like he was for Bird in Indiana. He's 67 and can help make decisions while Isiah does the personell behind the scenes. Unless IT is in another state--I won't believe that he does not have a serious say in what is going on. Nothing personal against IT--he just needs to be eradicated from the memory banks/ Anything less will promote true doubt who is handling this franchise.
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A man who demanded autonomy from Mills - and only wants to REPORT to Dolan not be instructed by Dolan - and wants full discretion on Isiah Thomas and any and all moves - and wants and got full control of the media policy as his to dictate and his alone...
IS NOT A YES MAN
Fellas, the only thing here, is that Dolan does not want to pay Isiah 18M to go away. He wants him to earn - at the least - one more year of it.
In that I'm sure Walsh was asked to see if there's any place to put Isiah where he'd still have to work - YET - Walsh would still have 100% control of the franchise meaning no matter what Isiah suggests - he can't do it - unless Walsh okay's it.
I wouldn't be all that concerned.
Walsh said he would not come here unless those three demands were met - and - they were met - which is why he is here.
The "YES MAN" era ended with Layden BTW as Isiah had complete autonomy of franchise moves himself. Isiah wasn't a yes man in that respect not in the least.
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A man who demanded autonomy from Mills - and only wants to REPORT to Dolan not be instructed by Dolan - and wants full discretion on Isiah Thomas and any and all moves - and wants and got full control of the media policy as his to dictate and his alone...
IS NOT A YES MAN
Sure can be. He was a yes man where he left and can be a yes man here.
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A man who demanded autonomy from Mills - and only wants to REPORT to Dolan not be instructed by Dolan - and wants full discretion on Isiah Thomas and any and all moves - and wants and got full control of the media policy as his to dictate and his alone...
IS NOT A YES MAN
Fellas, the only thing here, is that Dolan does not want to pay Isiah 18M to go away. He wants him to earn - at the least - one more year of it.
In that I'm sure Walsh was asked to see if there's any place to put Isiah where he'd still have to work - YET - Walsh would still have 100% control of the franchise meaning no matter what Isiah suggests - he can't do it - unless Walsh okay's it.
I wouldn't be all that concerned.
Walsh said he would not come here unless those three demands were met - and - they were met - which is why he is here.
The "YES MAN" era ended with Layden BTW as Isiah had complete autonomy of franchise moves himself. Isiah wasn't a yes man in that respect not in the least.
Totally agree with this post. I think there is a chance for Walsh to stash Isiah away in a cubicle somewhere in the bowels of MSG until another year falls off of his contract. But now that Walsh has made his rounds, and has spoken to numerous media outlets, its come to his attention how much Isiah is hated in this town and would be a detriment to the franchise moving forward. Kind of like a stain on a brand new white shirt. I think he realizes what he must do now.
[Edited by - Uptown on 04-05-2008 11:28 AM]
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A man who demanded autonomy from Mills - and only wants to REPORT to Dolan not be instructed by Dolan - and wants full discretion on Isiah Thomas and any and all moves - and wants and got full control of the media policy as his to dictate and his alone...
IS NOT A YES MAN
Fellas, the only thing here, is that Dolan does not want to pay Isiah 18M to go away. He wants him to earn - at the least - one more year of it.
In that I'm sure Walsh was asked to see if there's any place to put Isiah where he'd still have to work - YET - Walsh would still have 100% control of the franchise meaning no matter what Isiah suggests - he can't do it - unless Walsh okay's it.
I wouldn't be all that concerned.
Walsh said he would not come here unless those three demands were met - and - they were met - which is why he is here.
The "YES MAN" era ended with Layden BTW as Isiah had complete autonomy of franchise moves himself. Isiah wasn't a yes man in that respect not in the least.
Totally agree with this post. I think there is a chance for Walsh to stash Isiah away in a cubicle somewhere in the bowels of MSG until another year falls off of his contract. But now that Walsh has made his rounds, and has spoken to numerous media outlets, its come to his attention how much Isiah is hated in this town and would be a detriment to the franchise moving forward. Kind of like a stain on a brand new white shirt. I think he realizes what he must do now.
