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4/5/2008  10:58 AM
Was reading this article and thought it has some really good tidbits in here. More smoke that Isiah will be Fired at seasons end.


NEW ORLEANS - It's no secret that Isiah Thomas loves to spend. He has accumulated more than his share of bloated contracts that have the Knicks mired in a salary-cap mess that could take years to rectify.

So the day before Friday night's 118-110 loss to the Hornets, Thomas did what he does best: He opened his wallet in New Orleans.

"I went out and I definitely made a contribution to the economy, tried to spend as much money as I possibly could here," the coach said after the Knicks' shootaround at New Orleans Arena Friday morning.

Sounds like his tenure as the Knicks' president, doesn't it? Now Thomas' days as coach appear to be numbered, too. New president Donnie Walsh may have come to New York intending to give Thomas every chance to remain with the organization, but he now realizes that he underestimated the vitriol directed toward the team's deposed president, according to a person with knowledge of his thinking.

This will never be more obvious than Sunday at the Garden, when Thomas is sure to face vicious treatment from the fans.

Walsh has returned to Indiana and wasn't planning to attend a game until Wednesday against Charlotte. Thus, on Sunday against the Magic, he won't get to hear Thomas subjected to what one person close to the situation predicted would be the "nah-nah-nah-nah, hey-hey-hey, good-bye" treatment.

As ugly as it could get for Thomas in the arena, it is more ominous behind the scenes. Virtually anyone who ever has watched a basketball practice is sending word of his interest in a job with the Knicks to Walsh.

A person familiar with Walsh's thinking said he is open to hiring two subordinates in the front office. One would be experienced with scouting and personnel; the other would be savvy about negotiating contracts and making trades. Among the people Walsh is believed to be considering are former 76ers general manager Billy King, Nuggets GM Mark Warkentien, YES and ABC/ESPN announcer Mark Jackson, who played for the Knicks and Pacers, and former Bobcats president Bernie Bickerstaff.

Walsh holds Bickerstaff in extremely high regard and believes he hasn't gotten enough credit for his rebuilding acumen in Charlotte, Washington and Denver. Walsh regards Warkentien as a risk-taker whose out-of-the-box thinking would be an asset. King has run successful drafts and gotten difficult deals done. Having an experienced person in one role would enable Walsh to groom Jackson, who has no coaching or front-office experience, in the other.

As for the coach, experienced options include current Knicks assistant Herb Williams, Pistons assistant Terry Porter and former Bulls coach Scott Skiles. But Walsh has a record of hiring inexperienced head coaches, so Jackson could be a consideration on the bench, too.

Walsh also realizes that the Knicks need to get serious about international scouting, an area they have badly neglected. Walsh is believed to be leaning toward adding a third person for that role, and Pistons director of international scouting Tony Ronzone would be among the leading candidates.

Ronzone brought the so-called "moneyball" approach based on statistical and video analysis to international scouting. USA Basketball managing director Jerry Colangelo hired him last year to head up advance scouting for Team USA. Whatever Ronzone is earning in Detroit, James Dolan would easily beat it if Walsh asked him to do that.
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4/5/2008  11:10 AM
Some tidbits that stabd out:

1. Finally, the Knicks will dip into the interantional waters. Although, recently there hasn't been any sure-fire can't miss Euro's entering the draft, its good to see that we are going to be a player.

2. Seems like Walsh was thinking of possibly keeping Isiah around, but the media has done all it can to expose Isiah for the unprofessional fraud he is and brought to light how much he is hated in this town (Walsh said as much on the Mike and the Maddog show. Said he didn't realize how disliked he was)

3. Sounds like King as GM and Mark Jackson as coach.
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4/5/2008  11:11 AM
Please God, no Billy King.

Please.
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4/5/2008  11:21 AM
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Please God, no Billy King.

Please.

You do realize, that young, energetic Philly team thats headed to the playoffs was put together by King, right? Besides, any reservations you may have about King, you have to realize he will be working closely with Walsh.

[Edited by - Uptown on 04-05-2008 11:21 AM]
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4/5/2008  11:28 AM
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Please God, no Billy King.

Please.

You do realize, that young, energetic Philly team thats headed to the playoffs was put together by King, right? Besides, any reservations you may have about King, you have to realize he will be working closely with Walsh.

[Edited by - Uptown on 04-05-2008 11:21 AM]

Well put
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4/5/2008  11:57 AM
The Tidbits that stand out to me is that Walsh is going to spend money not to overpay players but to put together a strong frontoffice foundation. A 3 headed monster, one excelling in player signings & trades, one excelling in scouting and the draft, and one excelling in international scouting. Maybe even possibly using Dolans money to steal some guys with excellent track records from other teams as well.

Next we should target the medical staff. They should all be re-evaluated. Then we should steal some top developmental assistants from other teams as well. If Dolan is still willing to spend that is.
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4/5/2008  12:06 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

The Tidbits that stand out to me is that Walsh is going to spend money not to overpay players but to put together a strong frontoffice foundation. A 3 headed monster, one excelling in player signings & trades, one excelling in scouting and the draft, and one excelling in international scouting. Maybe even possibly using Dolans money to steal some guys with excellent track records from other teams as well.

Next we should target the medical staff. They should all be re-evaluated. Then we should steal some top developmental assistants from other teams as well. If Dolan is still willing to spend that is.


