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4/3/2008  9:44 PM
Judging from his PR, when he was asked about the players, Donnie kept saying that we have some good or talented players on the team (or smthing like that). Then he continued, and named a few. In my opinion, those who he named aren't the best, nor the most talented on the team so i think it was done to maybe send out some subconscience(sp) message to the other GM's and those guys are likely to get traded: Curry was the first one he mentioned, followed by Jeffries and Balkman. N8 was also mentioned. Not a word about Lee or Crawford and he talked about Zbo only when someone asked him, if i am not mistaken, but i could be wrong. The PR was a bit long and i only watched it once. Any thoughts on this?
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4/3/2008  10:05 PM
Obviously Lee and Crawford he recognizes as two players who've shown some poise. Nate is no surprise, because I think Walsh is gonna get rid of the attitude problems on this team first off. Jeffries surely has to go. Curry in my mind is the biggest isiah disaster of all of his moves.

I think Walsh should wait another year. Starbury and Rose will be off the books and he can start to clean house then with the rest of the losers on this team. I'd wait one season and I'd hire another coach to see if that make any difference.
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4/3/2008  10:12 PM
You mean you'd keep Isiah coaching for another year? Please tell me the reason why, i think he was a horrible coach, enough with the BS of how he was decent last year, he couldn't teach the guys to throw the ball to Curry and position themselves to receive an assist from him, let alone design plays with cuts to the basket or anything remotely resembling decent plays.
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4/3/2008  10:17 PM
Maybe I didn't make it clear enough.

I'd like Walsh to hire another coach for 'next season' to see if it made any difference with this particular team. After that, he can clean house.

Now what would be the point of that? If he starts to clean house next year and possibly buyout any of the contracts, then with another year under the players belt, the Knicks wouldn't be losing too much money. Plus, what if' another coach made a difference with a few of these players?

We're clearly not going anyewhere for a few years, so why not, if anyone dissagrees?
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4/3/2008  10:56 PM
I don't think Walsh will try to clean house. Everything he has said seems to suggest otherwise.

I think he will try to do something similar to what Colangelo has done with the Raptors. He'll try to make some smart trades and get this team back in the playoff hunt while trying to get under the cap in 2010. Hopefully we get a nice pick in the draft, that would be a huge step for us.

As far as trades go, I would expect something similar to what Dj suggested (trades like Jermaine O'Neal for Marbury, etc.).
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4/3/2008  11:20 PM
From whats been said he'll have to trade either Curry or Zach or Crawford to get under the cap. Does anyone know offhand what their contracts look like or maybe there are other ppl on the team that have a contract past 2010? Is there a place where i can look up the contracts of players?
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4/3/2008  11:43 PM
Posted by s3231:

I don't think Walsh will try to clean house. Everything he has said seems to suggest otherwise.

I think he will try to do something similar to what Colangelo has done with the Raptors. He'll try to make some smart trades and get this team back in the playoff hunt while trying to get under the cap in 2010. Hopefully we get a nice pick in the draft, that would be a huge step for us.

As far as trades go, I would expect something similar to what Dj suggested (trades like Jermaine O'Neal for Marbury, etc.).

You see, those are isiah type moves. For instance, a trade of starbury for O'Neal would'nt make much sense. You'll only be committing to yet another mediocre contract, with a few extra years on it, further locking up our chance for cap flex in a few years. Why would he do that again, something Layden and isiah instituted here? Doesn't make any sense.
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4/3/2008  11:50 PM
Posted by ramtour420:

From whats been said he'll have to trade either Curry or Zach or Crawford to get under the cap. Does anyone know offhand what their contracts look like or maybe there are other ppl on the team that have a contract past 2010? Is there a place where i can look up the contracts of players?

Zach is guaranteed for four more years, to 2010-11 and Curry is guaranteed through 2008-09, with two more years as a player option. Maybe he'll want out by 2008-09. If he stayed, when LeBron time came, if the Knicks want to open up that cap then they'll have to basically by out Zach and Curry for about 54 million. If Curry where to leave sooner, then the option would be down to about 33 million. I believe that's the right figure I came up with.

But you also have to keep in mind, that starbury and Rose are gone after next year. That's about 30 million freed up right there. Walsh can just sign a couple of young players or a couple of regulars to fill those spots, until LeBron time came. And you don't really have to buy out Zach and Curry at the same time either. You can buy out just one of them. Preferrably Curry, who can leave in two more seasons, if he wants to. That would be the best scenario.

This is where isiah REALLY' screwed us badly!

One place you can go to is www.hoopshype.com

[Edited by - 4949 on 04-03-2008 11:53 PM]
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4/3/2008  11:55 PM
ramtour - Forget what Donnie said in the press conference. If Donnie decides to pursue the trade route aggressively, then everyone on the current roster is expendable and the players with the best ratio of marketable talent to contract value and length are the prime candidates.