[Edited by - Uptown on 04-05-2008 11:28 AM]
Yes I can see how much Donnie is 24/7 into his job when he is already back in Indiana and Isiah is treating the team like he was vying for the 8th seed 1/2 game out of it. I mean Donnie Walsh ALREADY knows what the main guys can do--wouldn't your first move IF you were in full charge be a mandate on the coach to play all of the young players good minutes? The OWNERS of the Sacramento Kings just came out in public and basically demanded Theus to play the young guys--wouldn't you want to see what you have with your unknown assets---- Unless you are not really in charge?
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A man who demanded autonomy from Mills - and only wants to REPORT to Dolan not be instructed by Dolan - and wants full discretion on Isiah Thomas and any and all moves - and wants and got full control of the media policy as his to dictate and his alone...
IS NOT A YES MAN
Fellas, the only thing here, is that Dolan does not want to pay Isiah 18M to go away. He wants him to earn - at the least - one more year of it.
In that I'm sure Walsh was asked to see if there's any place to put Isiah where he'd still have to work - YET - Walsh would still have 100% control of the franchise meaning no matter what Isiah suggests - he can't do it - unless Walsh okay's it.
I wouldn't be all that concerned.
Walsh said he would not come here unless those three demands were met - and - they were met - which is why he is here.
The "YES MAN" era ended with Layden BTW as Isiah had complete autonomy of franchise moves himself. Isiah wasn't a yes man in that respect not in the least.
Totally agree with this post. I think there is a chance for Walsh to stash Isiah away in a cubicle somewhere in the bowels of MSG until another year falls off of his contract. But now that Walsh has made his rounds, and has spoken to numerous media outlets, its come to his attention how much Isiah is hated in this town and would be a detriment to the franchise moving forward. Kind of like a stain on a brand new white shirt. I think he realizes what he must do now.
[Edited by - Uptown on 04-05-2008 11:28 AM]
Yes I can see how much Donnie is 24/7 into his job when he is already back in Indiana and Isiah is treating the team like he was vying for the 8th seed 1/2 game out of it. I mean Donnie Walsh ALREADY knows what the main guys can do--wouldn't your first move IF you were in full charge be a mandate on the coach to play all of the young players good minutes? The OWNERS of the Sacramento Kings just came out in public and basically demanded Theus to play the young guys--wouldn't you want to see what you have with your unknown assets---- Unless you are not really in charge?
I dont disagree with that sentiment....Hell, I was screaming at my T.V. for Isiah to pull Craw, Zach and Nate and play Chandler, Balk, Morris and Mardy extended minutes. I dont know what is going on behind the scenes and it appears that Walsh hasn't instructed Isiah to play the youth most of the minutes. In fact, last night, Isiah was more energetic and up and coaching more than I can remember him at any point during this miserable season. It was as is Isiah was trying to show Walsh he can coach and he can squeeze some life out of this team of cadavers. As if Isiah was fighting for another chance to sit on the bench next year.
Walsh did say on Mike and Maddog that this team hasn't been tanking, but losing because it was playing the youth. This is a misinformed statement by Walsh and tells me he either hasn't been watching or has gotten bad information from someone. But I agree, BRIGGS, Walsh should instruct Isiah to play the youth extended minutes. Isiah said, after last night game that he is willing to do whatever he is asked to help the franchise. Spounds like BS, but thats what he said.
[Edited by - Uptown on 04-05-2008 12:09 PM]
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A man who demanded autonomy from Mills - and only wants to REPORT to Dolan not be instructed by Dolan - and wants full discretion on Isiah Thomas and any and all moves - and wants and got full control of the media policy as his to dictate and his alone...
IS NOT A YES MAN
Fellas, the only thing here, is that Dolan does not want to pay Isiah 18M to go away. He wants him to earn - at the least - one more year of it.
In that I'm sure Walsh was asked to see if there's any place to put Isiah where he'd still have to work - YET - Walsh would still have 100% control of the franchise meaning no matter what Isiah suggests - he can't do it - unless Walsh okay's it.
I wouldn't be all that concerned.
Walsh said he would not come here unless those three demands were met - and - they were met - which is why he is here.
The "YES MAN" era ended with Layden BTW as Isiah had complete autonomy of franchise moves himself. Isiah wasn't a yes man in that respect not in the least.
