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Siar617
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4/6/2008  4:00 PM
so many commercials about players saying the nba was thier only dream
to many young blacks putting thier eggs in that basket and failing

i just think this is wrong
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4/6/2008  4:22 PM
Well I don't think it should be their only dream. That's rediculous. But many do owe their success to it. Some groups of people have made certain success in certain areas that they have excelled in, but I also think investing the money into other things is a good way to create other platforms for success also.

But this also goes back to a discussion recently we all had about young blacks who don't make it to the pros. What next is always the question. That's the part that needs a safety net to excell in something else. That should apply to anyone.
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4/6/2008  4:34 PM
my little brother cried when i told him he might not play past college ball maybe europe
i thought that was so sad
i thought he'd be happy playing college ball and going for free
some kids are just too brain washed these days
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4/6/2008  4:47 PM
Posted by Siar617:

my little brother cried when i told him he might not play past college ball maybe europe
i thought that was so sad
i thought he'd be happy playing college ball and going for free
some kids are just too brain washed these days

Better to tell him now, rather than find out later, with never having thought of doing something else as a back up. That's one less possible dissapointed guy who'll probably go to college. doesn't hurt to try otherwise though. lol
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4/7/2008  8:23 AM
The NCAA is not being responsible. Putting guys in their respective universities and they can't read or write.
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4/7/2008  9:39 AM
Posted by Siar617:

so many commercials about players saying the nba was thier only dream
to many young blacks putting thier eggs in that basket and failing

i just think this is wrong

The only problem I see - they are not informed that to get to NBA they need to put a lot of hard work and sacrifice their life.
No parties, no girls, no drinks, no extra sleep, and a lot of sweat.
No guaranty that they can make it anyway (not talented enough, no character, injuries, bad luck).
But if kid will learn to work hard and sacrifice his personal pleasures to get the job done - they will succeed in any other field.
The commercial just forget to say that it is no fun out there. The fun is for spectators not for the players.
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4/7/2008  12:19 PM
Why are they being rewarded by the universities, if they can't read orwrite?
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4/7/2008  1:00 PM
Money.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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4/7/2008  4:05 PM
These are grown men. It isnt the responsibility of the NBA to shape the hopes and dreams of young men. Im sure all of us, regardless of our ethnicities, had dreams of someday playing for the NBA. That didnt happen for any of us, and life went on. I would say that if a young man of any color fails to realize that he may not make millions of dollars playing pro basketball then thats his own fault.
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4/7/2008  6:12 PM
Two things,

Siar Speaking from personal experience coming up in the ranks playing AAU, high school, all-star games etc you get a pretty good idea of where you stand in terms of being able to play professionally. So very few are shocked (provided there's no major injury or life-altering experience) in terms of if your going to make it to professional level. If your a young kid and your dream is to play professionally thats fine but the problem is that most of these kids have not the slightest clue as to what it takes to play even at the college level. Its a tremedous sacrifice even in the younger years to play sports at serious level. Most kids are weeded out pretty early because lack of work ethic. So like I said by the time you reach high school and if you've played in National Tournaments you'll have some clue as to whether your even potental Division 1 material. Siar also how old is your brother to be crying over you telling him that he might not make it to the NBA?


Playa I'm sorry but anyone raised in the United States that is of college age and cannot read or write I have absolutely no sympathy for. I don't care who your talking about they should be ashamed of themselves. People need to stop having the attitude that it is someone else's fault that at the age of 18 they cannot read or write. You have to be living under a damn rock not to know that reading and writing is intregal to human existence in this country.
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4/7/2008  8:13 PM
Bitty If I can't fill out an application, who's gonna hire me ??


If school superintedents allow young people to graduate from their respective schools but they can"t read or write they should be fired
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4/7/2008  8:32 PM
Posted by playa2:

Bitty If I can't fill out an application, who's gonna hire me ??