Walsh will trade the players with the most perceived value to receive equivalent value to fill his positions of preference (based on his history), center and lead guard. Not point guard - lead guard.

Translation: "David Lee, come on down! You're next on the Knicks Price Is Right!"

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4/4/2008  12:01 AM
Actually, in looking at LeBrons contract, he's in Cleveland guaranteed for three more years. So this is what Walsh can do. Let Curry and Zach stay the next three seasons (again, unless Curry leaves in two) and when the time comes for LeBron, dolan can buy out Curry and/or Zach, with the same results, but losing much less money than I figured above. That would be an even better result.

If Walsh trades these guys for someone else, it must not be a huge commitment. The contracts must not succeed past three more seasons. And that's even if we do' find some real quality talent out there. The prize and focus should be LeBron. He is the next big thing that's going to be on the market after three more seasons.

Can you imagine if we did' get Rose with a shot at LeBron in three more years? Damn!
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4/4/2008  12:05 AM
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"It was the less dramatic moves that showed Walsh’s gift for building a cohesive team. He once traded Detlef Schrempf for Derrick McKey, sacrificing scoring in favor of defense. He has always pursued steady, intelligent veterans, signing Sam Mitchell in 1992 and Byron Scott in 1993. He has generally made a high priority of coachability and high character."

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4/4/2008  12:26 AM
'high priority of coachability and high character'.

Yeah. Nothing wrong with that.

Anyone who buys into, who believes they cannot have anything, will have 'nothing'. This mind set has been done wtih Tim Duncan, Kobe Bryant and I'll be damned if it is gonna be done with LeBron now.
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4/4/2008  12:28 AM
Believe!
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4/4/2008  12:52 AM
why do people think when you buy a player out it doesn't count against the cap stop saying buy every off you still dont get cap flexability
first thing he has to do is find some moron to take zbo
as much as some of you think it cant be done it can
alot of the reasons trades couldn't get done in ny
or we were getting ripped is cause thomas is basically blackballed in the league forcing him to give more to get anything
having donny here should change that
i dont know if you guys notice it but theres a good old boys mentallity
with alot of the gms in this leaque
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4/4/2008  12:52 AM
Posted by 4949:
Posted by s3231:

I don't think Walsh will try to clean house. Everything he has said seems to suggest otherwise.

I think he will try to do something similar to what Colangelo has done with the Raptors. He'll try to make some smart trades and get this team back in the playoff hunt while trying to get under the cap in 2010. Hopefully we get a nice pick in the draft, that would be a huge step for us.

As far as trades go, I would expect something similar to what Dj suggested (trades like Jermaine O'Neal for Marbury, etc.).

You see, those are isiah type moves. For instance, a trade of starbury for O'Neal would'nt make much sense. You'll only be committing to yet another mediocre contract, with a few extra years on it, further locking up our chance for cap flex in a few years. Why would he do that again, something Layden and isiah instituted here? Doesn't make any sense.


Ummm...no actually, Jermaine only has one more year on his contract than Stephon does. That wouldn't be an Isiah move at all. Jermaine would actually help us considering we have no frontcourt defense and his contract would be done by the time that 2010 FA class comes. Walsh isn't stupid, he's going to try to make this team competitive WHILE trying to create cap flexibility for 2010.

You have to remember, Dolan is the owner here. I doubt he would let Walsh just tear it down and allow 3 more years of being an awful team. Hell, I doubt Walsh would want to do that because it doesn't seem like his style.

Personally, I would love to just tear it down, suck up the losing, and rebuild. However, I don't think we will do that at all. I still think Donnie is a hell of an executive though and I think he'll have us going in the right direction.
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4/4/2008  1:08 AM
Thanks for the info guys, this makes me feel better about our situation
I'll go check out hoopshype.com now, i was very curious about who was holding us down the most contract -wise.
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4/4/2008  3:24 AM
most likely will trade Marbs, Curry & will try like hell to trade Zach IMO
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4/4/2008  3:26 AM
He isn't trading Marbs because all that will get you is a long-term deal. More likely than not a buyout is coming for him and that's the best thing that can be done.

I'd say Crawford, Curry, and probably attempt to trade Randolph but fail.
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4/4/2008  3:28 AM
i think Dolan will push for any trade that improves the team & still doesn't add any longterm cap that will worsen the cap situation in 2011.
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4/4/2008  3:45 AM
I think Walsh is aiming more for 2010. Summer of 2010 is the goal. Summer of 2011 isn't really that great. LeBron James sweepstakes in 2010.
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