Yeah I'd much rather trade down and get

Robin +

then

Brook with the 3rd

Stanford player. Un-athletic. My spidey sense is tingling on this one. Pass.

Posted by djsunyc:

lopez has slow reaction time. nice player but i think spencer hawes will be better and he went 10th.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 03-29-2008 7:03 PM]

Agreed. He isn't a great defender by any stretch and as someone pointed out, shooting 46% against mostly undersized defenders in college isn't a good look. He's a bit robotic at times.

[Edited by - bigbeast on 29-03-2008 7:41 PM]

Posted by BRIGGS:

Even Isiah Channing Frye number 1 pick Thomas could not fck this draft up top 3.

I wouldn't give him the chance.

Posted by daddynel:

BRIGGS, i'm sure it's just wishfull thinking on your part, but we ain't pickin' 3rd dude. i'm pullin' for you though.

If Brook is there and we pass on him, I won't be letting this one go either.

Just to give a statistical basis for my hesitancy to buy into the theroy that Lopez is a step up over everyone but Beasley and Rose, I'd like to post some college numbers for Lopez and Frye before their respective drafts.

1) Lopez collected 8.1 boards vs Frye's 7.6. Lopez is a little better, but we all know how bad Frye is on the boards.
2) Lopez scored 19.6 ppg @ 46.8%. Frye scored 15.8 ppg @ 55.4%. Pick your poison.
3) Lopez had 2.1 blocks pg, to Frye's 2.3. We all know what a dominant shot blocker Channing Frye is.

Now to Lopez's credit, he put up these numbers as a soph. The only numbers I could find for Frye were as a senior. But on the other hand we're talking about using the third pick for Lopez. We got Frye with the 8th pick.

The fact is, Lopez is a decent player, but he doesn't deserve to be put in the same category as Beasley and Rose, and he isn't a step above the rest. He certainly isn't anywhere close to Tim Duncan.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=4971
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=31765

Posted by Ira:

Just to give a statistical basis for my hesitancy to buy into the theroy that Lopez is a step up over everyone but Beasley and Rose, I'd like to post some college numbers for Lopez and Frye before their respective drafts.

1) Lopez collected 8.1 boards vs Frye's 7.6. Lopez is a little better, but we all know how bad Frye is on the boards.
2) Lopez scored 19.6 ppg @ 46.8%. Frye scored 15.8 ppg @ 55.4%. Pick your poison.
3) Lopez had 2.1 blocks pg, to Frye's 2.3. We all know what a dominant shot blocker Channing Frye is.

Now to Lopez's credit, he put up these numbers as a soph. The only numbers I could find for Frye were as a senior. But on the other hand we're talking about using the third pick for Lopez. We got Frye with the 8th pick.

The fact is, Lopez is a decent player, but he doesn't deserve to be put in the same category as Beasley and Rose, and he isn't a step above the rest. He certainly isn't anywhere close to Tim Duncan.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=4971
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=31765

No one's close to Duncan. No one's saying that. I think I mentioned him having long arms like Dunc, but that's it. Your analogy between Frye and Brook is a little off, since you forgot to mention that Brook is a legit Center and Frye is a forward. Big difference and not sure what your point is.

I think we all agree that we either need a great guard, or a center and I don't see any other centers being ranked next to Brook. Although, I do see Brook being a little slow in the few contests I saw him in. But why is he ranked so high? He's still a big kid and can be looked at as a rookie for us to evealuate him more, before the Knicks made a long term deal with him. That's the beauty of having rookies and not signing big long term contracts to un-established people like Curry who many could see was gonna be a big waste of time. The only real two super guards are Rose and Mr. Beasley. If we dont' get either, then I'll want a center on this team.

And keep in mind, Brook is still' only 19 years old for another day. And at least he played two years of organized college ball. If we can't get Rose or Mr. Beasley, then we're not gonna get much from anyone else anyway.

Posted by Ira:

Just to give a statistical basis for my hesitancy to buy into the theroy that Lopez is a step up over everyone but Beasley and Rose, I'd like to post some college numbers for Lopez and Frye before their respective drafts.

1) Lopez collected 8.1 boards vs Frye's 7.6. Lopez is a little better, but we all know how bad Frye is on the boards.
2) Lopez scored 19.6 ppg @ 46.8%. Frye scored 15.8 ppg @ 55.4%. Pick your poison.
3) Lopez had 2.1 blocks pg, to Frye's 2.3. We all know what a dominant shot blocker Channing Frye is.

Now to Lopez's credit, he put up these numbers as a soph. The only numbers I could find for Frye were as a senior. But on the other hand we're talking about using the third pick for Lopez. We got Frye with the 8th pick.

The fact is, Lopez is a decent player, but he doesn't deserve to be put in the same category as Beasley and Rose, and he isn't a step above the rest. He certainly isn't anywhere close to Tim Duncan.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=4971
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=31765

Ira, I was thinking the same thing about Lopez. His low rebounding numbers remind me of Frye. From everything I am hearing, he is a little better rebounder and defender than Frye, but the statistics are telling. He does play with another 7 footer, so that might hurt his rebounds slightly, but I think any quality 7 foot center should be grabbing at least 9.5 rebounds, if you expect that he is going to be a solid rebounder in the pros. I would trade down before taking Lopez at 3.

While I agree that Lopez is better than Frye, he's not that much better. He's also not much better (if at all) than Kevin Love. If he is better than other candidates at the third pick, it's more by default. We may end up with Lopez, but if we do, I wouldn't expect a whole lot from that pick. This is a two player draft as far as the top of the lottery is concerned and Brook Lopez isn't either of the two.