Totally agree with this post. I think there is a chance for Walsh to stash Isiah away in a cubicle somewhere in the bowels of MSG until another year falls off of his contract. But now that Walsh has made his rounds, and has spoken to numerous media outlets, its come to his attention how much Isiah is hated in this town and would be a detriment to the franchise moving forward. Kind of like a stain on a brand new white shirt. I think he realizes what he must do now.
[Edited by - Uptown on 04-05-2008 11:28 AM]
Yes I can see how much Donnie is 24/7 into his job when he is already back in Indiana and Isiah is treating the team like he was vying for the 8th seed 1/2 game out of it. I mean Donnie Walsh ALREADY knows what the main guys can do--wouldn't your first move IF you were in full charge be a mandate on the coach to play all of the young players good minutes? The OWNERS of the Sacramento Kings just came out in public and basically demanded Theus to play the young guys--wouldn't you want to see what you have with your unknown assets---- Unless you are not really in charge?
I dont disagree with that sentiment....Hell, I was screaming at my T.V. for Isiah to pull Craw, Zach and Nate and play Chandler, Balk, Morris and Mardy extended minutes. I dont know what is going on behind the scenes and it appears that Walsh hasn't instructed Isiah to play the youth most of the minutes. In fact, last night, Isiah was more energetic and up and coaching more than I can remember him at any point during this miserable season. It was as is Isiah was trying to show Walsh he can coach and he can squeeze some life out of this team of cadavers. As if Isiah was fighting for another chance to sit on the bench next year.
Walsh did say on Mike and Maddog that this team hasn't been tanking, but losing because it was playing the youth. This is a misinformed statement by Walsh and tells me he either hasn't been watching or has gotten bad information from someone. But I agree, BRIGGS, Walsh should instruct Isiah to play the youth extended minutes. Isiah said, after last night game that he is willing to do whatever he is asked to help the franchise. Spounds like BS, but thats what he said.
[Edited by - Uptown on 04-05-2008 12:09 PM]
What is the difference of having Walsh with Bird or Walsh with Isiah. I don't even know when the last time it was when Walsh was the princible. Unless Isiah is gone I do not believe that he is not the main guy. How many people would take 10-15mm $ to sit on his arse just to give IT a buffer? NOTHING I have seen leads me to believe IT is not fully in charge and will REMAIn that way. It quite obvious given that IT is doing whjat hew ants with the players--playing craford 48 minutes and not giving any minutes to many young players. EVERY team in the lottery has been playing 9-10 guys deep with good minutes-yet the Knicks don't. The only apparent answer is this is Isiah's team and will remain Isiah team--he will be the princible behind picks and trades with Donnie as a yes man and a new coach.
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This post smells like sevire depression ad pessamism lol
Briggs I know you watched the press conference and listened to walsh on wfan... so how on earth can u get the impression that this man is anything even close to a "yes man" when everything he has said to this point shows him to be totally honest up front and IN CONTROL.
You are too used to isiahs lies, dolans antics and dishonesty. Dolan has handed this franchise over. Prolly from david sterns orders.
Relax everyone. Pay attention to the mans charictor... it speaks for it self and u should be excited about it
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Briggs, i agree with you. If he is not completely removed from the organization anything walsh does after would be meet with extreme scepticism on my part.
Maybe it's the years of constant bs from dolan, isiah, etc. But the garden/knicks needs to earn my respect back. hiring walsh was a step in the right direction, firing isiah completely would go a long way
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This post smells like sevire depression ad pessamism lol
Briggs I know you watched the press conference and listened to walsh on wfan... so how on earth can u get the impression that this man is anything even close to a "yes man" when everything he has said to this point shows him to be totally honest up front and IN CONTROL.
You are too used to isiahs lies, dolans antics and dishonesty. Dolan has handed this franchise over. Prolly from david sterns orders.
Relax everyone. Pay attention to the mans charictor... it speaks for it self and u should be excited about it
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If Walsh retains Isiah in ANY capacity, it will definitely be viewed as if Walsh is just another Yes man and absolutely nothing has changed.
Walsh keeps talking about what a mess things are and need to be changed, so what sense does it make to keep around the guy that caused it all?
Keeping Isiah will show one of two things:
1) That Walsh doesn't have the autonomy that they made a big deal of showing at the press conference.
2) That Walsh isn't as smart as most of us think he is.
