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Realistically we are way over the cap in 2010-2011
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BRIGGS
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4/2/2008  3:05 PM
Wew already owe 45mm to 4 players which would put us at 0 position to bring in a Lebron James for 20mm per the year he is a FA. I don't mind aiming for cap space but it is so far out 4 YEARS that we can think about it but I can't see how it is priority one.
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4/2/2008  3:10 PM
it isnt. What we need is to shed some of the bad contract and build up the pipeline of talent here.

I think there are also a lot of good role players that can be had with picks that are traded for financial considerations.
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4/2/2008  3:14 PM
See if you can sucker someone into taking Zach if you offer Lee too.

Zach is what kills our cap through 2011.

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4/2/2008  3:19 PM
How about this deal:

Zach + JJ1 + JJ2 to Cleveland for Ben Wallace + Snow (expiring) + Joe Smith (expiring)

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4/2/2008  3:20 PM
Or just Zach for Eric Snow and Joe Smith.
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4/2/2008  3:22 PM
Having cap flexibility and being under the cap by 20mil isn't nessessarly the same thing.

As long as the majority of your roster is movable, you have cap flexibility. You can be 10mil over the cap and still have cap flexibility. Pistons and Spurs both are over the cap but both have flexible cap situations. Everyone on the Pistons & Spurs are moveable.

Also not being locked into maxed out longterm contracts unless its a bonified superstar.

I think they will pursue Lebron but I don't think he is the #1 priority. I think that Walsh wants to be in position to have the flexability to be able to go after him when that time frame comes. If he so chooses. As well as the flexibility to go after other players or just build a good team on his own. Thats the beauty of flexibility. You create options.
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4/2/2008  3:22 PM
Posted by eViL:

How about this deal:

Zach + JJ1 + JJ2 to Cleveland for Ben Wallace + Snow (expiring) + Joe Smith (expiring)

LeBron will really want to leave Cleveland if he's forced to play with Zach. He'll go crazy watching Zach throw up contested shots before he gets a chance to touch the ball.
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4/2/2008  3:23 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by eViL:

How about this deal:

Zach + JJ1 + JJ2 to Cleveland for Ben Wallace + Snow (expiring) + Joe Smith (expiring)

LeBron will really want to leave Cleveland if he's forced to play with Zach. He'll go crazy watching Zach throw up contested shots before he gets a chance to touch the ball.

Yeah, it's like a two pronged attack. We get cap space and we force LeBron out. But in selling the deal to Cleveland, you try to convince them that LeBron would keep Zach in check.
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4/2/2008  3:40 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Wew already owe 45mm to 4 players which would put us at 0 position to bring in a Lebron James for 20mm per the year he is a FA. I don't mind aiming for cap space but it is so far out 4 YEARS that we can think about it but I can't see how it is priority one.

You pair your assets with the trash(including those 4 players)and hope you can unload them. They key is to get rid of Curry and Zach well before 2010. Now of course if you have Curry on your mind as part of the rebuild along with a few other bums and on the books well of course it looks like we'll never have any cap space. For those who thought we could stay the course and get rid of Zach only while letting some of the other fodder phase out yes we still wouldn't have enough space free to go after Lebron, considering we'd have to take care of a couple young players while still feilding a team and filling out the roster. But if we do a full rebuild by gutting the roster, while assembling a couple rental players(vets), along with picks and NBDL/Euro talent, we can position ourselves to be players 2-3yrs down the road.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 04-02-2008 2:41 PM]
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4/2/2008  4:11 PM
Your not moving Zach. You can easily find a team that is willing to take on Curry and Crawford and thats 20 million right there. If Cleveland goes out early this year and Lebron starts to complain I think moving zach and Crawford to Cleveland for expiring is very doable and something they would have to look into.

Crawford, Lebron, Wally, Zach, Big Z is a lot better than what they have and there is a good chance they will lose lebron, even moving him for big z would work
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4/2/2008  4:52 PM
Posted by eViL:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by eViL:

How about this deal:

Zach + JJ1 + JJ2 to Cleveland for Ben Wallace + Snow (expiring) + Joe Smith (expiring)

LeBron will really want to leave Cleveland if he's forced to play with Zach. He'll go crazy watching Zach throw up contested shots before he gets a chance to touch the ball.

Yeah, it's like a two pronged attack. We get cap space and we force LeBron out. But in selling the deal to Cleveland, you try to convince them that LeBron would keep Zach in check.