If school superintedents allow young people to graduate from their respective schools but they can"t read or write they should be fired


Fine I have no problem talking about the deplorable conditions our educational system is currently in however that does not absolve students from choosing to be completely ignorant. Yes it is a choice. Sure your teacher may not encourage you to read Nietzsche but EVERYONE regardless of what kind of school you went to should have working knowledge of basic reading and writing principles.

Playa stop generalizing that all athletes are these logheads that can't spell their own names. You play right into these prejudices beliefs that athletes are generally people who wouldn't even be in college if it weren't for their basketball, football, etc ability. Thats just not true most athletes are busting their asses on two fronts in school as well as at their sport. There are thousands of other college athletes that are just as successful on the field/court as they are in the classroom. College athletics isn't like the movie Blue Chips Playa where its filled with free goodies, people doing your homework, and being the King of your campus. The stories you read about athletes who can't read or write, or get pay-offs, are more likely the exceptions then the rules for most college athletes.

Your right you shouldn't be hired for being a dumbass and not learning to read and write. Unless you have some kind of disability like I said there is no excuse. Part of it falls on the teachers, parents, and the schools but also a large part falls on these kids who view school as something to amuse them.
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4/7/2008  8:47 PM
Gaps 'narrowing slightly' in study of NCAA teams' graduation rates

Associated Press

North Carolina was the only school among the four No. 1 seeds in the NCAA men's tournament to graduate at least 50 percent of its players.

A report released Monday found 86 percent of Tar Heels men's players earned diplomas during a six-year period. The other top seeds were far worse: 45 percent at Kansas and 40 percent at UCLA and Memphis.

The study was conducted by Richard Lapchick, head of the University of Central Florida's Institute for Diversity and Ethics in Sport. It evaluated four different freshman classes for a period beginning in 1997-98 and ending with 2000-01. Though the players evaluated are no longer on campus, the report intends to provide a snapshot of academic trends.


Lapchick's primary concern was the disparity between black and white players. Thirty-three schools graduated at least 70 percent of their white men's basketball players; only 19 graduated that many black players. At least 50 percent of white players earned degrees at 45 schools, but black athletes had that much success at only 36 schools.

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4/7/2008  9:20 PM
Your talking about one group of athletes MEN BASKETBALL PLAYERS there is a whole host of various types of collegiate athletes.
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4/8/2008  8:52 PM
Posted by bitty41:

Two things,

Playa I'm sorry but anyone raised in the United States that is of college age and cannot read or write I have absolutely no sympathy for. I don't care who your talking about they should be ashamed of themselves. People need to stop having the attitude that it is someone else's fault that at the age of 18 they cannot read or write. You have to be living under a damn rock not to know that reading and writing is intregal to human existence in this country.

Playa, bitty - life starts when you are born. If your parents where substance abuse free, if they where hard working and responsible, then your whole like has a chance. You can blame it on color if you'd want. But if you come from a broken community, a broken family and no influences, then chances are you will not make it and will ultimately end up poor in all kinds of ways. And that's not really anyone's fault, not unless you want to go all the way back to where your ancestrial line was interupted. Simply, today we are products of society.

Simply said, non of us can blame directly something that was done to our family long ago, way before you where born. The problem with this is 'you will tend to hold yourself' victom to wrongs long ago. So you are either a product of something that was damaged long ago and somehow passed down to the community, your family to you or' you have a chance, because you where given the proper care and nurturing from your parents that would instill a confidence inside of you, so you'd be able to have a better sense when attending school and growing through that process, eventually having an opportunity to maybe attend college and who knows after that.

Niether however does not apply to everyone. There are well to do kids, who also fall through the cracks and end up on the bad end. Difference in punishments? It varies. The other scenario is, just because you may have come from a bad background, you may already have within you enough influence to get you to believe that you can have better in your life. How one's product may have been developed is one thing. The outcome is what matters in the end and when it comes to professional sports, most scouts, executives wouldn't want to take a chance of someone who might be known to have a questionable background. In the majority of cases, they usually draft, sign people who are also up to the mental task of sports participation.