Personally, based on some of the things Walsh has said, I think he realizes that Isiah has to go in order for this franchise to really have a clean slate.
People keep saying that Isiah will be harmless if he's given a BS job somewhere in the organization. Do you really believe that? This guy does his most damage when he feels he can hide behind other people and do things behind the scenes. With Walsh as the front man, Isiah can go to Dolan and whisper in his ear whenever he wanted. Isiah would be sabotaging Walsh to Dolan and trying to take credit for everything Walsh will do.
The bottom line is nothing good can come from Isiah remaining in the organization and still having access to Dolan's ear. Don't be fooled into thinking otherwise.
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Isles wants to make the Isiah is fired thread so bad he could taste it.
Is it that obvious?
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A man who demanded autonomy from Mills - and only wants to REPORT to Dolan not be instructed by Dolan - and wants full discretion on Isiah Thomas and any and all moves - and wants and got full control of the media policy as his to dictate and his alone...
IS NOT A YES MAN
Fellas, the only thing here, is that Dolan does not want to pay Isiah 18M to go away. He wants him to earn - at the least - one more year of it.
In that I'm sure Walsh was asked to see if there's any place to put Isiah where he'd still have to work - YET - Walsh would still have 100% control of the franchise meaning no matter what Isiah suggests - he can't do it - unless Walsh okay's it.
I wouldn't be all that concerned.
Walsh said he would not come here unless those three demands were met - and - they were met - which is why he is here.
The "YES MAN" era ended with Layden BTW as Isiah had complete autonomy of franchise moves himself. Isiah wasn't a yes man in that respect not in the least.
Totally agree with this post. I think there is a chance for Walsh to stash Isiah away in a cubicle somewhere in the bowels of MSG until another year falls off of his contract. But now that Walsh has made his rounds, and has spoken to numerous media outlets, its come to his attention how much Isiah is hated in this town and would be a detriment to the franchise moving forward. Kind of like a stain on a brand new white shirt. I think he realizes what he must do now.
[Edited by - Uptown on 04-05-2008 11:28 AM]
Yes I can see how much Donnie is 24/7 into his job when he is already back in Indiana and Isiah is treating the team like he was vying for the 8th seed 1/2 game out of it. I mean Donnie Walsh ALREADY knows what the main guys can do--wouldn't your first move IF you were in full charge be a mandate on the coach to play all of the young players good minutes? The OWNERS of the Sacramento Kings just came out in public and basically demanded Theus to play the young guys--wouldn't you want to see what you have with your unknown assets---- Unless you are not really in charge?
Those are all good points. If you buy the hypothesis that Isiah wants to be fired, then maybe he's intentionally disregarding Walsh's instruction to play the young players. It's at least one possibility.
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Whenever a change is made , the former establishment is usually removed upon announcement of the change.
This has dolemite written all over it, he wants to retain Isiah Lord Thomas in some capacity.
JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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I've been thinking that Walsh really wants to sit down with Isiah and treat him with respect - something we all know Isiah doesn't deserve at this point. But that's the way Walsh works.
If that's not the case, and Walsh retains Isiah in any capacity, I will lose any faith I had in Walsh being able to promote change.
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I think he needs to feel the pain of the fans to truly understand how much damage Thomas did to the franchise on and off the court. Hopefully Walsh will tune in on Sunday to hear the resounding 'Fire Isiah'chants. Walsh has alot of connections including Stern and LB. Hopefully they will give him an earful.
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I think he needs to feel the pain of the fans to truly understand how much damage Thomas did to the franchise on and off the court. Hopefully Walsh will tune in on Sunday to hear the resounding 'Fire Isiah'chants. Walsh has alot of connections including Stern and LB. Hopefully they will give him an earful.
He's in Indiana this weekend. Supposedly he will be at the Garden on Wednesday to see the team in person for the first time.
I don't make a big deal about him going back to Indiana - the man must have some loose ends to tie up. He should take in the atmosphere at the Garden a few times though.
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The bottom line is he is in or he is out. He has had 4+ years of giving his *insight*. There is no big company in the world where you go from president of operations to meager assistant ANY IT input is failure to execute a change in management. Please do not take NY born and raised for idiots. There is no common ground here--in or out. And if he DOES stay in I can see the media and negativity of the fans becoming WORSE.