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4/2/2008  5:00 PM
Posted by MS:

Your not moving Zach. You can easily find a team that is willing to take on Curry and Crawford and thats 20 million right there. If Cleveland goes out early this year and Lebron starts to complain I think moving zach and Crawford to Cleveland for expiring is very doable and something they would have to look into.

Crawford, Lebron, Wally, Zach, Big Z is a lot better than what they have and there is a good chance they will lose lebron, even moving him for big z would work


I said move Zach before 2010. Donnie's first priority will more than likely be moving him this off-season. The key is to not screw up our situation 2-3yrs from now when he does.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 04-02-2008 4:14 PM]
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4/2/2008  5:02 PM
it does sound to me that walsh's frame of mind is to collect assets (this time w/ a plan in mind) and make a big splash (see danny ainge).
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4/2/2008  6:35 PM
This is not including guys like Lee Crawford or Nate asking for big extensions--think about that and do the numbers--some people are going to have to go. Can they realistically get rid of Zach---$-$ I tell you he's a good player but I wouldnt bet on it. Were stuck with Curry[who will opt in] Zach Jefferies [who will opt in]--i dont know what they want to do about crawford--hes going to be at 10 and he may ask for 6 years 70mm$
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4/2/2008  6:49 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

This is not including guys like Lee Crawford or Nate asking for big extensions--think about that and do the numbers--some people are going to have to go. Can they realistically get rid of Zach---$-$ I tell you he's a good player but I wouldnt bet on it. Were stuck with Curry[who will opt in] Zach Jefferies [who will opt in]--i dont know what they want to do about crawford--hes going to be at 10 and he may ask for 6 years 70mm$

Walsh helped Bird or was a part of trading crazy Artest, Al Harrington after he received a huge contract, Stephen Jackson when he was crazy, Jalen Rose when his contract had plenty yrs left on it. Walsh wouldn't have accepted a position such as this if he didn't truly think he could pull off his vision. He may not be able to unload all but he'll unload quite a bit. We just have to realize we won't get back the kind of returns we gave up to acquire these players.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 04-02-2008 5:50 PM]
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4/2/2008  9:18 PM
I am not really interested in getting rid of the few assets we have in lee, jamal, nate, balkman, etc, simply for cap space. We have an owner who is willing to spend money, and if that is done correctly, that is not necessarily a bad thing. There is no guarantee a superstar would come here, especially if this team totally sucks, and especially with the nets invading the new york market.

I'd much rather trade jamal for picks and a similar contracted player with less talent in order to get more young players. We already have one great shot at a high pick this year, and a likely high shot at a pick next year. Lee, nate, balkman(all very young) can complement these players. I think this is especially true, because guys like nate and lee have shown the propensity to improve their game in the offseason. At the moment, I would predict there value is going to go up in the future. We wouldn't be getting as much as we could for them.
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4/2/2008  10:38 PM
Posted by Cash:

I am not really interested in getting rid of the few assets we have in lee, jamal, nate, balkman, etc, simply for cap space. We have an owner who is willing to spend money, and if that is done correctly, that is not necessarily a bad thing. There is no guarantee a superstar would come here, especially if this team totally sucks, and especially with the nets invading the new york market.

I'd much rather trade jamal for picks and a similar contracted player with less talent in order to get more young players. We already have one great shot at a high pick this year, and a likely high shot at a pick next year. Lee, nate, balkman(all very young) can complement these players. I think this is especially true, because guys like nate and lee have shown the propensity to improve their game in the offseason. At the moment, I would predict there value is going to go up in the future. We wouldn't be getting as much as we could for them.

The hard part of this is--I like Lee--I DO NOT want to trade Lee--but Lee--to me represents the BEST value on the whole team. I think Jamal has brought his value up along with Nate but none more so than Lee because right now he makes a little over a mm $. The fact is Lee is WORTH more than the MLE and if there are multiple teams with good cap space David Lee is going to get a fat contract offer IMHO. The Knicks have to weigh this possibility--where some team might overpay to the tune of 9-10mm per[because you always overpay in FA] If we start paying Lee that 9-10mm along with potentially Crawgord and with what is on the books[how can we speculate getting rid of zach unless we
a. take on the same or close$$$
b. give up our lottery pick in conjuction with trading him out

The problem here is we have 3 frontcourt players who do not defend well---I do not believe that they can co-exsist.

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4/3/2008  3:09 AM
who needs Lebron when u have a switch it up, fake right but he's actually shooting left, youthier player... they scared now son!
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