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Toronto kinda slumping....is it because of TJ and Calderon
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EnySpree
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3/27/2008  2:10 PM
I think it's time for one guy to win the job........Calderon was running the team to perfection @ a 38 minute clip when TJ went down.....now he is down to 28 mins.

Don't get me wrong....cuz TJ is an awesome point guard too, but yo......you need to have one lead guy. I think when you split time with two great point guards like that you screw with momentum, especially in tough games.

I say they trade one.....it doesn't have to be the Knicks but why not......Thoughts?
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3/27/2008  2:13 PM
As long as they beat the Knicks tomorrow, I don't care what is going on with them. I know Calderon gave up his starting spot to Ford voluntarily to change the chemistry of the team since they had lost 6 of 7 prior to their win against Detroit last night. Calderon is the ultimate pro.
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3/27/2008  2:21 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

As long as they beat the Knicks tomorrow, I don't care what is going on with them. I know Calderon gave up his starting spot to Ford voluntarily to change the chemistry of the team since they had lost 6 of 7 prior to their win against Detroit last night. Calderon is the ultimate pro.

He's also the ultimate free agent, no?
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3/27/2008  2:22 PM
I don't think they can rely on TJ at this point so I don't see them making a move. What could the knicks possibly give up. Would they take Crawford for Calderon? I doubt it
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3/27/2008  2:25 PM
TJ Ford has issues with health....that spinal injury was really soft. He went out in a stretcher....I thought I was never gonna see that dude again....then he comes back in the same season on top of his game.

I dunno......He makes just a little less than Eddy Curry. Toronto could use a true low post scorer. They like to platoon players so Curry could platoon with Bargani.....I'm just throwing that out there.

Knicks need leadership....TJ Ford is a top notch point guard. With Nate on the roster still, TJ could start and the Knicks would still have Lil' Nate to spot start if need be.
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3/27/2008  2:28 PM
Somebody did a TJ Ford vs. Calderon mix.....right on cue



[Edited by - enyspree on 27-03-2008 2:28 PM]
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3/27/2008  2:29 PM
toronto went 2-8 without bosh (out with the knee problem). he's that important to that team...otherwise it's just a roster of role players.

they made a lineup change last night - started tj + rasho again and moved jose + bargs to the bench. (basically started the same unit they had last year when they won 47 games). it worked as they beat detroit.

but reading their papers, and seeing how things are portrayed, it does look tj will get traded this summer. one of them was going to be traded by the next deadline, but it's almost 100% definite it will be tj.

i would like to see them move tj + expiring + pick in a deal for arenas.
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3/27/2008  2:30 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

I dunno......He makes just a little less than Eddy Curry. Toronto could use a true low post scorer. They like to platoon players so Curry could platoon with Bargani.....I'm just throwing that out there.

there is no way in hell eddy fits in toronto.

bargs has been a major dissapointment. i think he gets 1 more chance or he gets moved.
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3/27/2008  2:34 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by GKFv2:

As long as they beat the Knicks tomorrow, I don't care what is going on with them. I know Calderon gave up his starting spot to Ford voluntarily to change the chemistry of the team since they had lost 6 of 7 prior to their win against Detroit last night. Calderon is the ultimate pro.

He's also the ultimate free agent, no?

jose is staying. he's been asking them for 2 weeks but the coaching staff and colangelo said no until yesterday. clear indication that it's his spot next year.

maybe they can move tj for granger?
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3/27/2008  2:38 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by GKFv2:

As long as they beat the Knicks tomorrow, I don't care what is going on with them. I know Calderon gave up his starting spot to Ford voluntarily to change the chemistry of the team since they had lost 6 of 7 prior to their win against Detroit last night. Calderon is the ultimate pro.

He's also the ultimate free agent, no?

jose is staying. he's been asking them for 2 weeks but the coaching staff and colangelo said no until yesterday. clear indication that it's his spot next year.

maybe they can move tj for granger?

TJ for Granger would have to involve some other players as you already now Master. They are in need of a point guard since they now have Flip Murray starting for them......Flip Murray needs to be a Knick btw......Bird has a hard on for Diener though.

[Edited by - enyspree on 27-03-2008 2:41 PM]
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3/27/2008  3:29 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

toronto went 2-8 without bosh (out with the knee problem). he's that important to that team...otherwise it's just a roster of role players.

they made a lineup change last night - started tj + rasho again and moved jose + bargs to the bench. (basically started the same unit they had last year when they won 47 games). it worked as they beat detroit.

but reading their papers, and seeing how things are portrayed, it does look tj will get traded this summer. one of them was going to be traded by the next deadline, but it's almost 100% definite it will be tj.

i would like to see them move tj + expiring + pick in a deal for arenas.


I love this idea DJ, T.J. has always been somewhat of a Diva his whole career while at the same time wants this sympathy due to his condition. You can't have it both ways T.J. You can't act like an Egomaniac with a punk attitude on the court then when you have a spill on the court you want all this compassion. I hope they trade him I don't like his attitude but I wish no harm on the guy.
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3/27/2008  3:43 PM
Jose Calderon is not a playoff primetime player that TJ Ford is. I guess Calderon is the safe pick with TJ's injuries.

They can let TJ go if they want to, but when bosh was struggling in the playoffs it was TJ Ford carrying the team not calderon.

As a matter of fact, calderon could not execute a simple entry lob pass to bosh when bosh has sealed RJ in the post with seconds left on the clock and the raps lost the series to the Nets .

I like Jose Calderon but he hasn't shown me he can produce in a frantic playoff atmosphere. Well will see.
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3/27/2008  4:01 PM
and bosh will struggle again this year. he's not aggressive enough mentally and can get rattled. tj is the only guy they have with a killer mentality. so if they're gonna trade him, they have to replace his moxy and penetration ability.
Toronto kinda slumping....is it because of TJ and Calderon

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