's Randolph, he seems absurdly talented with a level head. but McGee... reminds me of Channing Frye, honestly. I know he's faster and a better athlete, but that's who he reminds me of at the college level. I'm with you on moving Lee for another pick. We need the cap savings for one thing. I would definitely take Anthony Randolph with a second pick, or our first if we're picking somewhere in the 5-6 range. Remember, Walsh got burned by another frail big man who never filled out - Jonathan Bender. if we can't have derrick rose, I'd be into selecting Randolph with the 4/5pick and trading Lee for a chance to take CDR or Thabeet. [Edited by - crzymdups on 07-04-2008 6:46 PM] ¿ △ ?
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BRIGGS
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4/7/2008 7:30 PM
Posted by crzymdups:Posted by BRIGGS:Posted by djsunyc: This guy is nothing like Channing Frye. He's got a much bigger wider frame with more agility. When this kid gets up to 250-260 and they teach him to stay in the post 90% of the time--he's is going to be an NBA force with his length athletiscm and touch. He has innate type charchteristics that have to be evaluated. You simply do not find many athletic agile 7 foot players with foot speed that have the triple threat skill package--Channing Frye is a maxed out 6-10 240 PF with rigid body movements and very little handle. He has Camby-like length but his body and offensive skills have a much larger upside. It's very tough evaluating guys who started playing late--they need the PT--but anyone can see his skill level must've rapidly developed and with hard work---his ceiling is VERY high. If you want to put the compariosn on the table--a guy like Eric gordon can never block more shots will never rebound doesnt have the ability to defend anyway like this guy--he has a lot of skills that we need. Whatever happens happens--I just hope they have an open mind this time around and dont draft the player they think will be the best guy in year 1 but rather who they think will be the best player when all is said and done. RIP Crushalot😞
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Siar617
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4/7/2008 8:17 PM
i would absolutly trade lee to get this guy
no question i hope thomas donnie and anyone else who has a say is paying attention jesus617
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Anji
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4/7/2008 8:31 PM
They are probably both forwards in the NBA, I think too many guys add 20 plus of weight at there age.
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BRIGGS
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4/7/2008 8:54 PM
Posted by Siar617: If they dont get Beasley or Rose they could also go Westbrook and Mcgee--and then you have your shot blocking C and on ball defender both with elite athletiscm -- westbrook is the first line of defense and Mcgee is the last line but both also have the talent to score points. I know both are not physically developed but with hard training that can set your defense up for 10 years. There are different avenues we can go RIP Crushalot😞
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codeunknown
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4/7/2008 9:27 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:Posted by Siar617: So you're changing your mind on Westbrook then? Or where would you pick him? Sh-t in the popcorn to go with sh-t on the court. Its a theme show like Medieval times.
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BRIGGS
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4/8/2008 12:16 AM
Posted by codeunknown:Posted by BRIGGS:Posted by Siar617: I don't know what the NY Knicks want to do. If we don't get pick 1 or 2 there is no doubt in my mind that we should come out of the draft with a C and potentially look into dealing Lee for another high draft pick IF the idea is truly to get cap space for 2010. I already know which player I want--its quite obvious--Im open to a few players if we do get a second high pick including Randolph Mayo Westbrook--Im not interested in the small guys who dont play D RIP Crushalot😞
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LarrythaLeo
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4/8/2008 12:56 AM
I came away impressed...McGee has years to go as far a Physical development but what I did see was promising...
Energy of Kevin Garnett Swats of Camby Jumper of Channing Frye Handle and Agility of a Guard...and who saw the behind the back pass...? I will admit it is a huge risk given the level of competition...but the kid has game...I never saw that type of energy from a big consistently minus KG...but I do know it's a highlight tape so you have to take it with a grain of salt... [Edited by - larrythaleo on 04-08-2008 12:58 AM] |
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Caseloads
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4/8/2008 9:08 AM
Seriously, this guy is Ultra lanky, at 7 feet tall, no more than 200ish pounds - he's going to get snapped in half in the NBA.
You make the statement that he's going to fill out to 260 - not all players CAN do that, and if they do, they loose their "bounce" like this guy. I mean, think about it, Bynum came into the League at 7 feet, 300 pounds, and was a slim guy. I'd rather a Bynum-type than a McGee-type. Those thin, pogo-type guys usually end up getting injured lots :( |
New 8 minute Mcgee tape