Example (and yes, it's a harsh example, but) some of the greatest athlete's have spent much of their lives in prison. Unfortunately, didn't have enough of what it took to act accordingly in society, to explore one's own talents and entertain. Sports was created out of what was once known as survival for the fitest. I mean from thousands of years ago - life or death. Today it is a business, but in many ways (mainly what we are talking about here) it is sort of once again a survival of the fitest. All in all, it is up to luck, up to the mind of an individual to notice that something is not right. Taking notice of one's surroundings and realizing to ask 'how do I fit into this'? What is this? That luck could be a simple somebody walking by and telling you soemthing that you didn't even know about yourself, that could cause you to take notice.

So if it appears that someone is at fault, just because they didn't take care of business a long time ago, then take into consideration that maybe that person never knew that things could 'occure' to them. What do we do as babies? We take notice of everything around us. We become curious. If you never had that, if your parent never took the time to show you that (and most likely they never had it done for them either) then you'd never know that one could actually think for themselves and ask questions. Poor communities, under those conditions are a 'catch-22'. It's a viscious circle and it's virtually impossible to cure a community of that kind of circle, let alone an individual surviving it. You don't find too many individuals who come out of those environments and at some point in their lives, they eventually end up having problems. Even years after. With respect, I use a form of 'rape trauma' as an example. The effects sometime later.

I think isiah's like that. It's about survival and hopefully enough to develop just enough compassion to live a longer, healthier life, that would fit into and soak up and reflect onto society in what would be considered a normal condition, according to a common sensed natural agreement amongst each other. In other words 'how we normally get along'. Do you guys know this is why comic books were created? Marvel, D.C. both trying to create images of demon like, dark like good-doers, to help inner youth deal with the pressures of growing up in large communites. Playa, maybe you should create stories for comics of disfunctional characters, who somehow become do-gooders, who fight those inner demons in certain 'catch-22' communities. And hire illustrators to create the figures. That one just came off the top of my head!

You'd influence an entire community. A new generation of kids to focus instead of learning victimization all over again. I grew up with Spiderman myself and I love the Harry Potter stories, because I can relate to several characters in the story and it sort of replaces, and lets me experience some of the childhood I missed. Anyway....

Other than that this is not a solution to anyones problems. This is an awareness to how problems became. College and the NBA isn't going to save anyone. Hell' theire trying to save themselves right now. It all starts in infancy. Once you understand that, then you can search for the root of all of your problems. The loss of nurtured love can be very damaging. Don't be a victim. You can't save everybody. You can only try to influence them to think on the right track. Think about all of that. I guarantee you, they'rd be no more talk of college students not being able to read or write.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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4/8/2008  9:19 PM
4949

What are you talking about? I hope that wasn't meant to be addressed to me because I've had it with all the hard luck stories that I can stomach. Especially since you have plenty of people busting their asses everyday in this country who are still struggling to have life's basic necessities.
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4/10/2008  12:04 AM
Posted by bitty41:

4949

What are you talking about? I hope that wasn't meant to be addressed to me because I've had it with all the hard luck stories that I can stomach. Especially since you have plenty of people busting their asses everyday in this country who are still struggling to have life's basic necessities.

Well, sorry I didn't address what you needed. Personally, I'm getting pretty tired of all of this victim stuff. No more social consciousness for me. You can't teach an old dog new tricks. lol
I'll never trust this' team again.
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4/10/2008  10:57 AM
4949,

I'm tired of hearing about how their mother was this or how dad wasn't around. Enough already people aren't going to be receptive to your plight if your not contributing to society in any sort of way other then in the negative.
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4/11/2008  10:01 PM
bitty41

I'm tired. Enough alrady negative one. Be off with thee head and unst under thy bridge, ye foolish fool.

No-mo social consciousness. Let hatred ride it's fate. Let hatred find victory and salvation amongst it's own. It's just so much easier. Don't you think??
I'll never trust this' team again.
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