Posted by toodarkmark:

Briggs: I am not a fan of the war and I am not a fan of Hillary Clinton voting for it. She has never been apologetic for her actions, and if the majority of Democrats were positive about the war, she would vote for it again.

Wealthy oil barons and militray-industrialists were voted in. The economy is in ruins but the wealthy are living better than ever. A poor economy creates more soilders, and more serfs for that matter.

You get what you paid for.

Posted by 4949:

Posted by Cash:

I am not in favor of universal healthcare, but it is not an issue that will kill me if it goes through. I think we need to make healthcare more affordable for average americans. I'm pretty sure we can do that by limiting things like puntive damages and pain and suffering in medical malpractice cases. This sucks for the average joe that gets injured(although they are still getting something), but the system has to give somewhere. Doctors already have an incentive not to commit med mal, and we just can't afford to be giving millions of dollars to victims when there are tons of people who are not getting insurance, and foregoing prevention, which is increasing costs. I also think there are other things we can do, but that is an issue for another day.

When a person gets hurt, they should be covered to get better. If they want to start trouble, then throw them back onto the streets and let them compare to what they had and what they don't have. I think our society is just too dummied down to think common sense anymore. Believe it or not, there was a time when the system actually worked and the Government was willing to help people help themselves. Now everything is about 'how much can I get'. I feel bad for those who would welcome universal health care, because peanuts just don't work for when you really' need help. I consider myself very lucky and never take it for granted.

Posted by arkrud:

Posted by 4949:

Posted by toodarkmark:

Briggs: I am not a fan of the war and I am not a fan of Hillary Clinton voting for it. She has never been apologetic for her actions, and if the majority of Democrats were positive about the war, she would vote for it again.

Wealthy oil barons and militray-industrialists were voted in. The economy is in ruins but the wealthy are living better than ever. A poor economy creates more soilders, and more serfs for that matter.

You get what you paid for.

The only reason this thread was made was for political argument only.

I have no words... just listen:

Posted by Cash:

Posted by 4949:

Posted by Cash:

I am not in favor of universal healthcare, but it is not an issue that will kill me if it goes through. I think we need to make healthcare more affordable for average americans. I'm pretty sure we can do that by limiting things like puntive damages and pain and suffering in medical malpractice cases. This sucks for the average joe that gets injured(although they are still getting something), but the system has to give somewhere. Doctors already have an incentive not to commit med mal, and we just can't afford to be giving millions of dollars to victims when there are tons of people who are not getting insurance, and foregoing prevention, which is increasing costs. I also think there are other things we can do, but that is an issue for another day.

When a person gets hurt, they should be covered to get better. If they want to start trouble, then throw them back onto the streets and let them compare to what they had and what they don't have. I think our society is just too dummied down to think common sense anymore. Believe it or not, there was a time when the system actually worked and the Government was willing to help people help themselves. Now everything is about 'how much can I get'. I feel bad for those who would welcome universal health care, because peanuts just don't work for when you really' need help. I consider myself very lucky and never take it for granted.

A large part of my problem with universal healthcare is that health is really a complicated issuem and so is the science behind it. Doctors don't know as much about the way the body works as most people think they do. They are mostly trained to understand that if you have condition A and B, then we can give you remedy C. But, alot of this stuff is really complicated and doctors are just doing the best they can. But, a lot of these remedies are expensive, and they aren't necessarily going to work. For example, I have a problem with my foot which I have had numerous doctors for(on healthcare and off) for which they have not solved. I have spent a ton of money on this. Health is just really complicated and we can't afford to spend a ton of money on it, when we could be spending that money elsewhere. There is no guarantee of health, nor has there ever been. People get sick, and a lot of the time doctors don't know why.

I don't think we can afford it.

The actual 'health care' is complicated everywhere. Even in countries that have universal health care. Their not all perfect, but the whole point is the coverage of people who cannot afford it. So they don't get thrown out of their houses, just because they didnt' have the money to get proper care and can't go back to work. Thats' the real problem with our health care. But getting the right doctor or right advice to heal properly is another problem in itself.

And that's not what universal health care is all about. Getting everyone covered is the first thing. The other part of it will have to be worked out as time goes on. Other countries do it and from what we hear, they have developed great health care for their people. In some countries it isn't even a question. Hell, in this country, you can get sick from the stress of just worrying about it.

I saw an article on Motumbo earlier on this board and it reminds us that he took his own' money and built a hospital!! How's that for universal health care? Did he complain about what it would cost? Nope! That's the problem with a system like ours. People worry too much about cost and money. People are conditioned to hang onto the old ways, the old worries about who's gonna pay for it, when all of the people who instituted these programs and systems in the first place, they are all dead!!! So we can all let go now. We have nothing to fear from those poeple anymore. We can now help everyone now, if we'd just put down our greediness and invest into people's health and education, rather than just keep beating on the same old door, pleading and worrying about something that can be so simple.

Now this' is a real issue and better yet, it's at home! If you wanna talk politics then make all three of Obama, Hillary and McCain accountable for what we should be doing, rather than digging up ****ing dirt on each other in trying to win people over that way. Otherwise, I'm not gonna have anymore of it! I say talk about real issues or don't talk at all.