That three-headed monster can backfire as you have three egos all fighting for credit/or placing blame if this thing isn't turned around. What would be the offical title of three front office guys? President, GM, and assistant GM. If so, Walsh has to be super carefull who he places where. I guess Bickerstaff, being a lifer, wouldn't mind laying in the weeds behind the scenes as the GM while Mark Jackson, the newbie will play the front/face man. But again, three people in the front office can be a delicate situation.
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4/5/2008  12:15 PM
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

The Tidbits that stand out to me is that Walsh is going to spend money not to overpay players but to put together a strong frontoffice foundation. A 3 headed monster, one excelling in player signings & trades, one excelling in scouting and the draft, and one excelling in international scouting. Maybe even possibly using Dolans money to steal some guys with excellent track records from other teams as well.

Next we should target the medical staff. They should all be re-evaluated. Then we should steal some top developmental assistants from other teams as well. If Dolan is still willing to spend that is.


That three-headed monster can backfire as you have three egos all fighting for credit/or placing blame if this thing isn't turned around. What would be the offical title of three front office guys? President, GM, and assistant GM. If so, Walsh has to be super carefull who he places where. I guess Bickerstaff, being a lifer, wouldn't mind laying in the weeds behind the scenes as the GM while Mark Jackson, the newbie will play the front/face man. But again, three people in the front office can be a delicate situation.

Very true and I thought of that as I wrote it. But if one persons role is only to focus on player signings and trades. 2nd persons role is only scouting and draft. 3rd persons role is international scouting. Then as long as they stay in there role they should be fine. The 2 that would have the most reason to clash would be the 2 scouts. Walsh just would need to hire the right people if this is his plan. People that he knows will work good together, people who he knows there personalities will mesh. Rather than just adding 3 people just for there skills.
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4/5/2008  12:31 PM
My thing is, Walsh is more than capable fof making player/personel decisions himself. I totally understand the need to add a Tony Ronzone as to head the international scouting, but does he really need a guy to handle contracts and negotiating and signing (isn't Walsh a lawyer aswell?), then another guy to handle scouting?

Now that Walsh has relinquished his role of overseeing everything and is now concentrating strictly on basketball, I think he can handle more player/personel decisions himself. Because of age, however, I would like for him to bring in an understudy, like a Greg Anthony, who he can slowly relinquish power to as he gets older and his contract fades. Bring in Ronzone to handle all overseas scouting. That should be more than enough in the front office.



[Edited by - Uptown on 04-05-2008 6:03 PM]
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4/5/2008  12:46 PM
Isiah be making it rain!!!!
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4/5/2008  1:06 PM
Posted by Uptown:

My thing is, Walsh is more than capable fof making player/personel decisions himself. I totally understand the need to add a Tony Ronzone as to head the international scouting, but does he really need a guy to handle contracts and negotiating and signing (isn't Walsh a lawyer aswell?), then another guy to handle scouting?

Now that Walsh has reliquished his role of overseeing everything and is now concentrating stricly on basketball, I think he handle more player/personel decisions himself. Becaue of age, however, I would like for him to bring in an understudy, like a Greg Anthony, who he can slowly relinquish power to as he gets older and his contract fades. Bring in Ronzone to hanlde all oversees scouting. That should be more than enough in the front office.

Until anything gets done its all speculation. The writer could have gotten some information and put his own view into it. Walsh could be planning on doing it exactly the way your saying. Walsh would be in charge of negociations & trades. He would then bring in a subordinate to handle scouting and the draft. That person could be his eventual successor. Then he would bring in Ronzone to take care of international scouting. Ronzone & an understudy could be the only 2 subordinates Walsh would be considering. Yet the writer could hear 2 subordinates and think one person for trades & contracts another for scouting and draft.

I guess we will have to wait for something to happen to further comment

[Edited by - newyorknewyork on 04-05-2008 1:09 PM]
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4/5/2008  5:18 PM
i always thought King had a hard job with AI on board and he did a pretty good job with what he had to work with. Not great but some good moves
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4/5/2008  7:53 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:
Posted by Uptown:

My thing is, Walsh is more than capable fof making player/personel decisions himself. I totally understand the need to add a Tony Ronzone as to head the international scouting, but does he really need a guy to handle contracts and negotiating and signing (isn't Walsh a lawyer aswell?), then another guy to handle scouting?

Now that Walsh has reliquished his role of overseeing everything and is now concentrating stricly on basketball, I think he handle more player/personel decisions himself. Becaue of age, however, I would like for him to bring in an understudy, like a Greg Anthony, who he can slowly relinquish power to as he gets older and his contract fades. Bring in Ronzone to hanlde all oversees scouting. That should be more than enough in the front office.

Until anything gets done its all speculation. The writer could have gotten some information and put his own view into it. Walsh could be planning on doing it exactly the way your saying. Walsh would be in charge of negociations & trades. He would then bring in a subordinate to handle scouting and the draft. That person could be his eventual successor. Then he would bring in Ronzone to take care of international scouting. Ronzone & an understudy could be the only 2 subordinates Walsh would be considering. Yet the writer could hear 2 subordinates and think one person for trades & contracts another for scouting and draft.

I guess we will have to wait for something to happen to further comment

[Edited by - newyorknewyork on 04-05-2008 1:09 PM]

Exactly. Waiting isn't easy, but we all know we can't depend on the media's speculations.

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